MR74: The Politics of Gods

[Doc12]

37 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Iced leading voting on CD last cycle is, without context, a good look. The only way I'd reconsider this being a good look is if CD was up for elim the day before, because it could be bussing. I have no idea whether that's something Iced would do ngl.

Could just be xinoehp512/TOW lol. I think that indicates an elim team of mostly newer players, which would explain a lack of distancing and pretty pairing stuff. When Iced votes CD, they all immediately vote there together, which is not exactly the best idea for elims, but I could see a team of newer players doing something like that. Especially so late into the game.

This post from CD is also just a terrible look for all three of them since CD flipped elim lol. The level of defensiveness is very unpairing with Iced, and it's probbaly indicative that one of TOW/xinoeph slot is an elim with CD. If they were e/v/v CD doesn't react like that imo. I'm pretty comfortable calling Iced unpaired with CD, aka I townread Iced, based on the resulting back and forth.

Tbf I think this post from KSOHS/xinoeph slot can be town sometimes, but the defense of CD is something I don't really like.

CD and TOW voted in the same minute on KSOHS/xinoeph slot is really funny. Idk how much I read into TOW then moving back a couple minutes later while saying "I didn't see Coder's vote" because I can imagine a scenario where it's theatre or a miscommunication. CD then voting Iced a minute later is also really funny if they're all elims together.

Guessing TOW's final post didn't count, but that's... an interesting post? It almost made me want to think that the team is probably not TOW with KSOHS/xinoeph slot ngl, until I checked the alive players list. Weird to move off of likely a town slot to vote an elim partner while trying to appeal last minute to v!Aman and save CD. Like if you're bussing there, don't you just bus CD lol.

Doc is confirmed town (if I say IC that's the same thing), and I didn't read the setup so uh I'll just assume the game isn't bastard. Iced/TOW/CD is probably never the team judging by CD's reactions to Iced and the final VC. I will say that I had light pings on Iced having potential TMI and bussing, so I don't really feel confident enough in v!Iced to lock in the other two as the team. Iced can be bussing because of TMI, especially because of the way the final VC ended yesterday. The thing is that I don't really think e/e CD/Iced talk to each other like that last cycle, and TOW was also aggressive towards Iced in a usually not e/e way. Not confident enough in a solve either way, I probably place Iced as likely to not be an elim though, because Iced/TOW/CD is a really weird team when they would've had to have done some weird bussing when it was a cycle they could've won on if they stacked (I assume? f7 yesterday?).

TOW, because I think this slot should always be an elim regardless of who the final elim is. TOW is also just lacking curiosity and feels one dimensional in posting off of what I've read. I have trouble seeing a team in Iced/KSOHS rn, but I haven't really looked.

Reading through cycle 3 now, because reading in the correct order is overrated, this post from Iced ngl makes me want to lock Iced town. If you want my paranoia thoughts, there's a chance Iced is too TMI-y to be able to push my slot. Saying this because when I was a newbie elim, I was extremely TMI-y and I may or may not have killed my entire wolf team in some of my early games.

One of TOW/KSOHS always flips elim based on CD's readlist here. Also literally how is anyone voting my slot atp lol. My slot is so unpaired from CD off of that post. I digress.

I'm not reading cycle 1 and 2, I think I've seen enough and I got stuff to do. I'm feeling ok with voting TOW -> xinoeph/KSOHS slot here. I'll check my Iced and xinoeph/KSOHS slot reads later since elims have to bring me to f3 because I'm probably the only possible miselim rn. Sigh.

That's a lot of analysis for a pinch hitter who got subbed in 24 hours before rollover, I'm really impressed.

Yeah just based off actual contributions alone, KSOS/Xinoeph has generally leaned neutral/elim for me, it was just how they were leading the vote last cycle and how CD and TOW jumped in to vote on them too before Aman and I managed to steer the vote to CD at the very last hour that dropped them in suspicion for me.

There just seemed to be no reason for TOW and CD to jump on KSOS (at the same minute, no less) if KSOS was an elim. With Penguin at 4 votes and KSOS at 3, Penguin would have died. When they jumped on KSOS, if Aman and I hadn't changed our votes the only candidate would have been KSOS. If KSOS was elim, they'd have just killed an elim for no reason when they could have killed Penguin by doing nothing. And my math might be wrong, but I think we would have lost then? That's the main reason why I think KSOS/Xinoeph might be clear. It could have been a bus, but there was literally no reason to bus when they would have won by doing nothing. 

