Pick three invested arts

[BigBadBagsworth He/him/his]

Your task is simple: pick three invested arts (List: Surges, metallic arts, awakening, aether bonds, ore basically anything else u can think of. One metal for Allomancy or feruchemy and one surge if surgebinding, though you can double up on the same art) for one person to have. If we get enough interesting combinations, I wanna see if we can get this moved to forum games and have a gladiator fight. 

mine:

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Slider, Subsumer, bonded to a midnight Aether.

My reasoning:

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You can store hydration in a hydration mind, then compound it to get a ridiculus amount of water, then give it to the aether for functionally infinite midnight essence.

 

 

Edited May 13, 2025 by Radon

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

59 minutes ago, Radon said:

Your task is simple: pick three invested arts (List: Surges, metallic arts, awakening, aether bonds, ore basically anything else u can think of. One metal for Allomancy or feruchemy and one surge if surgebinding, though you can double up on the same art) for one person to have. If we get enough interesting combinations, I wanna see if we can get this moved to forum games and have a gladiator fight. 

mine:

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Slider, Subsumer, bonded to a midnight Aether

 

DOUBLE ATIUM COMPOUNDING TWINBORN WITH SOULCASTING

[Trusk'our he/him]

2 hours ago, Radon said:

Your task is simple: pick three invested arts (List: Surges, metallic arts, awakening, aether bonds, ore basically anything else u can think of. One metal for Allomancy or feruchemy and one surge if surgebinding, though you can double up on the same art) for one person to have. If we get enough interesting combinations, I wanna see if we can get this moved to forum games and have a gladiator fight. 

mine:

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Slider, Subsumer, bonded to a midnight Aether

 

Question: what is the limit to a single ability?

If I choose Breath as one of my powers, do I get only one Breath, or can I choose the God-King's hoard?

If I choose Surgebinding, can I choose a Bondsmith's spiritual Adhesion?

Can I choose a biological ability, such as a Singer's Spren bonding ability or a Kandra's shape-shifting?

[Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him]

Chromium Compunder twinborn with Tension

[BigBadBagsworth He/him/his]

@Trusk'our If you choose breath you get a reasonable amount of breath - maybe 2500 - and some practice with awakening. You could choose a bondmith's powers, but they wouldn't be the unchained bondsmith powers of Dainar or Ishar. You cannot choose a biological ability.

@Oh Bel Wow. Just wow. I can see that you thought this through. why Tension tho?

Edited May 13, 2025 by Radon

[Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him]

1 hour ago, Radon said:

@Oh Bel Wow. Just wow. I can see that you thought this through. why Tension tho?

I like Tension like if I were to pick up like some cloth I could just like have a sword its OP

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

Just three ey?

I think I'd go with Allomantic Pewter, Feruchemical Steel and the Surge of Transformation.

Allomantic Pewter, because it's a flat, magical boost to your everything, not just strength and speed, but also balance, endurance, healing, reflexes, and probably more. 

Feruchemical Steel because it's busted as rust. But mainly for it's amazing synergy with Allomancy and especially with Pewter Allomancy. A lesser known aspect of F-Steel is a WOB that states that by tapping speed, you also increase the speed of your metals being burned. So if I tapped speed while burning pewter, my metal burning speed will increase, which results in more power in a way similar to Duralumin, resulting in a bigger boost from burning pewter.

Plus, the enhanced speed from pewter will make filling my steelminds so much more bearable.

And finally, the Surge of Transformation, because Soulcasting is a great choice when combined with the Metallic Arts, since with it you can create whatever metals you need whenever you want out of whatever you want. So, I'll never need to worry about running out of pewter, so long as I have Stormlight to breathe in.

And Soulkcasting is perhaps the most versatile Surge of all. I can create not just the metals I need, but can turn my enemies into stone, make food out of rocks, turn walls into smoke and so much more.

And if perhaps my Feruchemical Speed could enhance my Surge like it does with my Allomancy, all the better.

I'd be running at ludicrous speeds, untouchable to my enemies while tapping them and Soulcasting them into whatever I feel like, with all my basic needs met so long as I live on Roshar.

[The Great Wyver She/Her]

I'd go compounding chromium with either edgdancer slippery thingy or soulcasting

[Entr0pic He/him]

Question: if we choose an individual surge, are we assuming it works like a fused, or like a radiant? Let’s take transportation for example. Would it work like the fused one, where the user turns into a spren-like ball that can then be used to travel, or radiant transportation which would allow you to elsecall?

