discussion Adolin/Lift Bondsmith of the Nightwatcher?

[Dofurion]

I've read opinions in several posts both for and against both positions and I wanted to see if I can summarize everything in this post.

 

I'm aware that in the end it may be a character that we barely know in the second arc of Archive that forms a Nahel with the third Godspren, but of the current characters these 2 are the ones that I think are most repeated (It's also curious that both have a Cultivationspren partner)

Edited September 16, 2024 by Dofurion
From Spanish to English

[AlastorBM He]

Buenas! espero que no sea obra del traductor que este leyendo esto en español, hasta ahora no me había topado ninguno.

En mi opinión tanto por gusto como por proximidad iría por lift. Me gusta mucho el vinculo que esta teniendo con maya y quiero ver que cosa nueva puede salir de ahi.

Lift teniendo una bendición de cultivación en persona se me hace mas posible, ademas es la única de todos los que bendijo sin una posición importante en el principio de la trama, la mas normal vaya, lo que me hace pensar que tiene algo interesante en reserva para ella. 

Aunque seguramente Brandon nos traiga a alguien mas en los próximos libros, es lo mas probable .

Espero las actualizaciones del post! saludos!

[Dofurion]

2 hours ago, AlastorBM said:

Buenas! espero que no sea obra del traductor que este leyendo esto en español, hasta ahora no me había topado ninguno.

Pues... si fue obra del traductor XD. En este foro suelo publicar en inglés por conveniencia para los lectores, no me había fijado y gracias por avisar. Ya lo he corregido. 

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Well... it was the translator's work XD. In this forum I usually publish in English for the convenience of readers, I hadn't noticed and thanks for letting me know. I've already corrected it.

[Determination]

We've never seen a spren "share" a bond with their knight (Shallan's deadeye is a sort of special case) and I believe there are WoB that suggest that while it's possible, a spren is unlikely to want to do so. So I think neither option is particularly likely.

Lift is the first edgedancer we see, and is even the focus of a novella titled "Edgedancer", so it would be absolutely bizarre for her to become anything other than an edgedancer. I think the purpose behind Cultivation's touch was to position her to be the next Vessel of Cultivation - just like the outcome of her meddling with Taravangian, and probably what she's intending with Dalinar and the Shard of Honor.

In Adolin's case, there are just too many factors that point toward him becoming an edgedancer. The most obvious one being he's already bonded a Cultivationspren. An earlier and easier to forget sign was in one of Dalinar's visions in The Way of Kings, the one where he's following a Knight around in the Purelake - he remarks that her armor looks exactly like Adolin's, and then later he notes how gracefully and easily she moves through the water. He guesses it's due to the Plate's strength, but given what we know by now, it's pretty clear she's using the Surge of Abrasion.

Additionally, all throughout Rhythm of War, Adolin consistently demonstrates edgedancer Ideals #2 and #3 through his behavior, especially with respect to the deadeyes, though I don't have time right now to dig out specific examples. It's just the strong impression I got on my latest re-read.

I think the Nightwatcher's bondsmith is likely to be a Listener, mostly because of the repeated theme of humans and singers needing to figure out how to get along, and partially because of the tease with Rlain almost getting to bond the Sibling. If I had to guess, I think probably it will be Jaxlim, because she was kind of irrelevant to the plot but was "revived" anyway, and also because of what she was described to have been like before her mind started to deteriorate.

 

[Atlas333]

Of the two I think Lift is the most likely to bond the nightwatcher as cultivation has a very specific interest in her (comparable to Taravangian and Dalinar which implies Lift is fairly important). Additionally, Adolin's arc is about escaping his father's shadow, and becoming a bondsmith seems contrary to this (but not impossible).

 

However, I think a third option is much more likely: Rlain. His title among spren is "bridger of minds." If that's not foreshadowing a bondsmith I don't know what is. Additionally, Rlain already acted as a bridge uniting the rebelling singers with the humans of the tower. Comparatively, Lift hasn't shown many leadership qualities (although she has plenty of books ahead of her); Adolin does have leadership qualities but he's an unlikely choice for the reason I explained earlier.

Edited September 16, 2024 by Atlas333

[Determination]

26 minutes ago, Atlas333 said:

However, I think a third option is much more likely: Rlain. His title among spren is "bridger of minds." If that's not foreshadowing a bondsmith I don't know what is.

That's a pretty solid point in Rlain's favor, though given he's already bonded one of Sja-anat's enlightened mistspren, it feels unlikely he'd end up bonding the Nightwatcher.

[AlastorBM He]

On 9/16/2024 at 1:43 AM, Dofurion said:

Pues... si fue obra del traductor XD. En este foro suelo publicar en inglés por conveniencia para los lectores, no me había fijado y gracias por avisar. Ya lo he corregido. 

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Well... it was the translator's work XD. In this forum I usually publish in English for the convenience of readers, I hadn't noticed and thanks for letting me know. I've already corrected it.

It was refreshing to read something in Spanish , I'm going to leave my comment translated just in case.

In my opinion I would go for lift. I really like the bond that Adolin is having with Maya and I want to see what new things can come out of there.

Lift having a cultivation blessing in person seems more possible to me, and it is also the only one of all those who blessed without an important position at the beginning of the plot, the most normal, which makes me think that he has something interesting in reserve for her. 

Although Brandon will surely bring us someone else in the next books, it is most likely.

On 9/16/2024 at 9:08 AM, Determination said:

I think the Nightwatcher's bondsmith is likely to be a Listener, mostly because of the repeated theme of humans and singers needing to figure out how to get along, and partially because of the tease with Rlain almost getting to bond the Sibling.

I really like the idea, having a bondsmith listener would be a great way to link them to the radiants and the humans.

That's something I really like about the saga in general, that the factions of the factions are blurring little by little. 
Humans with odium, fused fighting together with humans, radiant using voidbinding.

Edited September 17, 2024 by AlastorBM