Edit 1: (Also could you explain TMI and F3)

Edit 2: I am also inclined to agree it might be a team of newer players, which makes the Araris/Aman paranoia that there must be an elim between one of the veteran players (Araris, Aman, me) very funny in hindsight.

Edited September 13, 2025 by Doc12

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Cycle ends in half an hour btw

For the new folks, there is an anti-hammering rule in effect. Votes made in the last 15 minutes of the cycle extend the cycle. The cycle will end 15 minutes after the most recent vote.)

[Aeternum]

48 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

That's a lot of analysis for a pinch hitter who got subbed in 24 hours before rollover, I'm really impressed.

Yeah just based off actual contributions alone, KSOS/Xinoeph has generally leaned neutral/elim for me, it was just how they were leading the vote last cycle and how CD and TOW jumped in to vote on them too before Aman and I managed to steer the vote to CD at the very last hour that dropped them in suspicion for me.

There just seemed to be no reason for TOW and CD to jump on KSOS (at the same minute, no less) if KSOS was an elim. With Penguin at 4 votes and KSOS at 3, Penguin would have died. When they jumped on KSOS, if Aman and I hadn't changed our votes the only candidate would have been KSOS. If KSOS was elim, they'd have just killed an elim for no reason when they could have killed Penguin by doing nothing. And my math might be wrong, but I think we would have lost then? That's the main reason why I think KSOS/Xinoeph might be clear. It could have been a bus, but there was literally no reason to bus when they would have won by doing nothing. 

Edit 1: (Also could you explain TMI and F3)

Edit 2: I am also inclined to agree it might be a team of newer players, which makes the Araris/Aman paranoia that there must be an elim between one of the veteran players (Araris, Aman, me) very funny in hindsight.

The thing is that it would be very weird to be in a world where Iced/TOW were elims together both on the fact that TOW and CD bussed Iced really hard for no reason day 4, and because they probably would've just won if all of them had stacked on the town in Iced/xinoeph slot/TOW. TOW trying to move last second is really throwing me off though I think. Idk I've already forgotten what happened specifically enough to logic it out properly lol.

If it's Iced/TOW, then:

Kaladin's Sense of Humor (1):  Iced Out Penguin
Iced Out Penguin (3): Coder Dragon, That One Worldhopper, Willshaper the Resolute
Coder Dragon (3): Doc 12, Amanuensis, Truthwatcher the Learned

Why don't they just stack on KSOHS? Especially because iirc Aman was voting there earlier. Instead, CD voted Iced. And yeah your math should be right, they should've been able to win on a miselim last cycle, so bussing like this doesn't make much sense. TOW tried to move to KSOHS which, if I squint enough, means I could see this world, but I think the elims would've had enough reason to avoid voting Iced all day because v!Aman had voted v!KSOHS earlier.

If it's xinoeph/TOW:

Kaladin's Sense of Humor (1):  Iced Out Penguin
Iced Out Penguin (3): Coder Dragon, That One Worldhopper, Willshaper the Resolute
Coder Dragon (3): Doc 12, Amanuensis, Truthwatcher the Learned

This makes way more sense at a glance, at least. The confusing part is why would e!TOW would try to move off of voting town to vote an elim.

And if it's xinoeph/Iced:

Kaladin's Sense of Humor (1):  Iced Out Penguin
Iced Out Penguin (3): Coder Dragon, That One Worldhopper, Willshaper the Resolute
Coder Dragon (3): Doc 12, Amanuensis, Truthwatcher the Learned

This works because that means they were forced to bus. TOW trying to move last second makes sense from a v!TOW standpoint when I think about it, actually more than in e!TOW worlds. Ngl I have not looked at this world enough and now I'm worried I should've.

That aside, I have reasons to find Iced unpaired with a TOW/CD team, and I have reasons to find a TOW/xinoeph team unlikely. Socially, I had slight town pings for Iced and KSOHS/xinoeph slot.

