Dual Sharblades Update

[Pathfinder]

Maybe that's because the whole blade does not form instantly, instead it kind of grows from the hilt outwards. But it is still very fast.

Is there WoB on that? Not that I have a problem with that being so or not, just want to know if that is established for my own knowledge 

[Redbird he/him]

I just thought of that on the spot, as it seemed a reasonable way for that to work.

[Pathfinder]

I just thought of that on the spot, as it seemed a reasonable way for that to work.

Ah ok. I agree with you, just WoB tend to pop up randomly around here, and I have in the past disagreed on something that turns out on another thread someone mentioned a WoB that resolves the whole discussion lol. So I have started to get in the habit of when a new piece of info is stated with seeming veracity, I like to check first 

[Twenty@20 he/him]

We have seen Adolin throwing his Blade during practice but strangely never seen a shardblade being thrown in battle. So Kaladin can definitely throw Sylblade. Syl can perhaps take a proper aerodynamic shape herself, to increase the range.

I think the spren in blade form cannot undertake independent action. They have to be wielded by their bearer. Don't know the reason for it might be because in blade form they have to follow physical laws unlike spren form when they seem to defy gravity and other physical laws.

Edited November 8, 2014 by Twenty@20

[Guest]

We have seen Adolin throwing his Blade during practice but strangely never seen a shardblade being thrown in battle. So Kaladin can definitely throw Sylblade. Syl can perhaps take a proper aerodynamic shape herself, to increase the range. I think the spren in blade form cannot undertake independent action. They have to be wielded by their bearer. Don't know the reason for it might be because in blade form the have to follow physical laws unlike spren form when they seem to defy gravity and other physical laws.

 

Throwing is a forbidden move in duels and demands a lot of concentration, not to forget it would leave the holder without a weapon to fend of enemies. The rule of thumb appears to never let go of your Blade, no matter what.

 

I think Kal must be able to throw Syl......

 

Another one I just found out on shardblades... Early on in WoK, when Dalinar first summons his Blade, he says he would not be able to wield it had he not been wearing a Plate (I figured it most be too heavy or something)... How is that possible? We have seen Adolin wield his Blade without his plate on numerous occasions. He even fought without plate at the end of WoR.... The bridgemen also trained with a Blade while not wearing Plate... Zahel says they are lighter then regular swords... I am confused. Any thoughts?

[Pathfinder]

Throwing is a forbidden move in duels and demands a lot of concentration, not to forget it would leave the holder without a weapon to fend of enemies. The rule of thumb appears to never let go of your Blade, no matter what.

 

I think Kal must be able to throw Syl......

 

Another one I just found out on shardblades... Early on in WoK, when Dalinar first summons his Blade, he says he would not be able to wield it had he not been wearing a Plate (I figured it most be too heavy or something)... How is that possible? We have seen Adolin wield his Blade without his plate on numerous occasions. He even fought without plate at the end of WoR.... The bridgemen also trained with a Blade while not wearing Plate... Zahel says they are lighter then regular swords... I am confused. Any thoughts?

Not sure if this applies to the quote you are referencing, but I do recall in another thread where a poster pointed out that they are lighter than a regular sword OF THAT TYPE. So if I tend to liken it to size categories in DnD. A one handed sword to a human is a two handed to a halfing and so on. So perhaps Oathbringer is so huge, that were it a normal sword, it would be impossible to wield, but since it is a shardblade, it is slightly lighter so it needs an armor assist to do so. Other blades might be smaller or a different form that they do not need such a huge assist. 

[Guest]

Not sure if this applies to the quote you are referencing, but I do recall in another thread where a poster pointed out that they are lighter than a regular sword OF THAT TYPE. So if I tend to liken it to size categories in DnD. A one handed sword to a human is a two handed to a halfing and so on. So perhaps Oathbringer is so huge, that were it a normal sword, it would be impossible to wield, but since it is a shardblade, it is slightly lighter so it needs an armor assist to do so. Other blades might be smaller or a different form that they do not need such a huge assist. 

 

I figured as much although, based on Shallan's drawing, both Firestorm and Adolin's unamed Blade appear to be quite big.....

[Twenty@20 he/him]

Throwing is a forbidden move in duels and demands a lot of concentration, not to forget it would leave the holder without a weapon to fend of enemies. The rule of thumb appears to never let go of your Blade, no matter what.

I think Kal must be able to throw Syl......

