Mistborn+Radiant?

[Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him]

(Pardon spelling) Now imagine you are a Mistborn that somehow found their way through harmony's perpendiculary (or Ruin/preservations perpendicularys) int shadesmar and you wandered over to Roshar or boated or whatever and since Mistborn theoretically have to go through a traumatic event and "Snap" they are broken enough for a spren so say they get a spren after this how would their abilities be affected? because metal is just the key to investiture for scadrians so could STORMLIGHT power mistborn abilities and metal power radiant abilities?

[#1 Taln Fan he/him]

6 hours ago, Bel Oh said:

(Pardon spelling) Now imagine you are a Mistborn that somehow found their way through harmony's perpendiculary (or Ruin/preservations perpendicularys) int shadesmar and you wandered over to Roshar or boated or whatever and since Mistborn theoretically have to go through a traumatic event and "Snap" they are broken enough for a spren so say they get a spren after this how would their abilities be affected? because metal is just the key to investiture for scadrians so could STORMLIGHT power mistborn abilities and metal power radiant abilities?

Just a heads up, I've moved this post to the Cosmere Discussion forum. The Social Groups, Clans & Guilds forum is for groups of shard users to discuss random stuff generally not related to Brandon's books. Book discussion should go in one of the appropriate book discussion forums 

[Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him]

oh ok thanks

[ChickenBonanza]

Most of this is my understanding, some parts may be incorrect, iunno.

9 hours ago, Bel Oh said:

Mistborn theoretically have to go through a traumatic event and "Snap" they are broken enough for a spren

Thing is, Snapping would be a process that would ‘seal’ the ‘cracks’ generated by undergoing trauma. The emergence of Allomantic sDNA in response to those cracks is a phenomenon seen in multiple places, like Spren having an easier time bonding with mentally, and thus spiritually, ‘damaged’ people. Investiture filling gaps in the soul, one could say.

However, the bonding of a Spren does not strictly require someone to have undergone trauma, it just makes the process easier. It may also be more ‘attractive’ to Spren to be someone ‘damaged,’ someone who is capable and perhaps needs the growth the Nahel bond fosters.

Someone who is more Invested than the average person, like a Mistborn, would have a slightly harder time bonding a Spren, as being Invested makes gaining more Investiture harder. Mistborn, however, are not too highly Invested (relatively) that it would be impossible or too exceptionally difficult, I think.

9 hours ago, Bel Oh said:

so say they get a spren after this how would their abilities be affected? because metal is just the key to investiture for scadrians so could STORMLIGHT power mistborn abilities and metal power radiant abilities?

We don’t see too many examples of such a concept, and when we do it is under exceptional circumstance or by means specifically designed to enable such a thing. However, the following is a plausible possibility, I think.

A Mistborn Surgebinder would not be able to use metal to power their Surgebinder. This would be because an Allomancer burning a metal draws Preservation’s Investiture in a specific mode. Investiture already imbued with a function. Burning pewter would only grant them strength and dexterity, not power a Surge even as byproduct.

Stormlight, however, is a raw form of Investiture. Power without purpose. When drawn in, it could be able to power the individual Allomantic abilities of a Mistborn or their Surges, at the Mistborn Surgebinder’s discretion.

A situation like Vin drawing in the Mists—Preservation’s Mist being analogous to Stormlight—could also be used to power Surges, theoretically.

That is all assuming, however, that powers from separate Shards can cooperate when combined within a single individual. That being in the possession of the same soul bridges the gap that prevents a standard-issue Mistborn from using Stormlight.

It is also be possible that a Mistborn Surgebinder could not do as I have posited. That the Unkeying of Stormlight would be required to power Allomancy, even if one was also a Surgebinder.

Personally, I prefer the former. They’re both plausible, I think, but we have not seen such within the books.

Here are some words which may prove relevant.

Spoiler

Questioner

You've mentioned in the last couple of afterwords that you get interesting results when you mix types of Investiture.

Brandon Sanderson

Yes.

Questioner

Twinborn and Surgebinders on Roshar. Can you mix a form of magic with a source of Investiture? Can say Vasher use Stormlight in place of Breaths or would that require tampering via Hemalurgy or something like that?

Brandon Sanderson

Most of them require tampering. Some of them are a little bit easier than others. It depends on really what you mean. For instance, white sand can be charged in the presence of any Investiture right? It's just-- But that's not really using the magic, it's just charging it with other Investiture. But, you know, it would be very easy, for instance, if you can get yourself Invested-- Like, for instance, it'd be very easy to use Breaths to fuel Windrunning right? Because the oath and the bond and things like that are going to make it pretty easy. However fueling Allomancy with something else is going to be a lot harder. So it really depends on the magic. It's the sort of thing that there will be lots of science in the books dedicated to making happen in the future and you will find some of the processes these work easier than other ones.

DragonCon 2016 (Sept. 3, 2016)

Spoiler

Faera

So in Mistborn, you have to be 'snapped' to awaken Allomantic abilities. Similarly in Stormlight, you have to be 'broken' to release Surgebinding powers.

Are there any connections between these two requirements? Does it have anything to do with the 3 realms?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes and yes.

/r/books AMA 2015 (Aug. 3, 2015)

 

Edited April 24, 2025 by ChickenBonanza

[Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him]

wow thats all I can say, Thank you for answering my question

Edited April 25, 2025 by Bel Oh