TheWarriorPoet he/him Posted July 9, 2025 Posted July 9, 2025 We know Hoid. The clever storyteller. The worldhopper. The man with many names — and too many secrets. He doesn’t kill. He doesn’t fight. He doesn’t rule. But what if that’s not because he’s good — but because he’s bound? What if the greatest con in the Cosmere… is the one Hoid played on the gods themselves? THE SETUP At the Shattering of Adonalsium, sixteen individuals ascended to become Shard Vessels. Brandon has confirmed that Hoid was offered a Shard and refused — and that he was friends with several of the Vessels before the Shattering. But what if that friendship was a mask? What if Hoid’s true motive was always to remove Adonalsium from the board — not to take power for himself, but to ensure no one else could stop him later? THE PACT After the Shattering — regardless of how or why it occurred — Hoid and the 16 Shards formed a cosmic pact: No direct violence between Vessels. No direct interference in mortal wars. No unification of the Shards. No Dawnshard-fueled conquest. This was not peace. It was containment. Each Shard was terrifying. But Hoid… Hoid was unpredictable. And they all agreed: “We will not strike with swords. We will strike with story.” HOID’S REAL GOAL: REPLACE ADONALSIUM WITHOUT TAKING A SHARD Instead of seizing a Shard, Hoid began a new path: To collect the echo of each Shard’s power — and rebuild divinity inside himself. Every magic system in the Cosmere is a manifestation of Shardic Intent. And Hoid is deliberately gathering them, one by one: Magic System Shard Hoid’s Access Allomancy Preservation Consumed a lerasium bead (Secret History) Feruchemy? Preservation/Ruin Strongly implied in The Lost Metal Awakening Endowment Confirmed; may hold a Divine Breath AonDor Devotion + Dominion Can use; seen in Lost Metal epilogue Surgebinding Honor/Cultivation Bonded a Cryptic (Lightweaver) Lightweaving Yolen (???) Origin unknown, possibly pre-Shattering Fortune ??? Uses it to be "where he needs to be" Yolen Magic Pre-Shattering Unexplained, but likely fundamental He’s not hoarding Investiture at random — he’s building a spiritual resonance that reflects the entire Cosmere. A self-made god without Intent, without Shardic madness. When the Shards eventually fade, Splinter, or collapse (as we’ve seen with Honor, Devotion, Dominion, Ambition…), the power will flow to the only being capable of harmonizing with all of it: Hoid. WHY HE DOESN’T INTERVENE Because he can’t. He’s still bound by the Pact of Peace — or possibly by his Dawnshard’s limitations (we know he once held the Dawnshard of Change). He doesn’t kill. He doesn’t fight. He tells stories. He manipulates events through words, art, and chance. Because that’s the only weapon the pact allows him to use. He is playing by the rules… While bending the story to his will. ENDGAME: THE COSMERE WILL BECOME HIM What if Hoid isn’t trying to stop Odium… He’s waiting for Odium to burn through the other Shards — until the power is free. What if he’s preparing to become something worse — or more divine — than Adonalsium? Not a tyrant. Not a savior. But a narrative being with the power of all, and the binding of none. The Shards are gods fractured by Intent. Hoid will be a god unified by story. TL;DR: After the Shattering, Hoid and the Shards created a Pact of Non-Intervention — no direct violence, no mortal warfare. Hoid doesn’t intervene because he’s bound by the pact — not by morality. Instead of holding a Shard, he’s collecting resonances of each Shard’s power via magic systems. His endgame is to replace Adonalsium, not by taking power — but by becoming the only soul compatible with all of it. The final threat to the Cosmere might not be Odium… It might be the man who’s been narrating the whole thing. What do you think? Could Hoid be preparing to override the Shards by becoming the soul of the Cosmere itself? Or is this just another trick in a very long story? Looking forward to your thoughts and counter-theories. -The Warrior Poet
RShara she/her Posted July 9, 2025 Posted July 9, 2025 So to reiterate from what I said on Discord: Hoid is absolutely interfering with the Shards Hoid can't hurt or kill because of holding the Dawnshard Exist. You can see it affecting Sigzil the same way Adonalsium being reformed in any way is too similar to Wheel of Time for Brandon to want to do Ruin and Preservation, Honor and Odium, definitely Quote No direct violence between Vessels. These three are shown in the text to not be the case Ruin and Preservation directly clash multiple times Honor and Odium directly clash multiple times Odium got Devotion and Dominion to directly clash, then swooped in and killed them both Odium directly clashed with Ambition and Splintered her (Mercy was involved in this somehow). Quote No direct interference in mortal wars. Ruin directly controlled the koloss, the Inquisitors and the kandra. Ruin *created* wars. Odium and Honor directly interfered in both Ashyn and Roshar until they agreed on the contract between the three of them. Quote No unification of the Shards. Sazed would like to have a word with you Quote What if Hoid’s true motive was always to remove Adonalsium from the board — not to take power for himself, but to ensure no one else could stop him later? It's strongly implied that Hoid's true motive is to bring someone back from the Beyond, and that he was for the Shattering in order to change the rules enough to do so. You said on Discord that you used ChatGPT to help you write this, which explains a lot of the incorrect premises. ChatGPT is usually only correct something like 20-30% of the time. Don't use it 11