Anyways. Current VC should be:

Aeternum (3): That One Worldhopper, Xinoehp512, Willshaper the Resolute
That One Worldhopper (3): Doc12, Iced Out Penguin, Aeternum

e!Iced is bussing this cycle unless wagons are just v/v in which case actually just rip atp and now I think this is really possible. e!TOW is voting town, e!xinoehp is voting town, on a cycle where they just need to elim town to win. That works because e!Iced shouldn't be voting e!TOW here, so it's either Iced/xinoeph or TOW/xinoeph.

Ngl Iced wanting me to just vote TOW is now making me really paranoid of elims knowing they've already won if wagons stay like this, but I think it's too late to fix things if TOW is town here, because v!TOW would be currently misvoting and elims just stack on my wagon and win regardless of TOW wagon moving (because Iced is an elim in this world).

Correct vote is xinoehp this cycle, not TOW, if my logic makes sense. Oops.

Oh well!

TMI = too much information, aka the fact that elims know who is town and who is elim, whereas town has no idea. Which means elims know when they're wrong, and when they're right, which affects the way they see the game.

F3 is final 3, I usually use it to refer to do or die situations (for f3 that would be 2 town vs 1 elim). Currently we're in F5, or at least I've been assuming that lol. I don't know if elims win at parity (aka we guess wrong today and lose instantly), which is what I'm used, or if it's past parity so they'd need a successful NK to win if we were wrong today.

Side note, I'm getting so much site lag rn.

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

1 minute ago, Aeternum said:

Correct vote is xinoehp this cycle, not TOW, if my logic makes sense. Oops.

 

Should we try to switch?

[Aeternum]

If you're town technically it doesn't matter because both TOW and xinoehp are elims.

I think it covers the e!you worlds but idk I'll go off on a paranoia spree if I think too much about it.

If Doc thinks it's better then yeah, otherwise this is fine.

It's occurred to me that there's some tiebreak rule I'm not aware so uh yeah it might not even matter lol.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

14 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Anyways. Current VC should be:

Aeternum (3): That One Worldhopper, Xinoehp512, Willshaper the Resolute
That One Worldhopper (3): Doc12, Iced Out Penguin, Aeternum

Not Quite. The Gods vote with the Majority of their court. Seniority breaks the tie. In this case, 3 of Willshaper's priests are voting for Worldhopper, and 2 of them are voting for Aeternum. So Worldhopper's seniority doesn't matter. Willshaper votes with the three.

Aeternum (2): That One Worldhopper, Xinoehp512
That One Worldhopper (4): Doc12, Iced Out Penguin, Aeternum, Willshaper the Resolute

[Doc12]

4 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

The thing is that it would be very weird to be in a world where Iced/TOW were elims together both on the fact that TOW and CD bussed Iced really hard for no reason day 4, and because they probably would've just won if all of them had stacked on the town in Iced/xinoeph slot/TOW. TOW trying to move last second is really throwing me off though I think. Idk I've already forgotten what happened specifically enough to logic it out properly lol.

If it's Iced/TOW, then:

Kaladin's Sense of Humor (1):  Iced Out Penguin
Iced Out Penguin (3): Coder Dragon, That One Worldhopper, Willshaper the Resolute
Coder Dragon (3): Doc 12, Amanuensis, Truthwatcher the Learned

Why don't they just stack on KSOHS? Especially because iirc Aman was voting there earlier. Instead, CD voted Iced. And yeah your math should be right, they should've been able to win on a miselim last cycle, so bussing like this doesn't make much sense. TOW tried to move to KSOHS which, if I squint enough, means I could see this world, but I think the elims would've had enough reason to avoid voting Iced all day because v!Aman had voted v!KSOHS earlier.

If it's xinoeph/TOW:

Kaladin's Sense of Humor (1):  Iced Out Penguin
Iced Out Penguin (3): Coder Dragon, That One Worldhopper, Willshaper the Resolute
Coder Dragon (3): Doc 12, Amanuensis, Truthwatcher the Learned

This makes way more sense at a glance, at least. The confusing part is why would e!TOW would try to move off of voting town to vote an elim.

And if it's xinoeph/Iced:

Kaladin's Sense of Humor (1):  Iced Out Penguin
Iced Out Penguin (3): Coder Dragon, That One Worldhopper, Willshaper the Resolute
Coder Dragon (3): Doc 12, Amanuensis, Truthwatcher the Learned

This works because that means they were forced to bus. TOW trying to move last second makes sense from a v!TOW standpoint when I think about it, actually more than in e!TOW worlds. Ngl I have not looked at this world enough and now I'm worried I should've.