Do you remember the battle early in WoR where Adolin uses his blade as aspring board to jump among the Parshendi? He then proceeds to fight with plate enhanced punches and kicks till his blade reappears in his hands. Blade throwing will also work along similar lines. Adolin is pretty creative with his blade and not afraid to dismiss it occasionally( he does this in a duel too, I think). So I wondered why we never saw him throwing his blade around. Perhaps there is some deep seated taboo associated with blade throwing. But then why practice it if it is never used. Edited November 8, 2014 by Twenty@20

[Guest]

Do you remember the battle early in WoR where Adolin uses his blade as aspring board to jump among the Parshendi? He then proceeds to fight with plate enhanced punches and kicks till his blade reappears in his hands. Blade throwing will also work along similar lines. Adolin is pretty creative with his blade and not afraid to dismiss it occasionally( he does this in a duel too, I think). So I wondered why we never saw him throwing his blade around. Perhaps there is some deep seated taboo associated with blade throwing. But then why practice it if it is never used.

 

I do remember. In this particular scene, Adolin clearly states he was about to do something he would never dare doing with Dalinar around as his father would strongly disapproved. Let's not forget Dalinar has been keeping a very close eye on Adolin's evolution on the battle field, up until WoR. Throwing his Blade away must have been amongst the "dad forbids it" things.

 

In the duel, he also specify he has been bold to dismiss his Blade as it put him in a vulnerable situation where his opponent could have tripped him over and threaten him. It is only luck, or strategy, that Salinor was not good enough with his Plate to perform such a move.

 

Why practice? I dunno, because Zahel is Adolin's swordsmaster..... Would he be practicing it had he had another swordsmaster.

[Redbird he/him]

I think Zahel is just teaching him to have more control over his blade.

[KevinTheHerdazian he/him]

I I think they don't throw it during battle because there is always a risk Of hitting your own men. Shardbearers are supposed to be in the front but during the chaos of battle lots of things can happen. They wouldn't throw it at the beginning of a battle because they are needed to secure the bridges and try to get to the gem heart asap

[Twenty@20 he/him]

I I think they don't throw it during battle because there is always a risk Of hitting your own men. Shardbearers are supposed to be in the front but during the chaos of battle lots of things can happen. They wouldn't throw it at the beginning of a battle because they are needed to secure the bridges and try to get to the gem heart asap

That's a good point.

[Kyats Rani she/her]

I I think they don't throw it during battle because there is always a risk Of hitting your own men. Shardbearers are supposed to be in the front but during the chaos of battle lots of things can happen. They wouldn't throw it at the beginning of a battle because they are needed to secure the bridges and try to get to the gem heart asap

 

You are right. And yet things like that may change now that they're fighting Voidbringers. Now, everything that can help kill them will be useful. And I doubt many common soldiers will try to fight against Voidbringers so propably the battles will be planned so everyone will stay far behind Radiants and Shardbearers so the throwing won't be so risky...

[Guest]

Here is the quote I was referring to:

 

His Shardblade - Oathbringer - formed in his hand, coalescing from mist, appearing as the tenth beat of his heart thudded in his chest. Six feet long from tip to hilt, the Blade would have been unwieldy in the hands of any man not wearing Shardplate.

 

So Dalinar claims a man without a Plate would not be able to wield Oathbringer... So is it that Oathbringer is heavier then Firestorm or Blade without a Name? Both seemed quite long on the pictures....

[KevHotRod]

Is there a reason my spren couldn't form into a boomerang with bladed edges? With some care in the design, it shouldn't significantly ruin the airflow that keeps the boomerang flying.

 

Can spren choose their own mass? Presumably. A "light as air" hammer wouldn't have done much good. So then presumably my Sharderang could choose to be the perfect mass to give it some heft but still fly far.

 

Are Radiants immune to their own Spren? i.e., could Kaladin grab Syl's bladed edge without harming himself? That would be ideal, so my Sharderang could be bladed all around evenly, without requiring a smooth grip. Still, a grip wouldn't be the end of the world.

 

It's possible you're right, and my Sharderang wouldn't work nearly as well in practice as I imagine it in my head. But what I wouldn't give for the opportunity to test it out and prove it would work.

well the hammer could've been like a gravity hammer or something of that nature. Because all shardthings in the end are not really heavey.

[18th Shard he/him]

Here is the quote I was referring to:

 

His Shardblade - Oathbringer - formed in his hand, coalescing from mist, appearing as the tenth beat of his heart thudded in his chest. Six feet long from tip to hilt, the Blade would have been unwieldy in the hands of any man not wearing Shardplate.

