nicrocil F-nicrosil

[Entr0pic He/him]

So, as i understand it, storing in your nicrosilmind allows you to store your innate investiture, right? Like your ability to use allomancy. 

So, why doesn’t filling your nicrosilmind cut you off from storing your nicrosilmind, because you’re storing your ability to store innate investiture 

also, on a related note, lets say you have access to f-nicrosil and a-steel (any Allomantic metal would work here) if you stored your a-steel for awhile, then tapped it, what would that even do? Would it increase the strength of your allomancy, because you have more innate investiture, or would nothing happen, or would something else entirely happen?

also, another thing, would you need a separate nicrosilmind be need for each form of innate investiture, like f-tin, or does it just store your innate investiture in general.

Edited February 28, 2025 by Entr0pic

[Quantus he/him]

27 minutes ago, Entr0pic said:

So, as i understand it, storing in your nicrosilmind allows you to store your innate investiture, right? Like your ability to use allomancy. 

So, why doesn’t filling your nicrosilmind cut you off from storing your nicrosilmind, because you’re storing your ability to store innate investiture 

also, on a related note, lets say you have access to f-nicrosil and a-steel (any Allomantic metal would work here) if you stored your a-steel for awhile, then tapped it, what would that even do? Would it increase the strength of your allomancy, because you have more innate investiture, or would nothing happen, or would something else entirely happen?

also, another thing, would you need a separate nicrosilmind be need for each form of innate investiture, like f-tin, or does it just store your innate investiture in general.

Sorry, I may not be understanding your question? Storing and Filling are the same thing.  F-Nicrosil as we currently understand it (which is only medallions and may be different for an actual Ferring) stores the Ability to use a type of Investiture as a Discrete thing the same way Copper stores a Memory, it's a whole thing that goes into and out of storage instead of a bulk commodity sort of thing you accumulate a quantity of.  At least per a WOB that was specifically in the context of Medallions. 

But yes, one popular theory is that a twinborn Ferring storing an allomantic ability for a day would let them operate that allomancy at double-strength for a day, as if they had a Spike to multiply its Power level as we saw during era1.  But we dont know and wont until Era3, he apparently has plans for a Nicrosil ferring character and is saving all information for in-story reveals.  

As to the last question, it probably will depend on whether you can only store the a whole thing (like Copper) or if you can natively store and multiple your strength in a given Power (more like Tin) where separate metalminds are needed for separate variants. 

[Treamayne]

40 minutes ago, Entr0pic said:

So, as i understand it, storing in your nicrosilmind allows you to store your innate investiture, right? Like your ability to use allomancy. 

This is unconfirmed, but a very popular theory. Era 3 will deal heavily with F-Nicrosil as the (current) planned protagonaist is a Nicrosil Ferring. 

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Argent

You've dropped a few tidbits about the plot of the next Mistborn series over the years. Putting all those things together, we have a nicrosil Ferring Terriswoman hacker recruited for fieldwork in an "Allomancer SWAT team" to chase a Mistborn serial killer. Could you give us a more recent and concise pitch/blurb if the above is no longer accurate?

Brandon Sanderson

Ha. That's not far off, as all of those things still exist in the series, though the weight I'll give them is relative. With the Alloy series covering some of the police procedural aspect of storytelling, I'm inching the outlines slowly away from the SWAT idea and toward more spy thriller--but the SWAT team isn't not gone completely. (Of course, who knows what will happen in the intervening years between now and when I write it.)

Stormlight Three Update #4 (Oct. 4, 2016)

 

 

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Calderis

Does the nicrosil portion of the medallions function identitically to how a Soulbearer Ferring would use Nicrosil? 

Brandon Sanderson

Not exactly. The medallion is a little more restrictive, for one thing.

Skyward Pre-Release AMA (Oct. 31, 2018)

 

What we do know is that, somehow, an Excisor allows for Fabrial Nicrosil to store an ability to be granted to the user of the Medallion - and that Medallion's use of Nicrosil is not the same as innate Nicrosil Ferrings. 

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This is an example of why I dislike people stating theories as canon. The "store an ability in Nicrosil" is just a fan theory, but it's bandied about so much that many think it's real rather than speculation. 

(it may be real - but it is not confirmed as real except for medallions)

That's why I tend to call out when I see somebody stating speculation as fact. 

/rant

 

Edited February 28, 2025 by Treamayne
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[Entr0pic He/him]

2 minutes ago, Quantus said:

Sorry, I may not be understanding your question? Storing and Filling are the same thing.  F-Nicrosil as we currently understand it (which is only medallions and may be different for an actual Ferring) stores the Ability to use a type of Investiture as a Discrete thing the same way Copper stores a Memory, it's a whole thing that goes into and out of storage instead of a bulk commodity sort of thing you accumulate a quantity of.  At least per a WOB that was specifically in the context of Medallions. 

 

Upon rereading that, yea, i phrased that weirdly. What I’m asking is essentially, is that if you store your ability to store your abilities, then why doesn’t it cut you off from storing your abilities. 

[jayoda019]

2 hours ago, Entr0pic said:

So, why doesn’t filling your nicrosilmind cut you off from storing your nicrosilmind, because you’re storing your ability to store innate investiture 

I think that it does store your abilities to store your abilities. You are just still able to stop filling it or else you'll just enter a negative feedback loop and suddenly lose all your investiture, which would be sad. (which actually now that I think about it would be a powerful weapon, if you could trigger it on someone else)

2 hours ago, Entr0pic said:

also, on a related note, lets say you have access to f-nicrosil and a-steel (any Allomantic metal would work here) if you stored your a-steel for awhile, then tapped it, what would that even do? Would it increase the strength of your allomancy, because you have more innate investiture, or would nothing happen, or would something else entirely happen?

According to the talk I've heard around F-nicrosil, yes it would boost allomancy almost like a controllable duralumin, like @Quantus said

1 hour ago, Quantus said:

But yes, one popular theory is that a twinborn Ferring storing an allomantic ability for a day would let them operate that allomancy at double-strength for a day, as if they had a Spike to multiply its Power level as we saw during era1.  

 

 

2 hours ago, Entr0pic said:

also, another thing, would you need a separate nicrosilmind be need for each form of innate investiture, like f-tin, or does it just store your innate investiture in general.

I think this depends on the general feeling people see investiture. If the world thinks that they are separate, then like tin you would need a metalmind for each. If they don't it would be more like a coppermind. This is because, from my understanding, the reason tinminds need to be seperate is because each sense is viewed as separate, while your memories are more of a hodgepoge mixture.

as for your last question, I don't think we have an answer, cause none of this is cannon (which I actually didn't know until I read this thread!)

Hope this helps!

Edited February 28, 2025 by jayoda019

[Steel Speedster ♂]

17 hours ago, Entr0pic said:

Upon rereading that, yea, i phrased that weirdly. What I’m asking is essentially, is that if you store your ability to store your abilities, then why doesn’t it cut you off from storing your abilities. 

Because, presumably, you would be able to store each ability individually. You could leave your F-nicrosil at 100% while storing any other abilities completely. If you did try storing your F-nicrosil potency, your storage would become less and less efficient the more of it you stored, so you probably couldn't get to a point where you were storing all of its power at once.