Mattel Posted November 9, 2024 Posted November 9, 2024 What would happen if Sja-Anat touched one of the higher spren, like the Bondsmith, Sibling, or Nightwatcher? Spoiler Also: Why did Odium not have Sja-Anat corrupt the sibling during RoW?
Treamayne Posted November 9, 2024 Posted November 9, 2024 21 minutes ago, Mattel said: What would happen if Sja-Anat touched one of the higher spren, like the Bondsmith, Sibling, or Nightwatcher? Hide contents Also: Why did Odium not have Sja-Anat corrupt the sibling during RoW? Because Sja-Anat Enlightens, not Corrupts - and requires permission. WoB: Spoiler Oversleep Will there be Enlightened spren of other Radiant Orders than Truthwatchers, and why does Sja-anat like Truthwatchers so much? Brandon Sanderson The reason Sja-anat likes Truthwatcher spren the most is because they are the most willing. And she considers what she's doing offering Enlightenment, not corrupting. And she considers their willingness to be a part of this. Outside observers might consider her methods less... involving less volition on the parts of some of the spren that she touches. They might argue with her on that point. In this case, as it comes with the two Truthwatcher spren that you see in the books, they both went to what they are willingly. Fully willingly to become what they are. They are, you might say, participants in her plans. So that's why she wants them. YouTube Spoiler Stream 1 (Dec. 17, 2020) 2
Mattel Posted November 9, 2024 Author Posted November 9, 2024 Spoiler But Sja-Anat can enlighten higher spren, like honor spren, so I think it is well within her limits to enlighten the sibling. I also feel like Odium and Raboniel definitely could have found some way to make the Sibling yield. I think it may simply be as easy an answer as Sanderson just didn't want the story to go that way. 1
Treamayne Posted November 9, 2024 Posted November 9, 2024 5 hours ago, Mattel said: Hide contents But Sja-Anat can enlighten higher spren, like honor spren, so I think it is well within her limits to enlighten the sibling. I also feel like Odium and Raboniel definitely could have found some way to make the Sibling yield. I think it may simply be as easy an answer as Sanderson just didn't want the story to go that way. Why ask if you already had your preferred answer? I'm just providing the WoBs. There is an order of magnitude difference between the power in an Honorspren (or other normal Radiant Spren) and the Bondsmith Spren. There is another order of magnitude between Stormfather and the other two (because he is both a Splinter and Sliver) If she could enlighten the Sibling is far less important than would he agree. (see the second half of the bolded section of the WoB above) 1
alder24 Posted November 9, 2024 Posted November 9, 2024 11 hours ago, Mattel said: What would happen if Sja-Anat touched one of the higher spren, like the Bondsmith, Sibling, or Nightwatcher? Reveal hidden contents Also: Why did Odium not have Sja-Anat corrupt the sibling during RoW? There is no need for a spoiler box for content that's not in the spoiler zone. RoW and SA is fine to be discussed openly in the Cosmere section. I think this might be impossible for Sja-Anat to achieve. It was already incredibly hard for her to corrupt the powerful spren of the Kholinar Oathgate, the Bondsmiths spren are just several magnitudes above True Spren like Glys or even Sja-Anat. They are the most invested entities on Roshar (excluding Shards) and even Sja-Anat herself is far less invested than they are. She probably doesn't have enough power to Enlighten them, even if they were to agree - which they won't do anyway. Unmaking and Enlightening are also two different things - Enlightening changes the spren, Unmaking rips their soul and mind to pieces, killing them and making them into something else. For the Sibling to work with Odium, they needed to be Unmade, not Enlightened. OB ch 97: Quote The corrupted gloryspren landed on Shallan’s arm. Odium suspects that you survived, a voice said in her mind. That … that was the voice of the Unmade from the mirror. Sja-anat. He thinks something strange happened to the Oathgate because of our influence—we’ve never managed to Enlighten such powerful spren before. It’s believable that something odd might happen. I lied, and said I think you were sent far, far from the point of transfer. RoW I-2: Quote Sja-anat flowed into the hallway of the palace and met with two of her children, touched windspren. Humans called them “corrupted,” but she hated this term. She did not corrupt. She Enlightened them, showing them that a different path was possible. Did not the humans revere Transformation—the ability of all beings to become someone new, someone better—as a core ideal of their religion? Yet they grew angry when she let spren change? [...] If Odium caught her in a verifiable lie, he would unmake her again. Steal her memory. Rip her to pieces. But in so doing, he would lose a useful tool. RoW ch 89: Quote “Raboniel said she is … unmaking you.” If that is true I … I will … I will die. “Spren can’t die,” Navani said. Gods can die … Fused can … can die … Spren can … die. If I am made into someone else, that is death. Spoiler Questioner Speaking of the Stormfather, would the Nightwatcher and the giant water spren be on the same level of spren as the Stormfather? Brandon Sanderson ...The Nightwatcher, yes. Um... There are, I would say, a level below the Stormfather and the Nightwatcher who are also much-- a much bigger deal than something like one of the sapient spren, and that's what Cusicesh is. [...] JordanCon 2016 (April 23, 2016) Spoiler Questioner You've previously said that Nightblood is the most powerful non-Shardic being in the Cosmere. Is he more powerful than the Unmade or Stormfather in terms of raw Investiture? Brandon Sanderson Raw Investiture? Here's the thing, when you say powerful, it can mean lots of different things. More raw Investiture than the Stormfather... probably not. Than the Unmade, probably. I would have to look, I don't have the numbers on this. But the Stormfather is very restricted in what he can do. Orem Signing (March 16, 2019) Spoiler Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) 1) The Nightwatcher and Stormfather are parallel entities such that Nighwatcher:Cultivation :: Stormfather:Honor. 2) There is sort of a parallel for Odium, but the parallel is the various Unmade instead of a single entity. 3) They are parallel in that they are all Splinters. 4) The Unmade are voluntary Splinters, because Odium ("like almost all of the other Shards") voluntarily Splintered part of it's power. 5) The Stormfather is different from the others because it's a Sliver. JordanCon 2016 (April 23, 2016) 3
Recommended Posts