Epic Combat: Can you beat Mister Trigger?

[The White Drake]

23 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

So... what about the clones? If you touch it to one of them, do the others disappear?

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also is there a backstory behind it I'm fully invested now

 

It will injure the one it touches, and kill with prolonged exposure, but it won’t propagate to the other three. Kill all four with phones and he won’t reincarnate.

To be honest, I haven’t given much thought to that particular part of his backstory. He’s the kind of guy to live in the present, and I suppose that spilled over when I RPd him. It has to do with internet toxicity (but even that I’m coming up with just now).

Edit: I think it might help the discussion if I copy paste one of his fights so one can really see how he battles. It’ll be annoying to do though so I’ll get it up later tonight.

Edited Monday at 09:19 PM by The White Drake

[Aeoryi she/her]

3 minutes ago, The White Drake said:

It will injure the one it touches, and kill with prolonged exposure, but it won’t propagate to the other three. Kill all four with phones and he won’t reincarnate.

To be honest, I haven’t given much thought to that particular part of his backstory. He’s the kind of guy to live in the present, and I suppose that spilled over when I RPd him. It has to do with internet toxicity (but even that I’m coming up with just now).

Edit: I think it might help the discussion if I copy paste one of his fights so one can really see how he battles. It’ll be annoying to do though so I’ll get it up later tonight.

interesting, most epics have all of their powers negated with their weakness because they become an ordinary person. Cool backstory though.

[The White Drake]

7 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

interesting, most epics have all of their powers negated with their weakness because they become an ordinary person. Cool backstory though.

Well with Mitosis it only collapsed the clones it contacted until it hit critical mass, then straight killed him. MT also has no core self so I figured it would work the same (as well as neutralizing the other powers of each clone it met of course).

Edited Monday at 09:29 PM by The White Drake

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, The White Drake said:

Well with Mitosis it only collapsed the clones it contacted until it hit critical mass. MT also has no core self so I figured it would work the same (as well as neutralizing the other powers of each clone it met of course).

I don't think mitosis was able to store a clone somewhere else so that he could come back, though. I got the impression his clones were a temporary thing that didn't last longer than he had concentration for

 

[The White Drake]

3 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

I don't think mitosis was able to store a clone somewhere else so that he could come back, though. I got the impression his clones were a temporary thing that didn't last longer than he had concentration for

 

I was under the impression he did, and didn’t see a concentration limit. David says enough of them suffering the music all at once transmitted it to all of them everywhere.

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 minute ago, The White Drake said:

I was under the impression he did, and didn’t see a concentration limit. David says enough of them suffering the music all at once transmitted it to all of them everywhere.

the clones did melt though at the music so like by the same logic the guy's body doubles should too I guess?

[The White Drake]

5 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

the clones did melt though at the music so like by the same logic the guy's body doubles should too I guess?

Not sure what you’re saying. Phones do kill MT. He just doesn’t have enough bodies to wind up with the ‘so many die from it it transmits’ effect.

[The White Drake]

7 hours ago, The White Drake said:

Edit: I think it might help the discussion if I copy paste one of his fights so one can really see how he battles. It’ll be annoying to do though so I’ll get it up later tonight.

Got it. This is a portion of another fight, when one MT split off to duel Contemplation, a telekinetic with an intangibility PI. His learned power is making huge jumps/falls (based off flight), and its early in the RP so he hasn’t fully developed his techniques, but this should offer better understanding of how he fights. Spoiler for length.

Spoiler

Contemplation is walking toward the door as two others move outside, watching for sniper fire as they emerge. 4 whips back his cloak, glowing sword appearing, and stabs him from behind. Contemplation looks surprised as the  sword passes through him without effect. Then his telekinesis slams backwards in a wave, tossing 4 away. A normal person would have quite a few bruises from that as contemplation spins around.

4 reacts quickly, ducking away from counterattack. Not fast enough against a wave, though. He lands on his feet a distance away.

4 is revealed, since rapid motion makes it obvious something is there. He lets the cloak go. Contemplation smiles and tries to grab him with telekinesis and smash him into the wall. He is shoved back, but braces himself against the wall with one hand and manifests a gun, a big one. He fires, and the blast engulfs Contemplation in smoke, hiding him for a moment.