 

So Dalinar claims a man without a Plate would not be able to wield Oathbringer... So is it that Oathbringer is heavier then Firestorm or Blade without a Name? Both seemed quite long on the pictures....

Unwieldy, not heavy - It is probably just a massive Blade. For anyone not wearing Shardplate it would be to long/wide for its weight.

[gjustice99 she/her]

It would need to be two orders whose oaths do not contradict... I wonder what the possibilities would be and if we are going to see it...

it probably would not be possible to follow the windrunner and skybreaker oaths because morality sometimes conflicts with the law

[Pathfinder]

Maybe Elsecallers and Truthwatchers, Elsecallers are wisdom and care, while truthwatchers are learned and giving. You gain wisdom through learning, and can give care to others. Pure conjecture, but hey why not right? lol

[Divine0Flame he/him]

I recall Syl being a group of leaves, does that mean she could also be a hand full of shap triangular thingies (mistborn)? What would be the point of dual wielding? It is rather hard to do and fairly impracticable in combat. It was done, but the best way to use them is likely as hook blades, not masive swords ment to kill 12" tall beats, and I doubt they had hook blades on Roshar.

[Pathfinder]

I recall Syl being a group of leaves, does that mean she could also be a hand full of shap triangular thingies (mistborn)? What would be the point of dual wielding? It is rather hard to do and fairly impracticable in combat. It was done, but the best way to use them is likely as hook blades, not masive swords ment to kill 12" tall beats, and I doubt they had hook blades on Roshar.

I think the group of leaves was incorporeal, and that the handful of sharp triangular thingies would be difficult because that would require her manifesting physically and in multiple separate parts. But I have no evidence to say it wouldn't be possible. I do agree, two smaller blades would be less damaging to large beasts. Just look at Kal's fight with the chasmfiend. It wasn't till he was swallowed and cut up into the brain that he did any real damage. Had the blade been larger, then greater sweeps could have reached its heart or other organs. Or even reached the brain without having to nearly sacrifice his own life in the process. 

[Oudeis he/him]

The W's-o-B are slightly conflicting. In one, he implies that she can turn into Shardanything she can take the form of as a spren. In another WoB, he very clearly says that spren cannot appear as anything with multiple parts (so Wax doesn't become a Windrunner with a Shardsterrion).

[Savanorn he/him]

I think the group of leaves was incorporeal, and that the handful of sharp triangular thingies would be difficult because that would require her manifesting physically and in multiple separate parts. But I have no evidence to say it wouldn't be possible. I do agree, two smaller blades would be less damaging to large beasts. Just look at Kal's fight with the chasmfiend. It wasn't till he was swallowed and cut up into the brain that he did any real damage. Had the blade been larger, then greater sweeps could have reached its heart or other organs. Or even reached the brain without having to nearly sacrifice his own life in the process. 

Maybe this depends on the cognitive aspect? 

 

For instance, the ocean is just one big thing even though it has many different little harbours/inlets/bits. Likewise a group of leaves being blown in the wind may be linked by the fact they are a limited range of small objects being blown by a single imaginary gust, or something to this effect? 

 

A bow-and-arrow is very clearly two different but heavily related objects, as would be two swords, or a sword-and-shield, as would be a field of caltrops.

 

You might be able to get away with Shardnunchaku, though. 

[natc]

Too bad it's probably impossible to have shardgrenades.

We need shardcannonballs. Next best thing.

[Wrath]

Too bad it's probably impossible to have shardgrenades.

We need shardcannonballs. Next best thing.

 

Gravitation and Pressure Surges would make a Shardcannon very possible, you know...

 

Why didn't the Starfall vision Radiants change their Blades? Six-foot-long monstrosities could not possibly have been the best option for the Midnight Essense, let alone a pack of them. They were getting in close enough for scratching, so at the very least a shorter Blade. Maybe something like a spear, to reach the main body while those spindly legs attack you? A Shardhalberd, to sweep the ground and attack their vulnerable aforementioned spindly legs? Anything other than a giant sword that would only get in your companion's way. Why didn't they shift?

 

Going back a bit in the thread to reply to this... I expect that most Radiants were not experts in multiple forms of combat but would pick one style that suited them. Not everyone is a battle prodigy like Kaladin. Or, alternatively, the Radiants may have considered weapon-switching dangerous. Maybe they agreed with Bruce Lee when he said: "I fear not the man who has practised 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practised one kick 10,000 times."

[Cactuschef]

God help the voidbringers if anyone turns their spren into a tiny net