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted July 9, 2025 Posted July 9, 2025 6 minutes ago, RShara said: You said on Discord that you used ChatGPT to help you write this, which explains a lot of the incorrect premises. ChatGPT is usually only correct something like 20-30% of the time. Don't use it Uhh yeah it's evident ChatGPT is bad at Cosmere-ology First off, the non-intervention agreement wasn't formal and wasn't binding. Hoid can't harm stuff because of the Exist Dawnshard, except Kelsier for some reason. Second, he did work directly against Odium. Third, even if he had all the magic systems in the cosmere, his Investiture would not equal that of a single Shard. I think we can use Adolin's argument here. He refused the throne, proving he does not seek power. Same applies to Hoid when he turned down a Shard. Alright, waiting for Odium to burn through all the Shards? ChatGPT obviously hasn't read WaT yet I'm afraid. 4
RShara she/her Posted July 9, 2025 Posted July 9, 2025 (edited) 8 minutes ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said: Hoid can't harm stuff because of the Exist Dawnshard, except Kelsier for some reason. Because he wasn't *actually* harming Kelsier. Kelsier only felt pain and injury because he thought he should. As soon as Kelsier got his brain to stop being stupid, the pain went away and he was fine Quote Alright, waiting for Odium to burn through all the Shards? ChatGPT obviously hasn't read WaT yet I'm afraid. Not entirely sure the OP has either.... Edited July 9, 2025 by RShara 2
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted July 9, 2025 Posted July 9, 2025 Just now, RShara said: Because he wasn't *actually* harming Kelsier. Kelsier only felt pain and injury because he thought he should. As soon as Kelsier got his brain to stop being stupid, the pain went away and he was fine Yeah I knew. 'Twas a joke. 1
RShara she/her Posted July 9, 2025 Posted July 9, 2025 Just now, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said: Yeah I knew. 'Twas a joke. Ooops sorry!
Lagundu Posted July 9, 2025 Posted July 9, 2025 Soldi theory. We'll have to keep that in mind moving foward 2 hours ago, TheWarriorPoet said: AonDor Devotion + Dominion Can use; seen in Lost Metal epilogue Didn't he openly get this power at the end of Tress? I think that was the whole reason he was cursed by the Sorceress. 2
TheWarriorPoet he/him Posted July 9, 2025 Author Posted July 9, 2025 1 hour ago, RShara said: So to reiterate from what I said on Discord: Hoid is absolutely interfering with the Shards Hoid can interfere, what i meant is he can not directly fight shards. And i know shards fight each other but if there is some sort of formal contract, they are bound by that. 1 hour ago, RShara said: Odium and Honor directly interfered in both Ashyn and Roshar until they agreed on the contract between the three of them. Exactly my point 1 hour ago, RShara said: Hoid can't hurt or kill because of holding the Dawnshard Exist. You can see it affecting Sigzil the same way Adonalsium being reformed in any way is too similar to Wheel of Time for Brandon to want to do I didnt find any definitive answer to hoid being unable to kill because of Dawnshard, maybe i missed something but on coppermind i found something, in one line it says what you are saying, in the very next line it says lumanor says hoid can't hurt others because it is forbidden by other gods, pretty sure other gods here means shards and not dawnshards. I am attaching screenshot 1 hour ago, RShara said: You said on Discord that you used ChatGPT to help you write this, which explains a lot of the incorrect premises. ChatGPT is usually only correct something like 20-30% of the time. Don't use it Unfortunately i can't do anything about your choice of not understanding, i mentioned very clearly on discord too that the thought and theory is all mine but i used GPT to format it and i don't see any issues with that, i have been using gpt plus for more then a year for many tasks and it produces result with human insights. ofcourse if you ask it to write a cosmere novella it will produce something weird but if you will tell him "that you believe hoid can be the villain who is working towards a long term goal of becoming a God who is more powerful then shards or maybe even adonalsium and you want to expand on this theory, it will give you pointed answers which you can counter and then rework. it can be wrong and it can be write, but ofcourse its about personal choice, i am comfortable working with GenAI tools so i am ok with it, i know people who don't understand how to use these and will always say dont trust them. You chose what you believe and i chose what i believe 1 hour ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said: Alright, waiting for Odium to burn through all the Shards? ChatGPT obviously hasn't read WaT yet I'm afraid. You are right about it if you are talking about wind and truth, still on day 8
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted July 9, 2025 Posted July 9, 2025 2 minutes ago, TheWarriorPoet said: You are right about it if you are talking about wind and truth, still on day 8 ... Are you aware that this subforum is spoilers for everything except Emberdark?