Edited May 13, 2025 by Entr0pic

[BigBadBagsworth He/him/his]

@Wyver @Oh Bel First, if this ever becomes a gladiator fight, I'm a say no fortune.

@Oh Bel but u could just FLY! in, like, 3 different ways!!!

@Entr0pic Lets say that you could choose either, powered by their respective lights.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

15 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

DOUBLE ATIUM COMPOUNDING TWINBORN WITH SOULCASTING

 

4 minutes ago, Radon said:

@Wyver @Oh Bel First, if this ever becomes a gladiator fight, I'm a say no fortune.

@Oh Bel but u could just FLY! in, like, 3 different ways!!!

@Entr0pic Lets say that you could choose either, powered by their respective lights.

look at mine

[The Great Wyver She/Her]

27 minutes ago, Radon said:

@Wyver @Oh Bel First, if this ever becomes a gladiator fight, I'm a say no fortune.

@Oh Bel but u could just FLY! in, like, 3 different ways!!!

@Entr0pic Lets say that you could choose either, powered by their respective lights.

Aww.... um Bendalloy Allomancy with 2500 breaths and SOULCASTING 

so I could soulcast stuff into humans then do a funny YOUR MY SLAVE NOW

[grahambam he/him]

bend alloy, lashing and a really powerful amberite aether

also do shards count as an investid power or ability?

Edited May 13, 2025 by grahambam
add stuff

[Duxredux he/him]

I know people will ask these questions kinds of questions, so I'll ask them up front.

How much Investiture for each given Invested art? If we're giving 2500 Breaths to the Awakener (which is enough to grant them immortality), are we giving an equivalent amount for each of the 3 abilities? Enough Allomantic shavings, metalmind reserves, etc. to equate 2500 BEUs of output?

Arena? Actual Colosseum of Rome? Environment is pretty important for the Metallic Arts.

Supplemental equipment, or is everyone pretty much just in jeans and a t-shirt unless their ability states otherwise?

 

Just to poke at what I expect the meta to be, I'll go with:

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Allomantic Duralumin and Allomantic Brass (if A-Duraluming needs to be Hemalurgically granted, so be it), and Soulcasting. Repeated blast the entire arena with enhanced AoE Soothing until my opponent slows down enough (assuming a flier or Steelrunner) for me to focus the entire Soothing on them as an individual. Walk up to them, disarm them if relevant, make some Aluminum, and either stab, hemalurgically stab, or encase them in Aluminum. 

Yes, I know about the cool down. I still expect this to still be brutal enough that anyone not specifically trained or conditioned to withstand this to be incapacitated long enough for me to run up and stab them.

Yeah, this goes down pretty quickly to someone in full Shardplate, so pending on the response to whether or not Shardbearer equipment is allowed, we'll see if I come up with something different. 

This build would be very unpopular for a live gladiatorial audience, and probably pretty boring for a televised audience.

I probably won't participate in the forum game, my schedule is a mite unpredictable these days, but if anyone else wants to use this build, go for it.

[BigBadBagsworth He/him/his]

@CoderDrag0n8 Why is atium compounding good? Congrats - you're a baby now.

@grahambam Ambrite is the name it's given in The Aether of Night, which isn't canon. in the canon cosmere, the aether's called rosite, and the aether bond is symbiotic and requires water to use; you get magic powers, the aether, which is canonically alive and sentient, gets water to live. And no, shards don't count.

@Duxredux Yeah, let's assume that if your form of investure has mana of some type, you have 2500 BEUs. let's say the arena is a suare grassy feild with some trees and a stone tower in the center. Maybe sweatpants and a t-shirt.

[Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him]

If I cannot have Chromium Componding then I would Like to have Speed compounding

3 hours ago, Radon said:

@Oh Bel but u could just FLY! in, like, 3 different ways!!!

 

With tension I could fly. I could use some cloth or something to attack myself to something flying and I can make it airtight so I could go between planets for only the cost of a sheet.

Edited May 13, 2025 by Oh Bel

[The Great Wyver She/Her]

3 hours ago, Radon said:

@CoderDrag0n8 Why is atium compounding good? Congrats - you're a baby now.

@grahambam Ambrite is the name it's given in The Aether of Night, which isn't canon. in the canon cosmere, the aether's called rosite, and the aether bond is symbiotic and requires water to use; you get magic powers, the aether, which is canonically alive and sentient, gets water to live. And no, shards don't count.

