Godmetals and the well

[+Oltux72 he/him]

Could Rashek and Vin have made Atium?

[Trusk'our he/him]

45 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

Could Rashek and Vin have made Atium?

While using the Well of Ascension?

In that case no, not out of hand at least, as Atium must be made of Ruin's Investiture and the WoA only provides Preservation's Investiture. 

You couldn't Soulcast Lerasium into existence with Stormlight, for example, but creating Tanavastium would be plausible with enough Stormlight because it's comprised of the same Investiture. 

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https://wob.coppermind.net/events/136-general-signed-books-2014/#e2661

ninch

Could a person Soulcast more atium and lerasium if they had a bead?

Brandon Sanderson

No. Investiture messes things like that up.

Spoiler

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/406-general-reddit-2020/#e14137

Haylo_Alex

You've said before that Soulcasting can't create atium or lerasium which makes sense since they're made of Investiture from other Shards. But could a Soulcaster, perhaps in the proximity of Dalinar's perpendicularity, provide enough Stormlight to Soulcast something into Honor's Godmetal (tanavastium)? What about Cultivation's metal, or an alloy of both, like Shardblade metal?

Brandon Sanderson

So, creating a God Metal is not something that's done easily in the Cosmere. HOWEVER, it is possible. You'd need a ton of Investiture, and being near Dalinar's perpendicularity is unlikely to be enough. I'd say Soulcasting, or something akin to it, has the means to do this if it could obtain the proper power charge.

However, if you mean to ask whether the destroyed Atium geodes could be reformed more quickly, maybe.

Rashek moved Ruin's Atium initially, which gives some precedence for it, but given that the cycle had been disrupted already by Kelsier (and not even Ruin could access his cut off power at the time without physically consuming the metal) I don't know how this would be overcome by an Ascended Vin.

Hope this answers your question!

Edited February 14, 2025 by Trusk'our

[alder24]

14 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

Could Rashek and Vin have made Atium?

Atium was made during the clash between Ruin and Preservation and it was a kind of Splintering:

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Lance Alvein (paraphrased)

You've said that "The Pits of Hathsin were crafted by Preservation as a place to hide the chunk of Ruin's body that he had stolen away". How does one Shard steal a portion of another Shard and create a Physical outlet for it, like the Pits were for Ruin's power?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

It has to do with clash between the two Shards' power. When pressed, he then said that it was "kind of" like splintering

Hal-Con 2012 (Oct. 30, 2012)

 

[+Oltux72 he/him]

On 2/14/2025 at 11:47 PM, Trusk'our said:

While using the Well of Ascension?

In that case no, not out of hand at least, as Atium must be made of Ruin's Investiture and the WoA only provides Preservation's Investiture.

Could they have made lerasium then?

[Trusk'our he/him]

1 hour ago, Oltux72 said:

Could they have made lerasium then?

We know Harmony could do it currently if he wanted, and his powers are basically just a more expansive version of the Well, so I'd say yes, they could have created more Lerasium. 

Spoiler

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/46-firefight-miami-signing/#e9713

Questioner

Could [Sazed] also bring back lerasium beads, if he wanted to?

Brandon Sanderson

It would be within his power to do so, yes.

Plus, Rashek empowered himself into Mistbornhood with the Well, which is Lerasium's only current known effect, so this supports creating more Lerasium with the Well.

Spoiler

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/263-chris-king-interview/#e9889

Chris King

Did the Lord Ruler use lerasium to gain his super Allomantic abilities or did he grant that to himself with the Well's power? If he used the bead, does he count as one of the nine original Allomancers that Sazed mentions?

Brandon Sanderson

Excellent question. He did not use the bead. He-- In all of this he granted himself basically, he rebuilt himself to be extremely powerful and he did not use one of the beads.