Creating Null light

[Atlas333]

I've been thinking about Rhythm of War and The Lost Metal. They are quite different but both have a similar element of transforming investiture into different forms (Navani's various lights and purified Dor).

Purified Dor is especially interesting as it seems to be a source of investiture usable for any magic system. While this could be a quality of the Dor I don't see any reason there wouldn't be equivalents in other magic systems.

For context, to create anti-light Navani put light into a vacuum to remove its rhythm. She then used a tone to recode it, but what if she hadn't used any tone and had simply put the rhythmless light into a gemstone? I propose this would create a new light: Null light. This new light would be a useable substitute for any light (void, life, or storm).

 

However, I still think this isn't the exact same as purified Dor as I don't think an allomancer would be able to use this light yet because they don't have the ability to breath in light. This may be purely a cognitive thing that could be learned or (more likely) there might be another step to make Null light into a purified Dor equivalent.

[alder24]

12 minutes ago, Atlas333 said:

I've been thinking about Rhythm of War and The Lost Metal. They are quite different but both have a similar element of transforming investiture into different forms (Navani's various lights and purified Dor).

Purified Dor is especially interesting as it seems to be a source of investiture usable for any magic system. While this could be a quality of the Dor I don't see any reason there wouldn't be equivalents in other magic systems.

For context, to create anti-light Navani put light into a vacuum to remove its rhythm. She then used a tone to recode it, but what if she hadn't used any tone and had simply put the rhythmless light into a gemstone? I propose this would create a new light: Null light. This new light would be a useable substitute for any light (void, life, or storm).

 

However, I still think this isn't the exact same as purified Dor as I don't think an allomancer would be able to use this light yet because they don't have the ability to breath in light. This may be purely a cognitive thing that could be learned or (more likely) there might be another step to make Null light into a purified Dor equivalent.

I don't think this would work. I think that the difference between Navani's Anti-light and pure Dor is that the Dor is unkeyed, while anti-light remains keyed to Odium. Unless you unkey it first, you won't be able to overwrite it with another's Shard tone and I don't think you can unkey it with this method. Similarly you won't be able to make Voidlight into Stormlight just by placing a Stormlight filled gemstone outside of the vacuum. First you have to make unkeyed Voidlight, then you should be able to change it into some other type of light. 

Once it's unkeyed, it should be usable by anyone, including Allomancers. It's unkeyed, not bound to a Shard, everyone with any invested ability can use it - that's why pure Dor can fuel everything. 

[Wadders]

I wonder what would happen if you added an aluminium chamber around the equipment used to make the anti-light? I think the way to make unkeyed light will be to break the Connection with the associated shard and aluminium would be a good starting point for that.

[Aredor]

I think that any process that removes all Rosharan tunes from the light wouldn't make a "universal light" that can be used by anyone, rather, it would turn into a "Pure light" that can only be used by magic systems created by Ado himself. 

Wasn't Light on Roshar created by Ado? He created the world itself, after all. And after he was shattered, the light was assigned to Honor. Maybe a process could turn it back to whatever it was before. 

[Duxredux he/him]

On 9/9/2024 at 9:29 AM, Atlas333 said:

For context, to create anti-light Navani put light into a vacuum to remove its rhythm.

I think this might be the first assumption and hiccup to this process. I don't think placing Light in a vacuum removes the tone or rhythm, rather I think it decouples it from tones of the world. It had the same tone as when it went in but no longer is constantly being reinforced, and instead can be realigned if an appropriate tone is loudly played, momentarily drowning out the global tones.

Having light devoid of rhythm... is that even possible? That seems like removing frequency from a light ray - which seems fundamentally impossible for a wave-particle. Considering even a Coppercloud burning Copper has an associated rhythm, I'd guess that tone/rhythm is as fundamental as spectroscopic signature of basic elements - since both are a signature of frequency fundamental to structure.

The Ghostbloods are absolutely going to do tests like this, but I'm guessing it will take more steps than posited.