Aon weaponry

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

Tress and Elantris spoilers.

As cool as Aons are, I think that they lack use in combat unless you have a quick hand and remember all the modifiers. Since AonDor can function as a semi coding language, what tools could be built with them?

Drones with plates carved with instruction, maybe a pair of lock picks?

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

5 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Tress and Elantris spoilers.

As cool as Aons are, I think that they lack use in combat unless you have a quick hand and remember all the modifiers. Since AonDor can function as a semi coding language, what tools could be built with them?

Drones with plates carved with instruction, maybe a pair of lock picks?

Well now I am imagining a crazy invested weapon that nightblood style draws investiture to power it's Aons carved onto the surface to do some crazy sword thing

[Returned he/him]

I wonder if you could create some kind of swarm of plates with Aons inscribed on them and rearrange them at will to accomplish different things. Maybe suspended in some fluid, maybe in some sort of frame with panels. Even better if combined with Awakened components to rearrange the plates dynamically in response to changes in the environment.

[Nitpicking]

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We see two Elantrians fight in Tress.

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Nitpicking said:

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We see two Elantrians fight in Tress.

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A. I don’t remember that fight too well, and how realistic is it to write a few sentences with perfect handwriting in the middle of combat?

 

[The White Drake]

It is possible to make a large sequence of Aons, and design an Aon to fire them all at once. So you can set it up beforehand and trigger dozens of linked aons in just a few seconds, spamming energy bolts, fire blasts, transformations, shields, healing, and simple instakill aons all at once. We also know Elantrians could just step up to a predrawn teleport plate, put a hand on it, and be transported. So you can just carry preinscribed plates around with you and press them like buttons. AonDor actually has one of the highest rapid-fire potentials of all Cosmere magic systems.

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

5 minutes ago, The White Drake said:

It is possible to make a large sequence of Aons, and design an Aon to fire them all at once. So you can set it up beforehand and trigger dozens of linked aons in just a few seconds, spamming energy bolts, fire blasts, transformations, shields, healing, and simple instakill aons all at once. We also know Elantrians could just step up to a predrawn teleport plate, put a hand on it, and be transported. So you can just carry preinscribed plates around with you and press them like buttons. AonDor actually has one of the highest rapid-fire potentials of all Cosmere magic systems.

Spaceships are probably a good use of this. Large enough size for the enhancement Aon, then hundreds of Aon Daa for bombarding opponents or planets.

[Myst He/Him]

5 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Spaceships are probably a good use of this. Large enough size for the enhancement Aon, then hundreds of Aon Daa for bombarding opponents or planets.

Technically…

You don’t have to be “there”

Using the aforementioned teleport plates, you could theoretically teleport a massively enhanced Daa Aon anywhere in the Cosmere as long as you had enough investiture.

Congrats, we’ve just made remote, instantaneous, ftl(as it uses the spiritual realm where space doesn’t exist), nukes that can be as big or as small as we want. The only limitation being our knowledge of Aons, knowing where to strike, and access to investiture.

 

[The White Drake]

9 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Spaceships are probably a good use of this. Large enough size for the enhancement Aon, then hundreds of Aon Daa for bombarding opponents or planets.

The difficultly of getting into space severely limits spaceships in practical size (until there's a breakthrough), but I can absolutely see Aonic war machines that consist of giant aon arrays on wheels or, potentially, just teleporting around. Imagine if you have an Aon Tia pointed in every direction with a solid distance parameter, you could make your mass bombardment/forcefield generator/whatever extremely mobile. Or you could build titanic Aon sets that are essentially nuclear weaponry and not need to move at all. Even that is probably small scope compared to the full potential of the magic system employed at a national level- just scaled up versions of the basics. I can't imagine what wonders Aonic magic as a science might put out.

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

1 minute ago, Myst said:

Technically…

You don’t have to be “there”

Using the aforementioned teleport plates, you could theoretically teleport a massively enhanced Daa Aon anywhere in the Cosmere as long as you had enough investiture.

Congrats, we’ve just made remote, instantaneous, ftl(as it uses the spiritual realm where space doesn’t exist), nukes that can be as big or as small as we want. The only limitation being our knowledge of Aons, knowing where to strike, and access to investiture.

 

1 minute ago, The White Drake said:

The difficultly of getting into space severely limits spaceships in practical size (until there's a breakthrough), but I can absolutely see Aonic war machines that consist of giant aon arrays on wheels or, potentially, just teleporting around. Imagine if you have an Aon Tia pointed in every direction with a solid distance parameter, you could make your mass bombardment/forcefield generator/whatever extremely mobile. Or you could build titanic Aon sets that are essentially nuclear weaponry and not need to move at all. Even that is probably small scope compared to the full potential of the magic system employed at a national level- just scaled up versions of the basics. I can't imagine what wonders Aonic magic as a science might put out.