TheWarriorPoet he/him Posted July 9, 2025 Author Posted July 9, 2025 2 minutes ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said: ... Are you aware that this subforum is spoilers for everything except Emberdark? i am, but i am someone who reads spoilers before i read book. but don't tell spoilers now because i am almost finished with day 8
RShara she/her Posted July 9, 2025 Posted July 9, 2025 Quote Hoid can interfere, what i meant is he can not directly fight shards. And i know shards fight each other but if there is some sort of formal contract, they are bound by that. He can't directly fight Shards because they would wipe him from existence with barely a thought, not because of any contract 4 hours ago, TheWarriorPoet said: 5 hours ago, RShara said: Odium and Honor directly interfered in both Ashyn and Roshar until they agreed on the contract between the three of them. Exactly my point No, your point was they agreed to a contract at the Shattering. This was done only among the 3 Shards, thousands of years after the Shattering. If a pact already bound them, they wouldn't need to agree amongst themselves. Quote I didnt find any definitive answer to hoid being unable to kill because of Dawnshard, maybe i missed something but on coppermind i found something, in one line it says what you are saying, in the very next line it says lumanor says hoid can't hurt others because it is forbidden by other gods, pretty sure other gods here means shards and not dawnshards. I am attaching screenshot This was explained to you on Discord. The Dawnshard is the reason why Hoid can't kill or fight. We see Sigzil having the same problem after he carried it for a much shorter period. The Coppermind quote is specifically a tale told by Rock to Kaladin. Filtered through his people's myths and legends and religion, he believes that the god he thinks Hoid is was bound by the other gods. It's a mythological tale and should not be taken as fact. 6
TheWarriorPoet he/him Posted July 10, 2025 Author Posted July 10, 2025 14 hours ago, RShara said: He can't directly fight Shards because they would wipe him from existence with barely a thought, not because of any contract If you think this about Hoid then you probably know less about the entire cosmere then you claim chat gpt knows. i dont know which book or interview or tidbit gave you this idea that hoid is so powerless that he could be wiped from existence by any shard with barely a thought. I dont think brandon is working so hard into building a character who is almost the only consistent character throughout the cosmere to be so powerless. 14 hours ago, RShara said: No, your point was they agreed to a contract at the Shattering. This was done only among the 3 Shards, thousands of years after the Shattering. If a pact already bound them, they wouldn't need to agree amongst themselves. My Point is that once a contract is made, it is binding to everyone. I don't think that the only contract in existence is between these 3 shards; there can be other contracts as well. And i talked about a pact between Hoid and vessels at the time of shattering. I assume at that time, vessels were not planning to kill each other or take multiple shards hence they didn't needed a contract between themselves. 14 hours ago, RShara said: The Coppermind quote is specifically a tale told by Rock to Kaladin. Filtered through his people's myths and legends and religion, he believes that the god he thinks Hoid is was bound by the other gods. It's a mythological tale and should not be taken as fact. You might be right, but i searched and i didn't find anywhere Brandon confirming this, at best it was "Maybe" And have you read about the Letters, where Hoid and Frost are conversing with each other? I think they imply that Frost and Hoid are powers more ancient and more powerful than we understand as of now. It is my understanding that frost regrets the shatterring mostly because of its outcome when he says " is not the destruction we have wrought enough?" and "Our interference so far has brought nothing but pain." and most importantly "You, however, have never been a force for equilibrium. You tow chaos behind you like a corpse dragged by one leg through the snow. Please, hearken to my plea. Leave that place and join me in my oath of nonintervention. The cosmere itself may depend upon our restraint." I think that these words clearly shows that hoid is not as powerless as you assume him to be. And i will say it again, its just a anti theory i have come up with, i don't think we are going to get a answer to this till the time we have Hoid's story published