That aside, I have reasons to find Iced unpaired with a TOW/CD team, and I have reasons to find a TOW/xinoeph team unlikely. Socially, I had slight town pings for Iced and KSOHS/xinoeph slot.

Anyways. Current VC should be:

Aeternum (3): That One Worldhopper, Xinoehp512, Willshaper the Resolute
That One Worldhopper (3): Doc12, Iced Out Penguin, Aeternum

e!Iced is bussing this cycle unless wagons are just v/v in which case actually just rip atp and now I think this is really possible. e!TOW is voting town, e!xinoehp is voting town, on a cycle where they just need to elim town to win. That works because e!Iced shouldn't be voting e!TOW here, so it's either Iced/xinoeph or TOW/xinoeph.

Ngl Iced wanting me to just vote TOW is now making me really paranoid of elims knowing they've already won if wagons stay like this, but I think it's too late to fix things if TOW is town here, because v!TOW would be currently misvoting and elims just stack on my wagon and win regardless of TOW wagon moving (because Iced is an elim in this world).

Correct vote is xinoehp this cycle, not TOW, if my logic makes sense. Oops.

Oh well!

TMI = too much information, aka the fact that elims know who is town and who is elim, whereas town has no idea. Which means elims know when they're wrong, and when they're right, which affects the way they see the game.

F3 is final 3, I usually use it to refer to do or die situations (for f3 that would be 2 town vs 1 elim). Currently we're in F5, or at least I've been assuming that lol. I don't know if elims win at parity (aka we guess wrong today and lose instantly), which is what I'm used, or if it's past parity so they'd need a successful NK to win if we were wrong today.

Side note, I'm getting so much site lag rn.

Oh so it's not just me getting site lag. Good to know. 

I really like that you're trying to reason through this. I think you're village for me.

Unfortunately I don't think I can't gather my thoughts enough to logic this before rollover. 

KSOS voted BBB/Aeternum this morning. 

I thought it was a TOW/BBB team but Aeternum is doing a lot to convince me they're village with the way they're trying to analyze instead of coast. So it's either TOW/KSOS, KSOS/Iced, or TOW/Iced, yes?

I think I'm ok with 2/3. 

Evi closes her eyes. Knowing that death was coming. Hoping she'd done enough. 

Hope I see you again, Lady Stoneward.

Puzzle, you're extremely irritating, but I love you. Find someone else worthy. 

Goodbye. 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I'm going to extend this cycle by 5 minutes, because I am also struggling with Site Lag, so just in case something important is happening, I will extend it a bit.

[Aeternum]

Yeah but Iced isn't with TOW like 98% of the time, so xinoehp is the best vote today. TOW/xinoehp always hits an elim at the very least, and I think Iced isn't an elim. So we should be fine?

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

2 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

I'm going to extend this cycle by 5 minutes, because I am also struggling with Site Lag, so just in case something important is happening, I will extend it a bit.

The site lag is crazy

 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Unless I have been ninja'd by a Vote, this cycle is now over!

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

As If sprinted through the halls, uncaring of the startled servants who saw him. He was in the servant's quarters, taking the long way around to avoid guards and priests. He needed to reach the priest's quarters and eliminate more of their opposition before before the guards spotted him. Willshaper had declared that he would exiled, and Willshaper's words would not be naysayed. He didn't care too much about the exile, he believed in the cause. He would pay the price gladly if it meant his people's freedom. But the price would be wasted if he couldn't help before he fell.

He mentally worked his way through the remaining priests in positions of authority and privilege. Evi, Kaladin's Sense of Humor Spren, Big Bad Bagsworth, and ______________. A lot of weird names honestly. Their parent's generation had strange taste. Evi was the obvious target. With Truthwatcher's blessing, there was no chance she was going to get exiled.

He ducked through a laundry room and came out the other side in the hallway of the senior priests of Lightweaver. He checked both ways and saw no one. As if smoothed his robes, quieted his breathing, and hurried at a slower pace towards the bedrooms. Hopefully she was still asleep. Maybe he could just kill all of the loyal priests at once? They were all nearby, one murder spree and the gods would have no senior priests to run their courts. It was worthwhile to attempt. He started towards the quarters.

