Through The Living Grub He/Him Posted September 3, 2024 Posted September 3, 2024 Anyone with access to this has so many paths open, increased Allomancy or power Soulstamps, so how do we get it. 1. Get to Sel's CR safely, and set up a base of operations a good distance from danger. 2. We somehow need to split off a bit of power and contain it. How would we do that?
Treamayne Posted September 3, 2024 Posted September 3, 2024 15 minutes ago, Xiahida said: 1. Get to Sel's CR safely, and set up a base of operations a good distance from danger. 2. We somehow need to split off a bit of power and contain it. 3. Remove Identity and/or Connection from what was collected 4. Possibly one or more other steps, since we do not yet know how they did what they did - Although Codenames' brother was likely useful in this regard 1
Trusk'our he/him Posted September 3, 2024 Posted September 3, 2024 1 hour ago, Xiahida said: 2. We somehow need to split off a bit of power and contain it. How would we do that? Aluminum can take Investiture from a Perpendicularity, so perhaps you can scoop it out from the collective mass of Invested plasma on Sel with an aluminum container. After refinement, it doesn't seem to need aluminum anymore, perhaps because the Connection is severed. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/316-general-signed-books-2018/#e9233 The_Carpathian Can aluminum be used to take liquid from a Shardpool, and will it stay Invested? Brandon Sanderson That would work. 3
JustQuestin2004 he/him Posted September 3, 2024 Posted September 3, 2024 4 minutes ago, Trusk'our said: Aluminum can take Investiture from a Perpendicularity, so perhaps you can scoop it out from the collective mass of Invested plasma on Sel with an aluminum container. After refinement, it doesn't seem to need aluminum anymore, perhaps because the Connection is severed. Reveal hidden contents https://wob.coppermind.net/events/316-general-signed-books-2018/#e9233 The_Carpathian Can aluminum be used to take liquid from a Shardpool, and will it stay Invested? Brandon Sanderson That would work. We know the Ire are the main users of this stuff, probably even discovered it, so some advanced AonDor could be required. Though that's not saying much since AonDor can do pretty much anything. I wonder if you could still use Keyed Dor for the Selish Arts, or does it still need to be Unkeyed even for them? Though I assume you'd be required to Unkey it to get it off of Sel.
Trusk'our he/him Posted September 3, 2024 Posted September 3, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said: We know the Ire are the main users of this stuff, probably even discovered it, so some advanced AonDor could be required. Though that's not saying much since AonDor can do pretty much anything. I wonder if you could still use Keyed Dor for the Selish Arts, or does it still need to be Unkeyed even for them? Though I assume you'd be required to Unkey it to get it off of Sel. I imagine using keyed Dor works for them, as Elantrians don't need extra refinement normally before drawing Aons. In fact, part of me wonders whether too much "refinement" needs to be done to the Dor to take it off world. Multiple Seons have been seen on Scadrial and Roshar, so Connection doesn't seem to bind Sel's Investiture to it, possibly because there is no true Shard or major Invested entity present to act as an anchor for the Investiture (I'll probably start another threads to delve into this more later), sort of like how Shades (presumably, as the Ire have guards posted around Threnody to keep them from escaping, if memory serves right) and Yumi aren't stuck on their worlds despite their high levels of Investiture. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/526-youtube-spoiler-stream-6/#e16402 Cosmere For Dummies Can Yumi travel offworld? Brandon Sanderson That’s a good question. And the answer is actually yes; which might be counterintuitive. But Yumi could travel offworld. That might give you a little piece in the puzzle of things to travel offworld. