Ookla she/her Posted January 20, 2025 Posted January 20, 2025 19 hours ago, RedBlue said: I mean, I could understand if Vessels can’t be more helpful for … y’know … good reasons. Like ‘my Shardic Intent says no’ or ‘I’m too busy putting out fires on my own planet’ or even ‘I think this problem will go away on its own.’ But ‘I’m giving my ex the cold shoulder’ is a really crumby reason to ignore a brewing crisis. Oh, you're definitely not wrong. But I do wonder if this is a case where the Vessel is trying to make excuses for going against the Intent of their Shard--maybe there's a dichotomy between the two and it's causing issues where Valor is at. I mean, it would probably take a decent bit of Valor to go out and face an ex (not that I would know; I've never had an ex), even work with them without fighting in order to save the Cosmere--or whatever Hoid is doing. Especially if Valor doesn't even agree with what he's doing. I don't know.
AlmightyGir Posted January 20, 2025 Posted January 20, 2025 On 12/8/2024 at 4:26 PM, Argenti said: I bet her shardic intent wouldn't let her help tannavast anyway. He's a coward: Valor's Shard would Rebel against helping a coward flee or survive the consequences of his own actions Everyone has the ability to become a hero, or show valor in their behaviour. There are many examples of cowards being valorous in their final moments, usually in order to save something or someone truly precious. While the power of Valor might detest cowardice, it would certainly be aware, and encouraging, of anyone's ability to change.
Argenti he/him Posted January 20, 2025 Posted January 20, 2025 11 minutes ago, AlmightyGir said: Everyone has the ability to become a hero, or show valor in their behaviour. There are many examples of cowards being valorous in their final moments, usually in order to save something or someone truly precious. While the power of Valor might detest cowardice, it would certainly be aware, and encouraging, of anyone's ability to change. You sure about that? The shards are nothing if not polarized.
Ripheus23 Posted January 20, 2025 Posted January 20, 2025 I wonder how much we need to filter a generic concept of valor through the concept of a deity, to get at what's supposed to be the real Intent of this Shard. Adonalsium wouldn't have needed to be brave in a normal sense, it would seem, and what in history is there, of deities who needed to be brave? I mean, though... There's a whole trope about a god from an ensemble gaining highest rank by defeating an outside power of evil/chaos/etc. Maybe Adonalsium really did have a signature "opposite," like a huge mass of anti-Light that had negatively-charged sapience or something, and Valor took up the mantle of combating this anti-Light deity? (Let's assume the threat posed by this rogue monster would not have necessarily seemed to have priority, in the eyes of the Shatterers. Maybe they figured Valor would be enough to defy this entity, etc.)
MagicMaggot Posted January 20, 2025 Posted January 20, 2025 28 minutes ago, Ripheus23 said: I wonder how much we need to filter a generic concept of valor through the concept of a deity, to get at what's supposed to be the real Intent of this Shard. After the shard "Harmony" being all about enabling choices somehow, the shard of "Honor" being totally legalistic and uncaring about deliberate deceptions, and the shard "Autonomy" being all about spreading her franchise, I can't say I feel much confidence in predicting what Intend matches the shards we haven't gotten to know yet... 2
Ripheus23 Posted January 20, 2025 Posted January 20, 2025 1 hour ago, MagicMaggot said: After the shard "Harmony" being all about enabling choices somehow, the shard of "Honor" being totally legalistic and uncaring about deliberate deceptions, and the shard "Autonomy" being all about spreading her franchise, I can't say I feel much confidence in predicting what Intend matches the shards we haven't gotten to know yet... I found a clue to the concept of Odium when I saw that the word appeared in the classical phrase "odium theologicum," and I wondered if looking into Latin/related roots of "valor" would help, but I didn't find anything that looked helpful. Not so far, anyway... 1
Nitpicking Posted January 21, 2025 Posted January 21, 2025 6 hours ago, Ripheus23 said: ... Adonalsium wouldn't have needed to be brave in a normal sense, it would seem, and what in history is there, of deities who needed to be brave? ... Adonalsium, in WaT, is said to have bravely chosen not to resist its destruction to protect others from the collateral damage that would have been done to the Cosmere if it fought the Dawnshard-wielders.
Master Silver Posted February 1, 2025 Posted February 1, 2025 On 12/9/2024 at 4:28 PM, TheOneKEA said: I agree wholeheartedly with this. I suspect that her Cognitive presence is hiding within the interference caused by the Investiture from the Shardpool. Perhaps the Chasimfeids are atuned to Valor. The way they are described seems to not fit the pattern of Honor or Odium. Yet, they are very intelligent and there is more than just instinct at play. Also, if Valor is a dragon, the Chasimfeids seem more like intelligent dragons than Thunderclasts.
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