Contemplation looks amused as the blast passes through him completely unaffecting him. Around him, guns left by the Rival's vanilla soldiers when they fled lift off the ground, and several open fire on four, though the telekinetic force holding four releases him. But when the smoke clears from his vision, 4 isn't there.

Contemplating looks around, then turns and walks toward the battle outside. 4 bursts from behind an airplane, leveling his weapon at point-blank: A vacuum. With a flip of a switch, it tries to suck Contemplation in. Unfortunately for him, Contemplation is not a gaseous intangible. 4's weapon lifts out of his hand and smashes him in the face followed by the floating guns firing at him. He jumps back, a shield appearing to block the gunfire.

4's feet are grabbed and pulled out from under him, but Mister Trigger has fought telekinetics before. He catches himself on a shield with his hands and rocket boots suddenly blast him straight through Contemplation, to his other side where he cannot see, and he lands on his feet.

Contemplation spins around, spinning his guns as well, but he is slower than Mister Trigger. Mister Trigger's glowing blade passes through his eyes, particularly bright, blinding him and leaving spots in his vision.

Completion looks annoyed, launching another telekinetic wave. 4 jump impossibly high, avoiding it, and lands behind him again before he can clear his eyes. Raising two guns, he places them in Contemplation's ears, and fires on their loudest setting, multiple times.

Contemplation flinches, and the guns yank towards each other hard enough to crush them both. Then they smash backwards, Contemplation looks mad as he spins around again.

4 leaps back again, grinning, an raises his hands to both sides. Glowing bullets appear above them. Self-firing design. They go off with bangs Contemplation can barely hear, shooting upwards.

They are yanked from the air, thrown at MT with telekinesis. He lets them vanish once Contemplation grabs them and dashes to the side, looking for cover. He ducks behind a plane and a moment later bullets fly forth from it at Contemplation.

Behind him, several chunks of debris fly at him at high speeds. If he didn't have enhanced durability, such blows would crush him, as they include half a car engine. Contemplation to his view looks to just be standing there, since the attacks come from behind. They strike the plane, hitting nothing. Contemplation, from his position, cannot see the result. Contemplation looks annoyed, walking straight through the plane.

He finds a shield floating in the air, alone. To the side another one sits at a different angle. Both work like mirrors. He can see Mister Trigger in the second. Bullets shoot from behind some boxes, strike the first mirror, bounce off and fly at Contemplation.

He growls, hurling debris at the second, then turns as he realizes it's a reflection, looking for the boxes he can see in the reflection. Mister Trigger leaps from them, bounding off a small platform he makes in the air. He's grabbed midair as Contemplation follows his path up, then slammed towards the wall so that he has nothing to grab. A black shield appears between them mid-toss, block Contemplation's view and therefore, for some telekinetics, cutting his hold. Not this one though. Contemplation's hold doesn't loosen, continuing to hurl him at the wall, but he steps to the side to try and get a view.

4 hits the wall with a grunt, then a sword appears in his hand and he stabs it backward, cutting through the wall and the enemy Epic's own push shoving him through to the outside. Contemplation gets a view on him as he's pulled out, and quickly goes to pull him back inside. Then the telekinetic force on him vanishes, Contemplation looking annoyed. Debris rises around him again, ready to throw.

A moment later four breaks through the wall again, higher up, among the catwalks. He runs among them, firing down and using the catwalks themselves as cover. Contemplation drops the debris after considering for a few seconds as bullets pound through him uselessly. Then the catwalks snaps up at MT, torn apart as he runs on them to try and impale him with the jagged wood. He anticipated such, and leaps to the next section as it rips itself apart, but thr next section tears apart before he even arrives, contemplation having anticipated this in turn. Wood from ahead and behind rushes at him in a storm. Contemplation smiles, thinking that he's won.

