iriali Golden-Haired People = Iriali?

[Shatter He/Him]

In The Lost Metal Chapter 32, Wayne eats chouta and there are these people with golden hair. I assume they are the Iriali who fled Roshar?

Edited February 6, 2025 by The Shattered Cosmere

[Treamayne]

4 hours ago, The Shattered Cosmere said:

In The Lost Metal Chapter 32, Wayne eats chouta and there are these people with golden hair. I assume they are the Iriali who fled Roshar?

That has been speculated, but not offiicially confirmed.

[bmcclure7]

On 2/6/2025 at 2:46 PM, The Shattered Cosmere said:

In The Lost Metal Chapter 32, Wayne eats chouta and there are these people with golden hair. I assume they are the Iriali who fled Roshar?

I doubt it. I think they would notice. If thousands of people magically appeared, especially with since some of them have golden skin at something that would make the broadsheets.

[Treamayne]

On 2/8/2025 at 10:53 AM, bmcclure7 said:

I doubt it. I think they would notice. If thousands of people magically appeared, especially with since some of them have golden skin at something that would make the broadsheets.

Unless, of course, they exited Shadesmar in the roughs, near the coast, then slowly migrated into the Basin (or, possibly, TLM is only the start of the Migration's arrival). 

I don't think we have enough information for a definitive answer either way. 

Edited February 9, 2025 by Treamayne
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[bmcclure7]

On 2/8/2025 at 10:58 AM, Treamayne said:

Unless, of course, they exited Shadesmar in the roughs, near the coast, then slowly migrated into the Bason (or, possibly, TLM is only the start of the Migration's arrival). 

I don't think we have enough information for a definitive answer either way. 

I don’t even think something like that could be hid unless they were so far away that took them generations to get in contact with the rest of humanity

[Nitpicking]

1 hour ago, bmcclure7 said:

I don’t even think something like that could be hid unless they were so far away that took them generations to get in contact with the rest of humanity

I don't necessarily believe it, but remember that the Iriali left during the Great Time Distortion that would make their trip longer.

I suspect what happened is just that not all the Iriali of Roshar went to the same world. What if each caravan went to a different place?

[OoklaApologist She/her]

On 2/8/2025 at 9:53 AM, bmcclure7 said:

I doubt it. I think they would notice. If thousands of people magically appeared, especially with since some of them have golden skin at something that would make the broadsheets.

Additionally, there are blond people on Scadrial, notably Kel and Spook

[Shatter He/Him]

Just now, KelsierApologist said:

Additionally, there are blond people on Scadrial, notably Kel and Spook

It specifically says golden-haired.

[Nitpicking]

11 hours ago, KelsierApologist said:

Additionally, there are blond people on Scadrial, notably Kel and Spook

Iriali hair isn't blond. It's metallic gold.

[LeondeBowa]

I'd love an explanation other than immigrants fleeing for the emergance of roshiran food in wax and wayne

[QuantumAce]

23 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

I don’t even think something like that could be hid unless they were so far away that took them generations to get in contact with the rest of humanity

Which is completely implausible on such a developed planet like Scadrial...

Also, If they initially show up in a remote location they wouldn't necessarily have to be hidden, just not noticed yet. 

[Rhaenys She/Her]

It could be they were on Scadrial before Roshar and some never left. I cant imagine every single Iriali got out of Roshar either. Do we have any sort of timeline for them?

[bmcclure7]

4 hours ago, QuantumAce said:

Which is completely implausible on such a developed planet like Scadrial...

Also, If they initially show up in a remote location they wouldn't necessarily have to be hidden, just not noticed yet. 

Possible, but then they could not be the golden haired people of wax and Wayne. 

[QuantumAce]

On 2/10/2025 at 4:14 PM, bmcclure7 said:

Possible, but then they could not be the golden haired people of wax and Wayne. 

I dont follow, can you explain? 

[bmcclure7]

3 hours ago, QuantumAce said:

I dont follow, can you explain? 

Read the initial post 

[QuantumAce]

17 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

Read the initial post 

I did. Can you explain how the Iriali initially settling in a remote area, or more recently settling in a less remote are, would prevent them from being the golden haired people of wax and Wayne?

[bmcclure7]

On 2/13/2025 at 10:10 AM, QuantumAce said:

I did. Can you explain how the Iriali initially settling in a remote area, or more recently settling in a less remote are, would prevent them from being the golden haired people of wax and Wayne?

Because if they were found, they’d be instantly recognized as not human and foreigners. So they must not have been found and if they were not found, they were not in wax and Wayne. 

[dezaS Hᴇ/Hɪᴍ]

18 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

Because if they were found, they’d be instantly recognized as not human and foreigners. So they must not have been found and if they were not found, they were not in wax and Wayne. 

But Harmony's perpendicularity is in the South and the Southerners aren't exactly keen on sharing information with our bois in Elendel, but it is usable for entering and leaving Shadesmar and the Iriali could use that to exit the Cognitive realm.