There may be huge issues with planetary orbits and solar systems moving, it would be nearly impossible to use Tia with that much accuracy imo without some crazy computers or real time data.

[The White Drake]

The accuracy would be the lesser problem- the amount of Investiture to travel that distance in the Physical realm would be ridiculous. A city-sized amplifier let Raoden cross a sea, but to teleport across lightyears you'd need an amplifier Aon the size of a planet.

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

1 minute ago, The White Drake said:

The accuracy would be the lesser problem- the amount of Investiture to travel that distance in the Physical realm would be ridiculous. A city-sized amplifier let Raoden cross a sea, but to teleport across lightyears you'd need an amplifier Aon the size of a planet.

True. Probably not happening without Shardic influence.

Another way could be to use waystops to jump the bomb multiple times to the target.

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Such as Drominad since it is between Scadrial and Roshar.

 

[Myst He/Him]

5 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

There may be huge issues with planetary orbits and solar systems moving, it would be nearly impossible to use Tia with that much accuracy imo without some crazy computers or real time data.

Actually no, it’s all perception based. Because of the curvature of planets, when Raoden pointed his Aon Tia, it wasn’t actually pointed at it. As long as the person triggering the Aon has the right perspective and general direction you should be fine.

6 minutes ago, The White Drake said:

The accuracy would be the lesser problem- the amount of Investiture to travel that distance in the Physical realm would be ridiculous. A city-sized amplifier let Raoden cross a sea, but to teleport across lightyears you'd need an amplifier Aon the size of a planet.

we don’t know if that’s the limit though. We know it could get to that, but we never saw anything to suggest that he couldn’t go further. We don’t actually know the limit of what Elantris would’ve let him go.

So yes, it would be a lot, but not as much as we might think. Also, that’s just infrastructure, once you have it you’re good forever 

[The White Drake]

Not sure you quite get the mind-boggling distance you're proposing to cross... it's around 3,125,000,000 times more than our entire planet. Even if Elantris would have let Raoden cross the entire world with a single Aon, and Elantris is a single square mile, you would need a boosting Aon like Elantris over eight hundred times the size of the US, and that's just to reach the nearest star. That's fifteen times the surface area of the earth, using the most generous calculations.

[Frustration]

Guys this is the Cosmere forum, all spoilers are allowed, you don't need boxes or disclaimers.

 

As for weapons, Aon Daa is overrated. Unless they have shardplate or something it's not worth it.

Aon Sheo on the other hand, that's what we should really be going for. Just make a gun with it already written, and you win.

[Myst He/Him]

24 minutes ago, The White Drake said:

Not sure you quite get the mind-boggling distance you're proposing to cross... it's around 3,125,000,000 times more than our entire planet. Even if Elantris would have let Raoden cross the entire world with a single Aon, and Elantris is a single square mile, you would need a boosting Aon like Elantris over eight hundred times the size of the US, and that's just to reach the nearest star. That's fifteen times the surface area of the earth, using the most generous calculations.

I did not.

Now in an attempt to save my Ill-thought idea:

distance shouldn’t matter?

Because Aon Tia, and oath gates use the spiritual realm, distance shouldn’t be a problem. The same investiture should be needed to go one mile as 10 miles

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

36 minutes ago, Myst said:

I did not.

Now in an attempt to save my Ill-thought idea:

distance shouldn’t matter?

Because Aon Tia, and oath gates use the spiritual realm, distance shouldn’t be a problem. The same investiture should be needed to go one mile as 10 miles

I wasn’t talking about distance, more about accuracy. Either such large distances and shifting solar systems, hitting your mark would be difficult without extremely good resources and information.

[Myst He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

I wasn’t talking about distance, more about accuracy. Either such large distances and shifting solar systems, hitting your mark would be difficult without extremely good resources and information.

Okay that’s fair. Maybe we’re talking more Death Star level of destruction then(high power, but pretty much impossible to make a “small” explosion)

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

So I looked through the list of Aons and here are some ideas:

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Creating food

lights

weapons

Maybe Daa could make electricity

Ene can apparently rejuvenate a person, so that may be useful

Soo is mathematics and could be used to calculate planetary distance perhaps 

Doors perhaps

Ehe could heat water to turn a turbine

Edo lets me say “activate shields!” when an enemy appears

Deo can make metal for ships or weapons

Ate for spies or stealth operations

Aha can make air for ships 

I bet there is a cut Aon that could make a fake shardblade.

[The White Drake]

1 hour ago, Myst said:

I did not.

Now in an attempt to save my Ill-thought idea:

distance shouldn’t matter?

Because Aon Tia, and oath gates use the spiritual realm, distance shouldn’t be a problem. The same investiture should be needed to go one mile as 10 miles

We know it does, as when in Teod, Raoden didn't have enough power to teleport back to Elantris. He only went about fifty feet when he tried.