MT throws up shields, but takes hits despite that. On the plus side, all that debris blocks Contemplation's view from grabbing him directly. Whipping out his sword and broadening it, he slashes through, landing on another section of catwalk and not slowing his motion, despite the light leaking from where wood shards stick from him. Some more bullets come down at Contemplation, but less. Then lights start shattering.

With the glowing ones at Contemplation to distract, 4 also fires darker, duller ones, harder to see, breaking fixture after fixture.

Contemplation frown, reassessing the situation, then growls in annoyance. That was a smart move. Well, nothing else to do in here. This enemy is too dodgy and clever. He walks towards the nearest hangar wall, then through it. He took a few seconds before doing so, however. So this fight has delayed him for quite a while.

4: "Telekinetic intangible coming out now. I delayed him as long as I could."

 

 

 

Edit: Anyone know how to merge posts?

Edited yesterday at 04:18 AM by The White Drake

[Dragyn9]

Hi hello, another player from where mister trigger is from and I have some thoughts on fighting him as well, (even though I've only been through one fight as of yet) some quick backstory though. I joined the rp nearer to the start (it had already had some traction but it was just getting started) and when I joined and for the first like... 5 months I had no idea it was connected to the any of sandersons works (due to me only having read mistborne at the time...) but I play a few character in the RP and the one to fight him was a character I had adopted from a different member called zero

(His abilities: Super strength, Enhanced speed, Extreme reflexes, Epic tracker:(Strong) tracks all epics he has encountered based on their strength or usefulness onto a bracket based on numbers, depending on who he's fighting and where they are on the epic tracker he gains Strength, Mechanized armor: gives regeneration, weapons, high durability, ect) 

Some of his stuff isn't listed but that's generally it, he's another epic with high proficiency for fighting others, his main goal to be the  villain of the people (because of all the heroes/epics are evil then being the villain is good)

and this was a mock duel between the two(five?) mt had some backup but overall was a monster to fight, I think in total zero was able to take out 1 maybe 2 copies before getting taken out? And even then was a mix of luck and quick thinking, the amped bullets plus there being four of him really made the difference thought against a said brawler epic. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Dragyn9

[Asriel]

Out of curiosity, how would MT handle Epics with powers that have to do with emotional states, such as Steelheart's transmutation ability? 

[The White Drake]

1 minute ago, Asriel said:

Out of curiosity, how would MT handle Epics with powers that have to do with emotional states, such as Steelheart's transmutation ability? 

… that doesn’t have to do with emotion. Unless you mean that he uses it when mad.

Can you extrapolate?

[Asriel]

My understanding is that power specifically is stronger when he was feeling strong emotions. I may be incorrect about that.

According to the Coppermind:
"When angry, Steelheart spontaneously transforms non-living matter around him to solid steel, spreading out from him in a sphere. Steel and iron have the ability to "insulate" against the transfersion, but other metals are transformed to steel. As this ability is tied to his emotions, he sometimes uses it without intent. This power has a radius of about four miles." (empahsis added)
I think this is what I was thinking of.

But say there was a theoretical Epic whose power strength was tied directly to the strength and range of emotions they were experiencing. Considering that most combats involve high emotional states, how would MT deal with this Epic? To avoid the obvious choice, this Epic has a weak danger sense to block being sniped or a sneak attack.

[The White Drake]

2 hours ago, Asriel said:

My understanding is that power specifically is stronger when he was feeling strong emotions. I may be incorrect about that.

According to the Coppermind:
"When angry, Steelheart spontaneously transforms non-living matter around him to solid steel, spreading out from him in a sphere. Steel and iron have the ability to "insulate" against the transfersion, but other metals are transformed to steel. As this ability is tied to his emotions, he sometimes uses it without intent. This power has a radius of about four miles." (empahsis added)
I think this is what I was thinking of.

But say there was a theoretical Epic whose power strength was tied directly to the strength and range of emotions they were experiencing. Considering that most combats involve high emotional states, how would MT deal with this Epic? To avoid the obvious choice, this Epic has a weak danger sense to block being sniped or a sneak attack.

He has a learned power that makes his words more believable, so he might try that. But for the most part he’d fight normally.

[Asriel]

So if this theoretical Epic out-powers him because of that ability, he’d loose?