Twinborn Opposites Fight! Who is victorious?

[Turos]

For the sake of this contest, compounders are not eligible to participate.

If you paired off a twinborn in a duel against another twinborn who shared the same metals, but Allomancy and Feruchemy are swapped, who would likely win?

 

Imagine the Steel pushing/weight storing power set against Iron pulling/speed storing. This actually seems relatively balanced.

What about copper cloud/wakefulness storing versus bronze seeking/memory storing? It comes down to Feruchemy powers in this fight. While staying alert is handy, having a thorough encyclopedia on hand could help when creating traps.

Pewter thug/tin sense-storing versus Tin senses/strength storing? Wait. These are pretty much the same…

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

Sounds fun.

I'm gonna try and use the MAG names, or just make up some for fun. Let's start with the canon Twinborn first.

Also assuming that they have the same amount of attributes stored in their metalminds for fairness sake.

Coinshot/Skimmer (Crasher) vs Lurcher/Steelrunner (Guardian)

-Main thing is that the Crasher will have a much easier time using their powers, as seen with Wax. The Guardian will need to be much more careful, due to the dangers of Pulling things towards them.

However there is a very interesting similarity to them, they both have the quirk to use their Feruchemy to enhance their Allomancy.

-A Crasher can directly change their weight, allowing them to modulate their Pushes. While a Guardian can Tap Speed, which as per WOB will cause their whole body to speed up and increase the speed of their Allomantic Burn, allowing a pseudo-Duralumin effect.

-I think that due to the Crasher's easier mobility and easier time attacking from range will lead to their victory if the fight stretches on enough, as all they need to do is force the Guardian to use up all of their Speed, then they'll be easy pickings.

 

Now for the second, a Constant (Slider/Bloodmaker) vs a Augur/Subsumer...

Yeah, no, there's no competition here.

[Steel Speedster ♂]

5 hours ago, Turos said:

Pewter thug/tin sense-storing versus Tin senses/strength storing? Wait. These are pretty much the same…

I've thought about these two combinations before, and I think A-pewter/F-tin is actually way better overall. One problem with A-tin/F-pewter is that F-pewter doesn't balance out A-tin's oversensitivity in the way that A-pewter does, which can be bad in a fight. On the other hand, F-tin can fine tune each sense to exactly what you need, so it doesn't really have any disadvantages with A-pewter compared to A-tin (except needing to be stored.) Additionally, A-pewter has some things that F-pewter lacks: greater reaction time, greater balance, greater mobility, greater healing.

However, the problem is that F-pewter can beat out A-pewter's strength, so in a simple fight between these two, A-pewter/F-tin has to play really evasively, or else F-pewter/A-tin can just crush him. I think the outcome would depend on how tactical the two fighters were. F-pewter/A-tin can become stronger than the opponent, but also more weaknesses to exploit and a limited amount of strength stored up.

3 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Now for the second, a Constant (Slider/Bloodmaker) vs a Augur/Subsumer...

Yeah, no, there's no competition here.

Yeah, that fourth quadrant is pretty unbalanced. F-gold is the only particularly good Feruchemical power, and it also happens to be one of the worst Allomantic powers.

 

How about a Lurcher/Pinnacle vs. an Oracle/Skimmer?

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

How about a Scrapper (Thug/Spinner) vs a Metalbreaker (Leecher/Brute)?

A more interesting fight than it seems.

A Scrapper would be faster, much more agile and with their Feruchemy, they might gain 'hunches' on how to avoid or perhaps overcome their opponent, assuming based on the limited data we have on Fortune acting like a much more powerful 'Gut Feeling'.

On the other hand the Metalbreaker will be far bulkier and physically stronger, and by burning Chromium will be able to end the fight just getting their hands on their opponent than beating them senseless.

A very tricky fight, one that can only be determined by the environment around them and their respective resources.

Though I think that the Scrapper has less likely chance of winning, as Pewter burns fast and they'll need it on full blast to avoid getting Leeched. The Metalbreaker can decide when they tap Strength and burn Chromium at an opportune time.

If the Scrapper can't get a weapon and escape isn't an option, then I believe that it's much more likely that the Metalbreaker will win, as all they have to do is pursue at their own pace, wait for either the Scrapper's pewter to run out or for them to get close, then Leech them while bulked up, and then the fight is over by then with one huge fist clobbering the poor powerless Scrapper's head.

[Koloss17 She/They]

9 hours ago, Turos said:

 

Pewter thug/tin sense-storing versus Tin senses/strength storing? Wait. These are pretty much the same…

I have been summoned!

I haven't been on the non-Alleyverse forums in a while, but for the uninitiated, hi, I'm Koloss17, the F-Tin Overlord. I am here because someone mentioned F-Tin.

Is F-Tin the same as A-Tin? Beyond the obvious (storing has more versatility than burning/flaring), F-Tin is vastly superior to A-Tin. Not only can you store senses that are unhelpful in the moment (closing off sense of smell/hearing when they are more a distraction than an asset), the ability to store pain is perhaps the single most powerful aspect of a non-twinborn tin ferring. Yes, the damage is still there, and both A-pewter and F-gold will be better for that, but being the third best thing is nothing to scoff at, especially since the ability to store/tap all the other senses provides such versatility in both combat and noncombat scenarios.

However, this specific matchup is one that F-Tin will easily win. Why? Because of reverse compounding. This isn't an official term, and some people use it for different things, but for me, reverse compounding is the ability to store abilities granted by allomancy in feruchemy, breaking the net-neutrality of feruchemy, which over time will lead to a very rare feruchemy savant (relevant wob). F-Tin is the undisputed champion of this sort of thing, as there is a myriad of extra senses provided by Allomancy (Bronzesense, steel/ironsense, electrumsense, atiumsense, and goldsense). In addition to that, there are increases in specific senses through both A-Tin and A-pewter, which increases your sense of balance to account for the increase in strength.

So in this case, the difference between an A-Tin/F-Pewter twinborn and A-Pewter/F-Tin savant is significant. While yes, F-pewter gives potentially much more strength than A-pewter, F-Tin, especially as a savant, would provide advantage far beyond what A-tin could provide. 

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