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/460-shardcast-interview/#e14644 Weiry Writer Why are Seons stuck as floating balls of light in the Cognitive Realm, while true spren get to be people shaped? I feel that is unfair. Brandon Sanderson That is a little unfair isn't it. Boy, Sel has all sorts of unfair things going on. But they can leave Sel, so there's some sort of clue there. But lots of unfairness to everybody from Sel in various ways. But the thing that is not unfair is: they're able to get places. Chaos Just gotta escape the deadly plasma, you know. No big deal. Brandon Sanderson If they can escape the deadly Investiture plasma covering the Cognitive Realm... not even covering, like... suffusing the Cognitive Realm where they are, the Expanse of Densities. If they can escape that they can go places. I'll be honest. I couldn't decided if I should use a seon there at the end or a Tamu Kek. In one draft it was a Tamu Kek, and then I thought, "Eh, seons are way more interesting because they have volition. Tamu Kek is just a bone." It was a Tamu Kek originally, and then it was a seon, then back to a Tamu Kek, and then I released it as a seon. I would guess why Dor is purified is actually just to let other systems access it, not just Selish practitioners, just as how Stormlight can't just automatically fuel Allomancy. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/390-stuttgart-signing/#e12692 Questioner (paraphrased) Can a Mistborn use the Investiture from a Highstorm? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) It takes some effort to convert the Investiture. They can burn metals from other planets, though. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/100-rbooks-ama-2015/#e3415 mooglefrooglian If metals shape the Investiture in Allomancy, causing a Steelpush or whatever, how is it that the mists can be used to perform the same feat? What is 'shaping' the inhaled mists into a Steelpush, if there's no metal "nozzle" to do so? Brandon Sanderson Consistently through the cosmere, once you have the power in hand and it has permeated you, will becomes your nozzle. This can be seen in Warbreaker, where the power has been distributed and inhabits the people. The nozzle idea is important for Magics that are drawing power externally, as it keeps the power from overwhelming and destroying you. (Which, basically, happened to Vin at the end of the Trilogy--she got consumed by the magic. She became something new, now, so it didn't KILL her. It destroyed what she was, transformed her into something else.) So you see magics like on Sel and Scadrial where a specific nozzle is needed--as the power source is external, at least with Allomancy. Will and intent take a backseat, though still pop up on occasion. On Nalthis (and in a lesser way, Roshar) will and intent are more important, and what you are trying to do shapes the magic more directly. A little direct manifestation in this is found in the subtle differences between Allomancy and Feruchemy. In Allomancy, when you enhance the senses, you just get a blast of power--and all senses are enhanced, whether you want them all or not. In Feruchemy, you can be more precise, and pick a specific sense to store. The power is internal here, and therefore more limited in how much you can draw--but you can also be more precise with its manipulation. Note that Roshar Surgebinding is a special case, as the magical symbiosis there is stronger than it is on other worlds, as much of the magic involves bits of power who have become sapient. uchoo786 How much crossover is there in use? Like if one "breathes" in the mists they can use it to power their allomancy. Could an Allomancer utilize stormlight to power his allomancy as well? Brandon Sanderson Most of the magics can be hacked together in one way or another, but some are easier to interchange than others. This is an assumption though, so take it with a pinch of copper. Edited September 3, 2024 by Trusk'our 2
Through The Living Grub He/Him Posted September 3, 2024 Author Posted September 3, 2024 2 hours ago, Trusk'our said: The_Carpathian Can aluminum be used to take liquid from a Shardpool, and will it stay Invested? Brandon Sanderson That would work. This feels like the theory that if you put a heavily connected person you can move them between planets. Hopefully it permanently severs it or the like. 32 minutes ago, Trusk'our said: This is an assumption though, so take it with a grain of salt. I love the Scadrian phrase "pinch of copper." I just makes me love Sanderson's tiny details. 35 minutes ago, Trusk'our said: If they can escape the deadly Investiture plasma covering the Cognitive Realm... not even covering, like... suffusing the Cognitive Realm where they are, the Expanse of Densities. If they can escape that they can go places. Is this like how sugar can be dissolved in water? How do you get the Investiture out of the air. And how is it so dangerous. 36 minutes ago, Trusk'our said: Spoiler I'll be honest. I couldn't decided if I should use a seon there at the end or a Tamu Kek. In one draft it was a Tamu Kek, and then I thought, "Eh, seons are way more interesting because they have volition. Tamu Kek is just a bone." It was a Tamu Kek originally, and then it was a seon, then back to a Tamu Kek, and then I released it as a seon. Did I miss a book?*hope in my voice*