Maybe the bulk of the Iriali are still in the Scadrian subastral or caught in the time lag as @Nitpicking said and the Lost Metal ones are just the ones that were at the front of the pack or left before the time distortion. And who knows? Maybe the Iriali helped the Malwish unite the South and are mostly allied as a bloc with the Malwish, and they just haven't needed to play that card on the Basin yet.

There were rumors of a large population of golden-haired people in Maraga's broadsheet in TLM.

Personally I am confident that Scadrial is the fifth land on the long trail, but we'll see what Sando reveals in SP5 and in E3

[bmcclure7]

On 2/25/2025 at 11:57 AM, dezaS said:

But Harmony's perpendicularity is in the South and the Southerners aren't exactly keen on sharing information with our bois in Elendel, but it is usable for entering and leaving Shadesmar and the Iriali could use that to exit the Cognitive realm.

Maybe the bulk of the Iriali are still in the Scadrian subastral or caught in the time lag as @Nitpicking said and the Lost Metal ones are just the ones that were at the front of the pack or left before the time distortion. And who knows? Maybe the Iriali helped the Malwish unite the South and are mostly allied as a bloc with the Malwish, and they just haven't needed to play that card on the Basin yet.

There were rumors of a large population of golden-haired people in Maraga's broadsheet in TLM.

Personally I am confident that Scadrial is the fifth land on the long trail, but we'll see what Sando reveals in SP5 and in E3

Iriail are not human and do not look human. They will be instant recognizes alien. Imagine today if even a handful of golden skinned people started walking around one of our major cities, speaking in an unknown language and wearing strange clothing. They’re telling me that wouldn’t make head lines

[OoklaApologist She/her]

On 2/10/2025 at 7:42 AM, LeondeBowa said:

I'd love an explanation other than immigrants fleeing for the emergance of roshiran food in wax and wayne

Scadrial notably has a large canning industry, since era 1. It was mentioned offhandedly in oathbringer that people in the rosharan subastral tend to eat canned food. Trade, of course. 

On 2/25/2025 at 11:57 AM, dezaS said:

But Harmony's perpendicularity is in the South and the Southerners aren't exactly keen on sharing information with our bois in Elendel, but it is usable for entering and leaving Shadesmar and the Iriali could use that to exit the Cognitive realm.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't the Iriali summon their own perpendicularities?

On 2/8/2025 at 10:58 AM, Treamayne said:

or, possibly, TLM is only the start of the Migration's arrival

This could definitely be correct for all we know.

[Treamayne]

27 minutes ago, KelsierApologist said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't the Iriali summon their own perpendicularities?

Unknown - we only know that Cusicesh opened a perpendicularity, that Demoux thought was "odd," for them to begin the migration to leave Roshar. If Cusicesh travels with them or they have some other means of transitioning back on the next world if RAFO for now.

Edited March 4, 2025 by Treamayne
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[OoklaApologist She/her]

42 minutes ago, Treamayne said:

Unknown - we only know that Cusicesh opened a perpendicularity, that Demoux thought was "odd," for them to begin the migration to leave Roshar. If Cusicesh travels with them or they have some other means of transitioning back on the next world if RAFO for now.

Good point, thanks!

[LeondeBowa]

6 hours ago, KelsierApologist said:

Scadrial notably has a large canning industry, since era 1. It was mentioned offhandedly in oathbringer that people in the rosharan subastral tend to eat canned food. Trade, of course. 

So your explanation against the roshiran people fleeing ending up on Scadrial and the emergence of roshiran food appearing on Scadrial

 

...Is the idea that food from roshiran was brought to Scadrial to be canned... Something that would require the free movement of people between Roshiran and Scadrial...

You're a genius, you've convinced me /s

[OoklaApologist She/her]

5 hours ago, LeondeBowa said:

So your explanation against the roshiran people fleeing ending up on Scadrial and the emergence of roshiran food appearing on Scadrial

 

...Is the idea that food from roshiran was brought to Scadrial to be canned... Something that would require the free movement of people between Roshiran and Scadrial...

You're a genius, you've convinced me /s

Sorry, I don’t think I correctly expressed what I thought. I’m just saying that the existence of chouta on Scadrial could be independent of any possible migration. It might definitely happen, I just believe it hasn’t happened by TLM, either because of the time dilation or some other reason.

[LeondeBowa]

23 minutes ago, KelsierApologist said:

Sorry, I don’t think I correctly expressed what I thought. I’m just saying that the existence of chouta on Scadrial could be independent of any possible migration. It might definitely happen, I just believe it hasn’t happened by TLM, either because of the time dilation or some other reason.

Okay... But you understand that isn't an argument?

Like you're not referring to any proof or quote from the book while there are multiple pieces of clear evidence that suggests the easiest answer is immigration from roshir by the Iriali.

I get you don't want that to be the direction the story takes but it's fairly clear.