@Duxredux Yeah, let's assume that if your form of investure has mana of some type, you have 2500 BEUs. let's say the arena is a suare grassy feild with some trees and a stone tower in the center. Maybe sweatpants and a t-shirt.

Is mine good for battle?

AKA:

Allomancy - Bendalloy

2500 Breaths

Soulcasting

[grahambam he/him]

probobly, i mean you could make a army of lifeless with ichor.

you would be unstobable.

 

[DoctaDajman]

So I really like stormlight and lifelight. On their own they hit a bunch of different benefits. I will pass up stormlight for access to lifelight and I will take Lift's boon. 

With the ability to metabolize nutrition into lifelight, I will next take bendalloy compounding with the hopes of rocking nearly endless lifelight when needed.  

Bonus... because lifelight is pure kinetic investiture I could use the bendalloy purely for fueling the lifelight while using lifelight to fuel the slider power. 

 

[BigBadBagsworth He/him/his]

@Wyver My analysis:

bendalloy allomancy is very good for isolating single opponents or for repositioning quickly by small amounts. Good for a power portfolio that already has a lot of combat ability.

2500 breaths would put you I think 1000 breath below instinctive awakening. Good n the current arena, which is a grassy field with some trees, which gives lots of organic material to awaken. @grahambam How exactly do you plan on getting 2500 bodies, hundreds of gallons of ichoralcahol, and the ability to fill the former with the latter on short notice? Especially in an arena with half a dozen people, a bunch of plants, a stone tower, and walled off edges?

Soulcasting power is a spectrum. Inexperienced soulcasters can be extremely impotent (remember ‘I am a stick’?) but, as seen in Oathbringer and RoW, experienced soulcasters are incredibly dangerous. I’d say you’re near the middle of the spectrum; you can confidently soulcast individual things, but have trouble with air and can’t soulcast people. You’d also have to pick a couple favorite essences, like jasnah has.

 

[The Great Wyver She/Her]

2 minutes ago, Radon said:

@Wyver My analysis:

bendalloy allomancy is very good for isolating single opponents or for repositioning quickly by small amounts. Good for a power portfolio that already has a lot of combat ability.

2500 breaths would put you I think 1000 breath below instinctive awakening. Good n the current arena, which is a grassy field with some trees, which gives lots of organic material to awaken. @grahambam How exactly do you plan on getting 2500 bodies, hundreds of gallons of ichoralcahol, and the ability to fill the former with the latter on short notice? Especially in an arena with half a dozen people, a bunch of plants, a stone tower, and walled off edges?

Soulcasting power is a spectrum. Inexperienced soulcasters can be extremely impotent (remember ‘I am a stick’?) but, as seen in Oathbringer and RoW, experienced soulcasters are incredibly dangerous. I’d say you’re near the middle of the spectrum; you can confidently soulcast individual things, but have trouble with air and can’t soulcast people. You’d also have to pick a couple favorite essences, like jasnah has.

 

Alright, since we're in a grassy field, I'd go for natural stuff- stones, trees, grass. OK with food, but terrible with carved stuff like tables, or strong metals like swords, etc. 

[BigBadBagsworth He/him/his]

@DoctaDajman yes, bendalloy is potential investure; it’s investure is basically a combination of ruin’s light and preservation’s light. You can’t use that to fuel Lift’s powers the same way she can’t absorb warlight.

 

I think

[DoctaDajman]

27 minutes ago, Radon said:

@DoctaDajman yes, bendalloy is potential investure; it’s investure is basically a combination of ruin’s light and preservation’s light. You can’t use that to fuel Lift’s powers the same way she can’t absorb warlight.

 

I think

I love the bendalloy compounding for infinite water to fuel aetherbinding. This is the same idea but with lifelight. Lift's boon turns the food she eats into lifelight. Lifelight gives the same, or virtually the same, benefits as stormlight. It is kinetic investiture that she is making from her nutrition, eat a peice of bread and it was the same as breathing in a small sphere or whatever. 

So, exactly like compounding bendalloy to fuel aether growth this is compounding bendalloy to be metabolized into lifelight... and a lot of it. 

But light is different. It can be used to fuel other arts as well. So this character doesnt need bendalloy to fuel their sliding. They would be gaining the benefits of using pure investiture for their allomancy use and be able to create supercharged speed bubbles via the lifelight they are getting from compounded nutrition. 

I know there is supposedly no such thing as infinite investiture glitches but this seems like the most efficient use of it because it is hacking preservation directly with compounding. 