RShara she/her Posted July 10, 2025 Posted July 10, 2025 (edited) Quote If you think this about Hoid then you probably know less about the entire cosmere then you claim chat gpt knows. i dont know which book or interview or tidbit gave you this idea that hoid is so powerless that he could be wiped from existence by any shard with barely a thought. I dont think brandon is working so hard into building a character who is almost the only consistent character throughout the cosmere to be so powerless. Please stay away from the personal insults. Hoid himself says it. Quote “I will do what I can to help,” Wit said, “and for that reason, I must go. I cannot risk too much, because if he finds me, then I become nothing—a soul shredded and broken into pieces that cannot be reassembled. What I do here is more dangerous than you could ever know.” He turned to go. “Wit,” Dalinar called. “Yes?” “If who finds you?” “The one you fight, Dalinar Kholin. The father of hatred.” Wit saluted, then jogged off. Plus, Retribution literally vaporized him at the end of WaT. If he hadn't had the foresight to stash away a cell culture, he would be completely dead. Quote My Point is that once a contract is made, it is binding to everyone. I don't think that the only contract in existence is between these 3 shards; there can be other contracts as well. And i talked about a pact between Hoid and vessels at the time of shattering. And I'm saying if there had been a contract of nonaggression/nonintervention/etc, then there wouldn't have needed to be another contract between Odium, Honor, and Cultivation to stop them from doing those things. Which they were very freely doing before they agreed to the contract. Quote I assume at that time, vessels were not planning to kill each other or take multiple shards hence they didn't needed a contract between themselves. I'm confused. You literally said Quote After the Shattering — regardless of how or why it occurred — Hoid and the 16 Shards formed a cosmic pact: No direct violence between Vessels. No direct interference in mortal wars. No unification of the Shards. No Dawnshard-fueled conquest. And I'm pointing out that all four of those were disproven in the text. Heck, just in WaT, let alone Stormlight and Mistborn. Clearly no such pact existed before the three swore themselves against the first three. The 4th is untrue from reasons given in Dawnshard and the end of WaT. The Sleepless guarded Change because it could destroy worlds, and Hoid couldn't let Retribution have Exist for the same reason Quote "You, however, have never been a force for equilibrium. You tow chaos behind you like a corpse dragged by one leg through the snow. Please, hearken to my plea. Leave that place and join me in my oath of nonintervention. The cosmere itself may depend upon our restraint." I mean, this is proof that Hoid did not swear any sort of non-intervention oath? Quote You might be right, but i searched and i didn't find anywhere Brandon confirming this, at best it was "Maybe" I'm not sure why you need a WoB? We see Rock tell Kaladin this story. We see Sigzil affected by the same Torment as Hoid, being unable to harm or kill. We don't need a WoB to confirm things that are shown in the books. Quote “I think her condition and mine might be similar,” he said, narrowing his eyes at Elegy. “When I adopted the Dawnshard from Wit, it created my Torment. Too much Investiture, taken in too quickly, warping my very being.” Why didn’t it warp Wit? “I think it did. He just hides it well. Either way, when I gave away the Dawnshard, it left me changed. With a kind of scar tissue on my soul. That’s the Torment. The strange Connection I have to all places at once, the ability to feed on Investiture, the ability to Skip from location to location—but also the curse of not being able to fight back. Quote And i will say it again, its just a anti theory i have come up with, i don't think we are going to get a answer to this till the time we have Hoid's story published And I'm trying to say the premise is faulty. Most of them are disproven just in WaT, and the rest in the other books Edited July 10, 2025 by RShara 6
Nitpicking Posted July 11, 2025 Posted July 11, 2025 22 hours ago, RShara said: I mean, this is proof that Hoid did not swear any sort of non-intervention oath? In his letter, Frost actually asks Hoid to join him and his Seventeenth Shard in an oath of non-intervention. Why would he plead with Hoid to do something Hoid already did? 3
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted July 11, 2025 Posted July 11, 2025 15 minutes ago, Nitpicking said: In his letter, Frost actually asks Hoid to join him and his Seventeenth Shard in an oath of non-intervention. Why would he plead with Hoid to do something Hoid already did? Hoid did not swear a non-intervention oath. In fact, he has intervened greatly. 3