He opened the door and froze. The colors in the room were bright and beautiful. The aura of a Returned. Willshaper, easily 7 feet tall and with her skin painted in red marbling, stood in the center of the room. She sighed when he opened the door. "As if I would let another of my priests die. I had hoped that you would face exile with dignity, like Arlun or CD did. But you were not present to hear the verdict."

His mouth was dry. "Ah, my goddess, I'm afraid I don't understand. What verdict?"

She cocked a head at him, then walked forward. "You have been found guilty of Corruption and murder As If. You were notified of your trial, were you not? Yet you did not attend."

He rapidly calculated possibilities. Could he outmanuever her? Get to one of the priests? Could he turn and run? You couldn't outrun a Returned. Could he, talk his way out?

No.

Could he kill her?

At the last moment, she lunged forward and gripped both of his arms. He yelped in pain. He hadn't even had time to make a decision. She held him tight while Timbre went to get guards to bind him. He never got the chance to kill. 

MR74 - C6: Pattern

Cycle 6 begins!

That One Worldhopper has been exiled from Hallandren on suspicion of Corruption and Murder! They were a Pahn Kahl Conspirator!

It is possible for this game to end in a Tie, if, in a 1v1 situation, the villager has seniority. This would result in the Eliminator night murdering the Villager, and the Villager + Dustbringer executing the Eliminator.

Lightweaver has announced that she will give up her breath this cycle! Due to player count, all remaining players are in Lightweaver's court. This means that there will be no Court doc created for Lightweaver. Lightweaver's ability could affect the game in some worlds, so Voting for Lightweaver's breath is in play.

Final Vote Count:

Aeternum (2): That One Worldhopper, Xinoehp512
That One Worldhopper (4): Doc12, Iced Out Penguin, Aeternum, Willshaper the Resolute

Players in order of Seniority: 

1. @Doc12 as Evi
2. @xinoehp512 as Kaladin's Sense of Humor Spren
3. @Aeternum as Big Bad Bagsworth
4. @IcedOutPenguin as ___________

Gods in order of Senority:

1. Lightweaver
2. Dustbringer
3. Skybreaker
4. Edgedancer
5. Windrunner

EDIT: Note that I am willing to end this game 24 hours early by unanimous vote of all surviving players.

[Doc12]

I... didn't die? 

I didn't die!  On a cycle where Lightweaver is the Returned, no less!

So the fact that I didn't die points to the fact that the Elims went inactive. Which given both Penguin and Aeternum were active up til rollover really only means that it has to be Xinoehp512.  

And, yknow, the fact that Penguin and Aeternum both voted on Worldhopper to be exed pretty much clears them completely. 

  

11 hours ago, Doc12 said:

Evi closes her eyes. Knowing that death was coming. Hoping she'd done enough. 

Hope I see you again, Lady Stoneward.

Puzzle, you're extremely irritating, but I love you. Find someone else worthy. 

Goodbye. 

Evi opens her eyes. 

In front of her still remained Big Bad Badsworth and _______ looking at each other. 

The colors around her blazed bright, the way they had when Lord Truthwatcher had given her His Breath. In front of her, the Lady Lightweaver. Her new Goddess. 

"I..." She stuttered. "I thought I would be..."

Lady Lightweaver smiled. "The Lady Willshaper has witnessed your trial and dealt with the traitorous As If. They are both departed from us now."

Goddess...

She looked around her. The two priests she had stayed up all night with debating, each relieved to be alive as well. Puzzle, hiding in the corner, sending her reassuring hums. Lady Lightweaver, giving her a smile that was a touch too knowing. 

She didn't know how to handle this. Her gods dying one by one. It was their choice, but... Lord Truthwatcher. Lady Willshaper... Lady Stoneward... 

Hell. If she survived all this, she could ask whatever she wanted. Maybe Lady Lightweaver would strike her down, or maybe they would have proven themselves to their gods.

"If we exile the last traitor, Lady Lightweaver..." She began, hesitantly, "If we all survive..." She squeezed her eyes shut. Could you...stay? Teach me? Of...Puzzle, and the Place Between Worlds?" 