If you could add a 4th ability soulcasting would allow you to soulcast bendalloy as well and I think it would make the greatest self powered battery you are going to find short of creating ones own perpendicularity.  

[Trusk'our he/him]

39 minutes ago, Radon said:

@DoctaDajman yes, bendalloy is potential investure; it’s investure is basically a combination of ruin’s light and preservation’s light. You can’t use that to fuel Lift’s powers the same way she can’t absorb warlight.

 

I think

3 minutes ago, DoctaDajman said:

I love the bendalloy compounding for infinite water to fuel aetherbinding. This is the same idea but with lifelight. Lift's boon turns the food she eats into lifelight. Lifelight gives the same, or virtually the same, benefits as stormlight. It is kinetic investiture that she is making from her nutrition, eat a peice of bread and it was the same as breathing in a small sphere or whatever. 

So, exactly like compounding bendalloy to fuel aether growth this is compounding bendalloy to be metabolized into lifelight... and a lot of it. 

But light is different. It can be used to fuel other arts as well. So this character doesnt need bendalloy to fuel their sliding. They would be gaining the benefits of using pure investiture for their allomancy use and be able to create supercharged speed bubbles via the lifelight they are getting from compounded nutrition. 

I know there is supposedly no such thing as infinite investiture glitches but this seems like the most efficient use of it because it is hacking preservation directly with compounding. 

If you could add a 4th ability soulcasting would allow you to soulcast bendalloy as well and I think it would make the greatest self powered battery you are going to find short of creating ones own perpendicularity.  

Yes, Lift could indeed take the calories from Bendalloy Compounding to generate Lifelight, though Brandon has admitted that it's a somewhat convoluted process.

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Zantis

Let's say Lift received two Hemalurgic spikes: one for Allomantic bendalloy and one for Feruchemical bendalloy. Then she eats a bunch of pancakes, stores the nutrition in a piece of bendalloy, burns it to compound nutrition. Can that nutrition be turned into Stormlight?

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah.  Yeah, but remember she didn't have to be-- so basically what that-- Is just a really complicated way for her to turn Allomantic Investiture-- so that it can allocate Allomantic Investiture into Stormlight. That would be a complex method of doing that. Just transferring one type of Investiture into another. It's just basically drawing from Ruin and she is then turning it into Stormlight-ish? It's a complicated thing, but that's basically what happens, just really crazy.

Zantis

Okay, so-- but it is the same sort of thing, right? *hesitant nod from Brandon* And--

Brandon Sanderson

I hope that eventually in the cosmere they will find easier ways than that.

 

[..... he/him]

On 5/12/2025 at 6:24 PM, Radon said:

Your task is simple: pick three invested arts (List: Surges, metallic arts, awakening, aether bonds, ore basically anything else u can think of. One metal for Allomancy or feruchemy and one surge if surgebinding, though you can double up on the same art) for one person to have. If we get enough interesting combinations, I wanna see if we can get this moved to forum games and have a gladiator fight. 

mine:

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Slider, Subsumer, bonded to a midnight Aether.

My reasoning:

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You can store hydration in a hydration mind, then compound it to get a ridiculus amount of water, then give it to the aether for functionally infinite midnight essence.

 

 

1. A-pewter 

2. 2500 breaths

3. soulcasting/ F-nicrosil If you do the 2500 BEU’s worth of Investiture for metalminds then I choose nicrosil otherwise I choose soulcasting

The build here is this: I will be constantly flaring pewter using my metal. However, I will simultaneously be using my breaths to power my pewter essentially supercharging it, this will give me insane amounts of strength, durability, visible healing and insane amounts of speed similar to a steelrunner on lower levels of tapping. I will not use my breaths for anything else. If you give me F-nicrosil I will assume it stores parts of your spirit web and use all 2,500 BEU’s to store the part of my spirit web that grants me allomancy and then I will tap it to supercharge my pewter even more. if I end up using soulcasting instead then I will use the soulcasting to generally interfere with other people and use it how a normal soulcaster would and also make giant hammers.

4 hours ago, Radon said:

let's assume that if your form of investure has mana of some type, you have 2500 BEUs

the problem with that is feruchemy it is technically self powered so if you don't give starting stores they will likely lose quickly. but if you give them a full 2,500 BEU’s worth of investiture to power their feruchemy then they become overpowered and win too fast, you don't need compounding if you have 2,500 BEU’s worth of stores, that'll get you through any fight, it's almost the same thing

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