TheWarriorPoet he/him Posted July 12, 2025 Author Posted July 12, 2025 On 7/10/2025 at 2:21 PM, RShara said: Please stay away from the personal insults. I didn't meant it as a personal insult, just said it in the premise as you keep telling me my using chat gpt doesn't make sense, i didn't think it was personal insult to me but if you felt i insulted you, i honestly didn't mean it. On 7/10/2025 at 2:21 PM, RShara said: Hoid himself says it. On 7/10/2025 at 2:21 PM, RShara said: “I will do what I can to help,” Wit said, “and for that reason, I must go. I cannot risk too much, because if he finds me, then I become nothing—a soul shredded and broken into pieces that cannot be reassembled. What I do here is more dangerous than you could ever know.” He turned to go. “Wit,” Dalinar called. “Yes?” “If who finds you?” “The one you fight, Dalinar Kholin. The father of hatred.” Wit saluted, then jogged off. Write he said it, and in wind and truth as you said it was done by Retribution and i just finished it but since he already had a backup plan prepared says something about wit, doesn't it? He didn't prepared a cell culture in 10 days since dalinar's meeting with odium to the night of sorrows, right? Can we assume he was lying about it earlier? I suppose its part of storytelling because if we know everything about hoid/wit then he wont remain mystery for the rest of cosmere series books. Now another thing i want to point out, Retribution with combined power of 2 shards used his might to vaporize wit, now how will he feel if Wit just returned? If i understand the premise before vaporization, retribution did it becaue he was afraid of "the only person who can harm him". Now i do not know about anyone else but if i felt threatened by someone and killed him by vaporizing him and found him strolling in streets a few weeks later, i will be terrified of the person for sure. On 7/10/2025 at 2:21 PM, RShara said: And I'm saying if there had been a contract of nonaggression/nonintervention/etc, then there wouldn't have needed to be another contract between Odium, Honor, and Cultivation to stop them from doing those things. Which they were very freely doing before they agreed to the contract. Once again, there was no formal contract before the one between Honor and Odium, if there was i am not aware of it. For me what they were doing before they agreed to contract was non binding. What frost had is a Nonintervention policy which is something personal to him and not any contract, what i wanted to point out when i mentioned those letters was that hoid definetely have some power which can have a big impact on cosmere On 7/10/2025 at 2:21 PM, RShara said: "You, however, have never been a force for equilibrium. You tow chaos behind you like a corpse dragged by one leg through the snow. Please, hearken to my plea. Leave that place and join me in my oath of nonintervention. The cosmere itself may depend upon our restraint." I think i may have badly phrased it earlier but to clear it - Non-intervention here meant he will not do anything about anything happenning in cosmere but it was about frost and not Hoid. If hoid was in Non-intervention pact, we probably wouldn't have the cosmere series of books. On 7/10/2025 at 2:21 PM, RShara said: I'm not sure why you need a WoB? We see Rock tell Kaladin this story. We see Sigzil affected by the same Torment as Hoid, being unable to harm or kill. We don't need a WoB to confirm things that are shown in the books. If i am correct in my understanding, before the final day of the Fight of champions specifically Rysn's interlude, all the shards and everyone in the cosmere including the readers knew that Hoid had a dawnshard but he gave it up and the effects have altered his soul, now all of a sudden we know that he was holding the dawnshard all along, maybe he gave it up for a little while but then he quitely picked it up again and no one noticed, right? Can this mean that we still have a lot to figure out about hoid? On 7/11/2025 at 1:05 PM, Nitpicking said: In his letter, Frost actually asks Hoid to join him and his Seventeenth Shard in an oath of non-intervention. Why would he plead with Hoid to do something Hoid already did? Hi, Frost's nonintervention means he will not intervene in anything throughout the cosmere, which i am pretty sure he will reconsider when we come to hoid's storyline but for Hoid i am saying he will not directly fight a shard, he had been interfering in the cosmere probably since before it was called cosmere
Nitpicking Posted July 12, 2025 Posted July 12, 2025 On 7/11/2025 at 3:51 AM, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said: Hoid did not swear a non-intervention oath. In fact, he has intervened greatly. Yes. That's what I was implying with my rhetorical question. Obviously, Frost wouldn't waste his time asking Hoid to do something he had already done.
