Sythrin Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 If lets say, a knight Radiant of the 3rd ideal gains biochromatix breath. Would they start of a higher heightening than a normal person? The thought comes from Tress. The dragon Xirsis seems to be of 10th heightening as he commands cloth from afar. To gain that much breath would be a huge task. Sure for a long living dragon probably feasable but not practicle. Especially for someone as pragmatic as Xirsis. So they maybe found a way to transform different investiture into breath. Which I believe Sanderson said is not that easy as with Stormlight and the other lights. Or a higher rate of investiture jumps one already to a higher heightening with the intake of breath.
alder24 Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 32 minutes ago, Sythrin said: If lets say, a knight Radiant of the 3rd ideal gains biochromatix breath. Would they start of a higher heightening than a normal person? The thought comes from Tress. The dragon Xirsis seems to be of 10th heightening as he commands cloth from afar. To gain that much breath would be a huge task. Sure for a long living dragon probably feasable but not practicle. Especially for someone as pragmatic as Xirsis. So they maybe found a way to transform different investiture into breath. Which I believe Sanderson said is not that easy as with Stormlight and the other lights. Or a higher rate of investiture jumps one already to a higher heightening with the intake of breath. Seems possible. Investiture in general grants Heightening like effects and Radiants are invested enough to be considered of the 1st Heightening at least. So if they get some Breaths they should start stacking on top of their actual innate Investiture. You don't need to transform investiture into Breaths to gain those effects. While it's possible to turn other type of investiture into Breaths, it's something that even Hoid doesn't know how to do that during SA - Tress takes place in the future so it's possible they've figure it out, but they don't have to as it's possible to Awaken with any kind of investiture and that's how the Father Machine was Awakened. But truthfully, dragons are rich, very rich, it's not a problem for them to buy so many Breaths over thousands of years. OB ch 97: Quote “How? Impossible. Unless … you’re Invested. What Heightening are you?” He squinted at Kaladin. “No. Something else. Merciful Domi … A Surgebinder? It has begun again?” Spoiler tskyeguye From Rysn's observations in the epilogue, it seems like she has a lot of the same aspects of a Fifth Heightening/Returned at the least. Is this because her Dawnshard is particularly connected to Endowment or because the effects of a certain level of Investment result in similar effects? Brandon Sanderson The latter. Skrimyt Interesting. So are actively Surgebinding Radiants or metal-burning Allomancers just not Invested enough to gain those passive effects, or do they not experience perfect pitch/color/etc. because their Investiture is just not as tightly bound to their Spiritweb as Endowment's Breaths or a Dawnshard would be? Brandon Sanderson Be aware that the two groups you mention don't generally hold much Investiture themselves, at least not in large quantities over time. More in Surgebinding. Almost none in Allomancy. But RAFO to specifics. Dawnshard Annotations Reddit Q&A (Nov. 6, 2020) Spoiler Ilkhan2016 Breath and Stormlight are both forms of Investiture. AFAIK you can power any of the magic systems from any form of Investiture. Zahel is on Roshar, I believe, primarily due to how easy Investiture (Stormlight) is to come across. AFAIK the form of Investiture doesn't change anything about the abilities. For example, Szeth was sucked out of Stormlight when he drew Nightblood; and Azure used Stormlight to Awaken in Shadesmar. /u/mistborn is that right? Brandon Sanderson A lot of this depends on the Investiture and the magic in question. Azure was legit using Breaths, for example--ones she'd brought with her. But Szeth was able to feed Stormlight to Nightblood, much as Vasher uses Stormlight to keep himself alive. To Awaken with Stormlight, the easiest thing to do would be to first change Stormlight into Breaths--something that Azure doesn't know how to do. (Admittedly, Hoid doesn't either, so it's not like it's a simple thing to achieve.) You could also theoretically use some magical (or mechanical) means to power your Awakening with a different form of Investiture. Extesian This is very interesting. Is it possible then in the Cosmere for the 'intent' (spin or however described) of Investiture to be changed? And I mean within reasonable limits (not the powers of six shards or any of that). Can a Shard effectively grow in power in a place (e.g. toward an avatar) through another Shard's Investiture being changed (not just corrupted)? Or is it just making one type ('intent' - you should canonize a word for this :D) of Investiture mimic the properties of another? Brandon Sanderson Most of the ways of accomplishing what you're talking about would involve either 1) fooling/overwriting your spiritual makeup somehow. (This is what Hemalurgy does, for example.) 2) Refining the power somehow into a more pure form. But there are a lot of variables. The way magic from Nalthis works, for example, the system is just looking for any available Investiture to power itself--and so basically anything will do, regardless of the source. This includes consuming your own soul, in some cases... You'll see terminology coming along eventually that facilitates talking about all of this. I'm not yet decided on some of it. Celestial_Blu3 How many Breaths does [Azure] have by her final appearance in OB? Brandon Sanderson That's a RAFO, I'm afraid. General Reddit 2019 (April 25, 2019) Spoiler Argent Staying with Yumi, since we're asking the big questions here. I want to talk about the big machine, the father machine. Brandon Sanderson Yes. Argent There are some really interesting what feel like intentional parallels between it and Nightblood. Brandon Sanderson Yes. Argent There's smoke involved, there's eating of souls, there's a whole bunch of things. So what I do want to ask is: one, was the father machine Awakened using Breaths, using Nalthian Awakening? Or are you using Awakening as Lightweaving or Bondsmithing which is an overarching system in the Cosmere? Brandon Sanderson It's the second. This wouldn't exist in the pre-space-age as much; by space age there's a certain terminology that is going between... basically it's starting with the arcanists and moving to the general population. What certain themes in the Cosmere magics mean. And so when Hoid says "this is an Awakened machine" his audience understands what that means. It does not necessarily mean Breaths Awaken, but Breaths are one of the main ways that people see things be Awakened. You should be noticing those parallels, but that's a term that in the Cosmere is becoming genericized to mean un-living object being given some measure of sentience and even sapience by application of Investiture, Commands, and these sorts of things. By this point they've all interacted with various Awakened machines of sorts in the future Cosmere. They know what this means. They've talked to an Awakened computer. [...] Shardcast Interview (July 30, 2023)
+Lewis Nethur He/Him Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 1 hour ago, Sythrin said: If lets say, a knight Radiant of the 3rd ideal gains biochromatix breath. Would they start of a higher heightening than a normal person? The thought comes from Tress. The dragon Xirsis seems to be of 10th heightening as he commands cloth from afar. To gain that much breath would be a huge task. Sure for a long living dragon probably feasable but not practicle. Especially for someone as pragmatic as Xirsis. So they maybe found a way to transform different investiture into breath. Which I believe Sanderson said is not that easy as with Stormlight and the other lights. Or a higher rate of investiture jumps one already to a higher heightening with the intake of breath. I would say, "maybe probably yes," with the caveat that learning to unlock such capacity would still likely be a process, like leveraging the surges to begin with. For example, simply eating more would likely not make Lift competent as an Awakener or able to direct the Heightenings even if the process of transference is childishly simple; she would probably still need to be taught or placed into a position where she wanted/needed to learn by trial and error.
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