compoundingmistborn Compounding Nicrosil

[Timeloss11 He/Him]

First things first, do you guys think that the investure stored in a Nicrosil Metalmind is raw investure or do you think that simply the investure for their metallic art (e.g., The stored investure can be used as a sub for metal in alomancy or a Steel-Nicrosil twinborn storing investure to tap to enhance the Steelpush [like duralium]).
To clarify The Lost Metal depicts concentrated investure being used as a sub for metals, and I'm asking if the investure stored acts the same (this is my current understanding but there is every chance I'm wrong).

So theoretically (assuming that my interpretation is correct) could a Nicrosil compounder use invested Nicrosil to become a sort of battery of investure, if so, could the compounder become so invested that they get stuck in the cognitive realm upon death. Or could they learn to channel that raw investure to replicate other Investure systems (obviously not systems that rely on a particular variant of investure [e.g., Stormlight]?

I know this is all theoretical and we have no actual idea but I'm curious as to what your opinions on the theory are.

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

If it was possible to store raw, Unkeyed Investiture like the Dor jars or Stormlight into a Metalmind, then I don't think that the former two would be such a big deal to the Ghostbloods. They would already have a monopoly on Investiture across the Cosmere if they could just Compound Investiture that could power any Invested Art. 

The only real usage we've seen with F-Nicrosil is with the Unsealed Medallions and the Bands of Mourning, and they both functioned in different ways with the Bands running out of power with use like a regular Metalmind being tapped, and the Medallions being, as per WOB, "Like a Coppermind, where something discrete is taken, used, then put back".

We also know that the Medallions are 'A little more restrictive' then real Soulbearers in some way. I'm willing to bet that this is because a real Soulbearer can tap at lower and higher rates, instead of being like a Coppermind, so a Soulbearer Twinborn could amplify their Allomancy by storing it into a Nicrosilmind, then tapping it.

Adonalsium damnit, I cannot wait for Brandon to finally show that document about the Malwish tech he's promised to release since TLM, I'd hoped it would have been during Dragonsteel Nexus 2025, but I guess not. Maybe in the Mistborn part of the Cosmere RPG? Here's hoping...

[Trusk'our he/him]

3 hours ago, Timeloss11 said:

First things first, do you guys think that the investure stored in a Nicrosil Metalmind is raw investure or do you think that simply the investure for their metallic art (e.g., The stored investure can be used as a sub for metal in alomancy or a Steel-Nicrosil twinborn storing investure to tap to enhance the Steelpush [like duralium]).
To clarify The Lost Metal depicts concentrated investure being used as a sub for metals, and I'm asking if the investure stored acts the same (this is my current understanding but there is every chance I'm wrong).

So theoretically (assuming that my interpretation is correct) could a Nicrosil compounder use invested Nicrosil to become a sort of battery of investure, if so, could the compounder become so invested that they get stuck in the cognitive realm upon death. Or could they learn to channel that raw investure to replicate other Investure systems (obviously not systems that rely on a particular variant of investure [e.g., Stormlight]?

I know this is all theoretical and we have no actual idea but I'm curious as to what your opinions on the theory are.

You're right, we don't have any full takes on the metal yet, but from the existence of the Malwish medallions it appears that Feruchemical Nicrosil stores the ability to use a power. Functional Investiture, but not the fuel for them.

If I were to guess, a nicrosil Twinborn could temporarily increase the efficiency and power of their Allomancy with their Feruchemy.  Basically the foil to a Compounder. 

 

A nicrosil Compounder would likely have a sort of positive feedback loop where they can increase the power of their Allomancy, which in turn empowers their Compounding, which serves to further increase their Allomancy, etc.

It would have an upper limit as the higher you stretch a Feruchemical attribute the more Investiture it costs, plus most of the power is just used up to sustain the process itself. I really don't think it would do much other than saturate your Spiritweb with far more Investiture than most other Metalborn over time.

[DoctaDajman]

I have wondered about innate investiture as well. If nicrosil hemalurgy can leave a Scadrian less than themselves... worse off than a drab... by removing their innate investiture then I think we may have a glimpse at a possible use of the metal for feruchemy as well. 

Note that I dont disagree with what the others have said. We know for sure, that it stores the ability to use those abilities (which is closer to how an atium spike works right? Kind of interesting there). 

But what I think may also be possible is storing the innate investiture that a person has as well. We know that every person has some level of baseline investiture throughout the entire cosmere. And we have seen cases where only innate investiture is increased. Warbreaker and SA spoilers: 

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First we have Kaladin. Making oaths has impacted his innate investiture even without stormlight to the point where he is suspected to be of a heightening at the least before the conclusion that he is radiant is made.  

Then we have awakening and the Returned. We have been shown that you can suppress the divine breath which is all innate investiture and clearly powerful enough to grant a ton of bonus effects, including making someone immune to poisons, faster, stronger, and have all benefits of the 5th heightening.  

If you can suppress innate investiture the way Vasher and other returned have shown us you can then perhaps this is a small hint of something possible with Nicrosil. 

Obviously the mistborn adventure game is not to be taken as canon at all but when you look at the nicrosil compounding there it allows for small boosts to any Attribute you could store as a feruchemist. 

In my own mind and justification for how to make that cosmere sound, I replaced that all with the idea that storing innate investiture and then compounding it would likely benefit the person across nearly every aspect of their lives. As I pointed out, every part of your life gets better with more innate investiture. 

Kinetic seems to be a for sure no no. But that hemalugic scene in The Lost Metal hints that someone on Scadrial is interested in the benefits of innate investiture and my hypothesis is that if Nicrosil Feruchemy could store your innate investiture it would open some true supersoldiery ideas through purely the innate portions of a persons soul.