Kaladin space age Cosmere

[bdoble97]

Kaladin and Syl have become my favorite characters in anything I have read. With Adloin and Shallan right behind them. With Kaladin and Syl becoming  immortal. Syl probably already was right? With that being said will (I really hope) Kaladin be a player in the space age of the Cosmere. I believe Mistborn era 4 will be the cosmere books written in the space age but I have been thinking about Kal and Syl being around and jumping on a space ship to go fly around the cosmere. But now that I say this would Syl be able to  physical leave Roshar. Her and Kaladin minds are with the other Oathpack members.  Also thinking can Kaladin go out in space with his shardplate on and fly around. It would be great to read about Kaladin and Syl flying between blast of Lazer fire  and  slicing open a spaceship in a fight. I'll stop now because I could go on and on.

[Ashbringer he/him]

I'm not sure if the Heralds are still trapped on Roshar as Cognitive Shadows (which Kaladin technically is now), or if they're free to go like the spren are now that Honor has left the building.

But it would be interesting to see. One of the things that came up in Sunlit Man was Sigzil thinking Wit was Kaladin, briefly. So he could be very well going around being immortal and saving the worlds.

[Kasimir he/him]

13 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

But it would be interesting to see. One of the things that came up in Sunlit Man was Sigzil thinking Wit was Kaladin, briefly. So he could be very well going around being immortal and saving the worlds.

Space is no excuse to avoid your therapist! He can find you even in space! No spaceship will keep him out!  

[bdoble97]

1 hour ago, Ashbringer said:

I'm not sure if the Heralds are still trapped on Roshar as Cognitive Shadows (which Kaladin technically is now), or if they're free to go like the spren are now that Honor has left the building.

But it would be interesting to see. One of the things that came up in Sunlit Man was Sigzil thinking Wit was Kaladin, briefly. So he could be very well going around being immortal and saving the worlds.

That's it I have to read Sunlit Man I was starting a reread of Way of Kings but to many people have been bring up Sunlitman. I started when I got it from the secret projects but never hand enough time to get into it

[RedBlue]

3 hours ago, bdoble97 said:

That's it I have to read Sunlit Man I was starting a reread of Way of Kings but to many people have been bring up Sunlitman.

I do recommend reading Sunlit Man. It’s a good read and it focuses on what happened to two side characters who were kind of left in the lurch at the end of WaT.

That said, I think fans tend to overstate the importance of the Kaladin mention in Sunlit Man. People want to read it as ‘confirmation’ of whether Kaladin is still alive or not in the space age, but it just isn’t confirmation one way or the other. The text is deliberately ambiguous.

[bdoble97]

6 minutes ago, RedBlue said:

I do recommend reading Sunlit Man. It’s a good read and it focuses on what happened to two side characters who were kind of left in the lurch at the end of WaT.

That said, I think fans tend to overstate the importance of the Kaladin mention in Sunlit Man. People want to read it as ‘confirmation’ of whether Kaladin is still alive or not in the space age, but it just isn’t confirmation one way or the other. The text is deliberately ambiguous.

I just started it Iagain I got to page 124 on my first attempt that's were the book mark was haha. I read the first two chapter while waiting at my daughters dentis appointment but now making dinner. 

[Ninth of the Night]

14 hours ago, RedBlue said:

That said, I think fans tend to overstate the importance of the Kaladin mention in Sunlit Man. People want to read it as ‘confirmation’ of whether Kaladin is still alive or not in the space age, but it just isn’t confirmation one way or the other. The text is deliberately ambiguous.

Exactly. As far as we know, Sigzil hasn't been back to Roshar since leaving at the end of WaT. He likely wouldn't know about Kaladin becoming a Herald. Sig has no idea if his old friend is even still alive or not, he just had a momentary spark of hope then was promptly brought back to reality.

[sourpanda]

Leaving Roshar: We know the spren are able to leave now, as 12124 (since he hadn't been renamed yet) mentioned to Sig; it was Odium, Honor, and Culti's agreement/oath that kept them and their power trapped in the Rosharan system. BUT! I'm not sure whether Braize would impact the Herdalds' ability to leave the system or not.

Space suits: I think this is what Adolin's armour is going to come in super-handy for, and his chicken foot is going to be most notable in his space suit. Shard Plate seems like it would be perfect for regulating a human body in the vacuum of space! However, I don't know how Gravitation would work in space, given that there isn't a massive planet creating gravity wherever you go. Instead, I could see this becoming handy to artificially create gravity on a space ship. I'm super excited to see how moving in space is accomplished in the Cosmere

[Ninth of the Night]

11 minutes ago, sourpanda said:

However, I don't know how Gravitation would work in space, given that there isn't a massive planet creating gravity wherever you go.

That shouldn't have any impact on Lashings, as they use Investiture to simulate gravity pulling you in whichever direction you choose. I imagine it will be the most important Surge for spaceflight.

That and Plate should make traveling through space pretty simple, mechanically speaking. Distance is another issue entirely. Sigzil actually states in Sunlit Man that he can easily survive in a vacuum.

Spoiler

“I don’t need to breathe,” he said. “Quirk of my heritage. I mean, I like breathing. Feels normal, lets me talk. Better to use natural processes to oxygenate the blood when possible. But I don’t strictly need it. And I can take a vacuum without much trouble. Been doing that for decades.”

-TSM Ch 23

Personally I'm most looking forward to cosmere space fights. So many cool possibilities.