coolsnow7 Posted August 5, 2025 Posted August 5, 2025 On 7/9/2025 at 5:39 AM, TheWarriorPoet said: We know Hoid. The clever storyteller. The worldhopper. The man with many names — and too many secrets. He doesn’t kill. He doesn’t fight. He doesn’t rule. But what if that’s not because he’s good — but because he’s bound? What if the greatest con in the Cosmere… is the one Hoid played on the gods themselves? THE SETUP At the Shattering of Adonalsium, sixteen individuals ascended to become Shard Vessels. Brandon has confirmed that Hoid was offered a Shard and refused — and that he was friends with several of the Vessels before the Shattering. But what if that friendship was a mask? What if Hoid’s true motive was always to remove Adonalsium from the board — not to take power for himself, but to ensure no one else could stop him later? THE PACT After the Shattering — regardless of how or why it occurred — Hoid and the 16 Shards formed a cosmic pact: No direct violence between Vessels. No direct interference in mortal wars. No unification of the Shards. No Dawnshard-fueled conquest. This was not peace. It was containment. Each Shard was terrifying. But Hoid… Hoid was unpredictable. And they all agreed: “We will not strike with swords. We will strike with story.” HOID’S REAL GOAL: REPLACE ADONALSIUM WITHOUT TAKING A SHARD Instead of seizing a Shard, Hoid began a new path: To collect the echo of each Shard’s power — and rebuild divinity inside himself. Every magic system in the Cosmere is a manifestation of Shardic Intent. And Hoid is deliberately gathering them, one by one: Magic System Shard Hoid’s Access Allomancy Preservation Consumed a lerasium bead (Secret History) Feruchemy? Preservation/Ruin Strongly implied in The Lost Metal Awakening Endowment Confirmed; may hold a Divine Breath AonDor Devotion + Dominion Can use; seen in Lost Metal epilogue Surgebinding Honor/Cultivation Bonded a Cryptic (Lightweaver) Lightweaving Yolen (???) Origin unknown, possibly pre-Shattering Fortune ??? Uses it to be "where he needs to be" Yolen Magic Pre-Shattering Unexplained, but likely fundamental He’s not hoarding Investiture at random — he’s building a spiritual resonance that reflects the entire Cosmere. A self-made god without Intent, without Shardic madness. When the Shards eventually fade, Splinter, or collapse (as we’ve seen with Honor, Devotion, Dominion, Ambition…), the power will flow to the only being capable of harmonizing with all of it: Hoid. WHY HE DOESN’T INTERVENE Because he can’t. He’s still bound by the Pact of Peace — or possibly by his Dawnshard’s limitations (we know he once held the Dawnshard of Change). He doesn’t kill. He doesn’t fight. He tells stories. He manipulates events through words, art, and chance. Because that’s the only weapon the pact allows him to use. He is playing by the rules… While bending the story to his will. ENDGAME: THE COSMERE WILL BECOME HIM What if Hoid isn’t trying to stop Odium… He’s waiting for Odium to burn through the other Shards — until the power is free. What if he’s preparing to become something worse — or more divine — than Adonalsium? Not a tyrant. Not a savior. But a narrative being with the power of all, and the binding of none. The Shards are gods fractured by Intent. Hoid will be a god unified by story. TL;DR: After the Shattering, Hoid and the Shards created a Pact of Non-Intervention — no direct violence, no mortal warfare. Hoid doesn’t intervene because he’s bound by the pact — not by morality. Instead of holding a Shard, he’s collecting resonances of each Shard’s power via magic systems. His endgame is to replace Adonalsium, not by taking power — but by becoming the only soul compatible with all of it. The final threat to the Cosmere might not be Odium… It might be the man who’s been narrating the whole thing. What do you think? Could Hoid be preparing to override the Shards by becoming the soul of the Cosmere itself? Or is this just another trick in a very long story? Looking forward to your thoughts and counter-theories. -The Warrior Poet I just want to say that I’d be far more willing to entertain your theory if you wrote it normally. This exaggerated phony dramatization (be honest, ChatGPT wrote this right?) is intolerable. And bonus, it’s meaningless - I don’t know what “a god unified by story” means. Anyway the kernel of a new idea here - that Hoid was arranging this all from before the Shattering - I find too conspiratorial to make work. The idea that Hoid is seeking to replace Adonalsium has been proposed before; see here. I also don’t see any evidence that there was a pact that bound anyone, much less Hoid. On 7/10/2025 at 3:36 AM, TheWarriorPoet said: If you think this about Hoid then you probably know less about the entire cosmere then you claim chat gpt knows. i dont know which book or interview or tidbit gave you this idea that hoid is so powerless that he could be wiped from existence by any shard with barely a thought. I dont think brandon is working so hard into building a character who is almost the only consistent character throughout the cosmere to be so powerless. This is gonna be funny to come back to… 2
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