 

Edited September 13, 2025 by Doc12

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

55 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

As If sprinted through the halls, uncaring of the startled servants who saw him. He was in the servant's quarters, taking the long way around to avoid guards and priests. He needed to reach the priest's quarters and eliminate more of their opposition before before the guards spotted him. Willshaper had declared that he would exiled, and Willshaper's words would not be naysayed. He didn't care too much about the exile, he believed in the cause. He would pay the price gladly if it meant his people's freedom. But the price would be wasted if he couldn't help before he fell.

He mentally worked his way through the remaining priests in positions of authority and privilege. Evi, Kaladin's Sense of Humor Spren, Big Bad Bagsworth, and ______________. A lot of weird names honestly. Their parent's generation had strange taste. Evi was the obvious target. With Truthwatcher's blessing, there was no chance she was going to get exiled.

He ducked through a laundry room and came out the other side in the hallway of the senior priests of Lightweaver. He checked both ways and saw no one. As if smoothed his robes, quieted his breathing, and hurried at a slower pace towards the bedrooms. Hopefully she was still asleep. Maybe he could just kill all of the loyal priests at once? They were all nearby, one murder spree and the gods would have no senior priests to run their courts. It was worthwhile to attempt. He started towards the quarters.

He opened the door and froze. The colors in the room were bright and beautiful. The aura of a Returned. Willshaper, easily 7 feet tall and with her skin painted in red marbling, stood in the center of the room. She sighed when he opened the door. "As if I would let another of my priests die. I had hoped that you would face exile with dignity, like Arlun or CD did. But you were not present to hear the verdict."

His mouth was dry. "Ah, my goddess, I'm afraid I don't understand. What verdict?"

She cocked a head at him, then walked forward. "You have been found guilty of Corruption and murder As If. You were notified of your trial, were you not? Yet you did not attend."

He rapidly calculated possibilities. Could he outmanuever her? Get to one of the priests? Could he turn and run? You couldn't outrun a Returned. Could he, talk his way out?

No.

Could he kill her?

At the last moment, she lunged forward and gripped both of his arms. He yelped in pain. He hadn't even had time to make a decision. She held him tight while Timbre went to get guards to bind him. He never got the chance to kill. 

MR74 - C6: Pattern

Cycle 6 begins!

That One Worldhopper has been exiled from Hallandren on suspicion of Corruption and Murder! They were a Pahn Kahl Conspirator!

It is possible for this game to end in a Tie, if, in a 1v1 situation, the villager has seniority. This would result in the Eliminator night murdering the Villager, and the Villager + Dustbringer executing the Eliminator.

Lightweaver has announced that she will give up her breath this cycle! Due to player count, all remaining players are in Lightweaver's court. This means that there will be no Court doc created for Lightweaver. Lightweaver's ability could affect the game in some worlds, so Voting for Lightweaver's breath is in play.

Final Vote Count:

Aeternum (2): That One Worldhopper, Xinoehp512
That One Worldhopper (4): Doc12, Iced Out Penguin, Aeternum, Willshaper the Resolute

Players in order of Seniority: 

1. @Doc12 as Evi
2. @xinoehp512 as Kaladin's Sense of Humor Spren
3. @Aeternum as Big Bad Bagsworth
4. @IcedOutPenguin as ___________

Gods in order of Senority:

1. Lightweaver
2. Dustbringer
3. Skybreaker
4. Edgedancer
5. Windrunner

EDIT: Note that I am willing to end this game 24 hours early by unanimous vote of all surviving players.

Why no kill?

Edited September 13, 2025 by IcedOutPenguin

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

5 minutes ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

Why no kill?

Play and Find Out

[Aeternum]

Yay we're good at the game!

From reading a bit of the setup, NK isn't mandatory judging by wording, so yeah that points a lot to a TOW/xinoeph team for inactivity. From how I'm understanding the gods voting with majority thing, if Iced had voted me, it would've been 4 votes for me and I would've died? If that's the case, Iced is always town because e!Iced would've won last cycle by voting me, since in that case v!xinoehp was voting me, and they just needed one town to misvote to win. Didn't even occur to me before lol. I was already of the opinion that Iced wasn't an elim bussing TOW anyway.