[sourpanda]

32 minutes ago, Ninth of the Night said:

That shouldn't have any impact on Lashings, as they use Investiture to simulate gravity pulling you in whichever direction you choose. I imagine it will be the most important Surge for spaceflight.

That and Plate should make traveling through space pretty simple, mechanically speaking. Distance is another issue entirely. Sigzil actually states in Sunlit Man that he can easily survive in a vacuum.

You're totally right about Lashings, I forgot how the worked for a second I bet you're right - Rosharans will probably use this, while the Scadrians will use their medallions to move through space.

Sig and Vienta actually talk about experimenting with speed and distance via Elsegate and I would love to see someone experiment with that like Kal and Bridge 4 did. That being said, I think Sig's ability to use any sort of Investiture he can + his Torment are what allow him to survive in a vacuum. So a Knight Radiant with enough Stormlight might be able to, but someone like Adolin might have to stay in their Plate. Unless they get some fancy Lashings that can keep their body from sploding. 

Or they could just be lame and skip right to Elsegates, but there has to be some sort of cap on that. Like, you need Connection to wherever you're going in order to open the gate on the other side or something like that. I feel like all the fabrial development would be a waste though.

[bdoble97]

Reading Sunlit Man now for the 2nd time didn't finish it te 1st time but I am liking it alot more know who Nomad and AUX are. 

[Nitpicking]

On 2/25/2025 at 4:08 PM, sourpanda said:

Leaving Roshar: We know the spren are able to leave now, as 12124 (since he hadn't been renamed yet) ...

Spoiler for non-cipher enthusiasts below:
 

Spoiler

12124. Break it into three groups: 01 21 24. Use the simplest Caesarian cipher: 1=a, 2=b ...

01 21 24 becomes "A U X".

 

On 2/25/2025 at 4:30 PM, Ninth of the Night said:

That shouldn't have any impact on Lashings, as they use Investiture to simulate gravity pulling you in whichever direction you choose. I imagine it will be the most important Surge for spaceflight.

That and Plate should make traveling through space pretty simple, mechanically speaking. Distance is another issue entirely. Sigzil actually states in Sunlit Man that he can easily survive in a vacuum.

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“I don’t need to breathe,” he said. “Quirk of my heritage. I mean, I like breathing. Feels normal, lets me talk. Better to use natural processes to oxygenate the blood when possible. But I don’t strictly need it. And I can take a vacuum without much trouble. Been doing that for decades.”

-TSM Ch 23

Personally I'm most looking forward to cosmere space fights. So many cool possibilities.

Sigzil doesn't need to breathe because of the Dawnshard Exist's lingering effects. It's very hard to kill him. Not as hard as Wit/Hoid/Topaz, who literally can't die as long as a single living cell of him remains, but it's hard.

[BridgeBoi]

Also it is mentioned throughout the books that radiants don't need to breathe as long as they have stormlight. Since Shardplate regulates pressure, and stormlight removes oxygen requirements, I could see the radiants as a whole becoming a space age fighting force to be reckoned with. Urithithu as a spaceship anyone...

[Ninth of the Night]

19 hours ago, Nitpicking said:

Sigzil doesn't need to breathe because of the Dawnshard Exist's lingering effects. It's very hard to kill him.

My point was that with enough Investiture anyone can survive the vacuum of space relatively easily. Raboniel also mentions sending Heavenly Ones to try it out once but they died within hours due to the strange pressures and not bringing enough Voidlight. Living Shardplate would likely mitigate the dangers even more. Plus Voidlight isn't as potent as other forms of Investiture due to Odium being stingy.

And please excuse my nitpick of your nitpick, Sigzil's survivability is due to always being Invested. The Dawnshard presumably gave him the ability to absorb any type of Investiture to sustain him, but if he runs out he's just as vulnerable as anyone else. He flirts with death a few times in Sunlit Man, heck he almost dies in the first chapter. It's effectively no different than a Radiant with Stormlight.

Edited February 27, 2025 by Ninth of the Night

[Nitpicking]

I disagree with you, I'm afraid, Ninth.

Remember, at the end of WaT, Hoid survives being vaporized by a god ... while he isn't a Dawnshard. The lingering effects of the Dawnshard continue even after you give it up, demonstrably. I think Sig is probably harder to kill than he realizes himself.

[RedBlue]

3 hours ago, Nitpicking said:

Remember, at the end of WaT, Hoid survives being vaporized by a god ... while he isn't a Dawnshard. The lingering effects of the Dawnshard continue even after you give it up, demonstrably. I think Sig is probably harder to kill than he realizes himself.

I don’t think we can assume that a Dawnshard has the exact same effect on all its previous holders.

Especially since it appears that Dawnshards warp the soul of their holders gradually over time, not all at once. That suggests the lingering effects will be to a greater or lesser degree depending on how long you held it for.

[Nitpicking]

15 minutes ago, RedBlue said:

Especially since it appears that Dawnshards warp the soul of their holders gradually over time, not all at once. That suggests the lingering effects will be to a greater or lesser degree depending on how long you held it for.

I'm sure that this is correct. I just think it would have an effect on Sigzil. I don't know that he could survive beheading, as Topaz does in Dragonsteel.

[dezaS Hᴇ/Hɪᴍ]

15 hours ago, Nitpicking said:

I don't know that he could survive beheading, as Topaz does in Dragonsteel

that's technically not canon

[Nitpicking]

1 hour ago, Critically insane said:

that's technically not canon

True, but there's no reason for Brandon to uncanonize it. The "A plot" of Dragonsteel was just canonized, as you know.