Lightweaver gives someone a second vote, so in the event we miss today, technically we're fine as long as town gets the Lightweaver vote thing (since elims win past parity). Then we only lose if either the elim gets the Lightweaver vote thing or if the person who was supposed to get it dies. I think. But that's complicated and I think winning today sounds like a much better plan

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

I'm wondering if one of you can put together the scenarios where we tie?

I hope it doesn't come to that, I hope Xinoeph is the last elim

Edited September 13, 2025 by IcedOutPenguin

[Doc12]

42 minutes ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

I'm wondering if one of you can put together the scenarios where we tie?

I hope it doesn't come to that, I hope Xinoeph is the last elim

I think what Joe means is that there's a chance that we misvote today and elims kill one of us, making it 1 villager and 1 elim,

ie: assuming Xinoehp is the elim, we vote Aeternum out and Xinoehp kills me, leaving Penguin and Xinoehp alone in the next round. 

Penguin and Xinoehp both vote on each other, but because Xinoehp has seniority Penguin dies and we lose. 

We could still win in this scenario if we all vote to give Penguin Lightweaver's Breath so they have 2 votes, in which case Xinoehp dies. This would require us to all agree on who gets the Breath without letting Xinoehp know who to kill, which is unlikely.  

For the tie to occur, the villager has to have seniority. Maybe we vote Penguin out and Xinoehp kills Aeternum. That leaves me and Xinoehp alone next round, and if we vote each other, I have seniority and Xinoehp gets exed but I also die in the night. 

I might be a little confused, Joe, but I don't see a world where Dustbringer's power has to come in play because if the remaining villager has seniority they automatically win the exe in a 1v1 situation, without having to rely on Dustbringer. 

But hey, we're pretty sure Xinoehp is the last elim so @Aeternum @xinoehp512 want to tie a bow on it instead of dragging it out?  

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

4 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

I might be a little confused, Joe, but I don't see a world where Dustbringer's power has to come in play because if the remaining villager has seniority they automatically win the exe in a 1v1 situation, without having to rely on Dustbringer. 

. . . Dustbringer is the God who would be voting with the Senior Priest. Dustbringer's power doesn't come into play, it's just that Dustbringer's vote comes into play.

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

Hey@xinoehp512. Can you just tell us if you're the last Elim so we can win?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

17 hours ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

 Note that I am willing to end this game 24 hours early by unanimous vote of all surviving players.

So far we're at zero votes for this. Did it get missed or does everyone want the full 48 hours to analyse whether or not Doc12 is evil? (Spoiler: He is evil, but he's not an eliminator in this game.)

[Doc12]

13 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

So far we're at zero votes for this. Did it get missed or does everyone want the full 48 hours to analyse whether or not Doc12 is evil? (Spoiler: He is evil, but he's not an eliminator in this game.)

Yeah I've got green text in my name in the writeup, I'm so cool  

And yes I'm definitely in for ending the game early. It feels like everyone who's been active has pretty much decided who they're voting on. @Aeternum @xinoehp512chime in? I'm pretty sure if we get 3 people voting on the same person the last person wouldn't be able to do anything about it. 

[xinoehp512 he/him]

Well, my pinch hitter target came back early.

He says BBB is still evil in his book, so... there we go!

I don't suppose I can convince one of you fine fellows to join me?

[Aeternum]

2 hours ago, Doc12 said:

Yeah I've got green text in my name in the writeup, I'm so cool  

And yes I'm definitely in for ending the game early. It feels like everyone who's been active has pretty much decided who they're voting on. @Aeternum @xinoehp512chime in? I'm pretty sure if we get 3 people voting on the same person the last person wouldn't be able to do anything about it. 

Yeah I'm good with that.

xinoehp

[Doc12]

28 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said:

Well, my pinch hitter target came back early.

He says BBB is still evil in his book, so... there we go!

I don't suppose I can convince one of you fine fellows to join me?

Perhaps if your pinch hitter is willing to share some reasoning I'd be happy to listen  

4 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Yeah I'm good with that.

xinoehp

Part of me is still slightly paranoid that you might be an elim who deliberately bussed TOW to fool us, but hey, let's see how it goes! 

Looks like everyone's voted, but I think Joe wants explicit confirmation from everyone that they're also voting for the cycle to end early.