Trusk'our he/him Posted September 3, 2024 Posted September 3, 2024 12 minutes ago, Xiahida said: This feels like the theory that if you put a heavily connected person you can move them between planets. Hopefully it permanently severs it or the like. I mean, technically I think that would work. I think it would be really, really inefficent, but it could be a form of locomotion. 14 minutes ago, Xiahida said: I love the Scadrian phrase "pinch of copper." I just makes me love Sanderson's tiny details. I totally forgot about that one. Gonna use it whenever I remember 16 minutes ago, Xiahida said: Is this like how sugar can be dissolved in water? How do you get the Investiture out of the air. And how is it so dangerous. The plasma (technically it's own thing, but plasma is the most comparable substance) in Sel's Cognitive Realm? I think it's that way because Odium shattered and confined two Shards with opposing Intents into the Cognitive Realm, which makes them mash together destructively as Ruin and Preservation did at the end of HoA, only constantly. 28 minutes ago, Xiahida said: Did I miss a book?*hope in my voice* The Tamu Keks? There's no book with them in it yet, though they're related to dragons and how they communicate with their worshipers, and are comparable to Gemhearts: Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/518-shardcast-interview/#e16187 Cheyenne Sedai What research about the aethers is Xisis hoarding? Brandon Sanderson His biggest interest is how aethers break down, and he's really researching the water cycle, and trying to figure out how the seethe happens, because he's very interested in the decomposition of aethers, which is what's causing the seethe. That's what he is hoarding there. He's got quite the establishment in Silverlight as well. Silverlight was once upon a time a bunch of dragon palaces, they all still have their skyscrapers there, basically. He's taking a little detour for some decades on Lumar, but his home base would be in Silverlight. Cheyenne Sedai That kind of answers my follow up question, that was, is his scholarly seclusion typical of dragons, or just something unique to him? Brandon Sanderson He's taken a bit of seclusion, but I wouldn't say... There's a whole bunch of different things about dragons. If you've got a Tamu Kek, you can contact them, you can pray to them, and they can actually influence your emotions. They're all kind of like little mini gods. They're not immortal immortal, but they're pretty long lived and functionally immortal. They've been around for a while doing all kinds of stuff, so there's all kinds of things going on with them. Some of them will be secluded. Some of them take their duties very seriously, like Frost takes his duties very very very seriously. Other ones just don't care. You will get some themes with dragons, they do like bargains, they do tend to have their interests, they do tend to collect people and have either followers or corporations or things like that--I don't want to go too cyberpunk on us, but yeah. You'll notice some themes the more you get to know them. I will warn you, in the cosmere, there are more Anne McCaffrey style dragons, lesser dragons if you want, that do not have a human form. The greater dragons, as well call them, they're basically like amphibians, they have to spend a part of their life cycle in a humanoid form. They give birth in humanoid form, then have a transformation in puberty to dragon form, and then can go back and forth after that. But we've got some Anne McCaffrey style dragons, we've even got some little drakelings on one planet that are not six limbed and stuff like that. We'll eventually have some more dragons, but when I was writing the early books in the cosmere, we were a little dragon flooded with Eragon and How to Train Your Dragon, so I didn't write the dragon stories. But maybe some day. Cheyenne Sedai That's fascinating. And also, that means we got our Tamu Kek, which seems to be a theme with these because we always have a Tamu Kek somewhere. Brandon Sanderson One of the few ways to have an ansible in the cosmere in the early days, pre technology, if you wanted to communicate between planets, this is one of the only ways. Really handy to get a hold of one of those, or to get some seons. Before we get technological solutions, those were your two main ways to communicate across planets. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/353-bookcon-2018/#e10319 WeiryWriter At Emerald City Comic Con earlier this year, you stated that Singer gemhearts are a "milky white" color, and looked like bone/bone marrow. You also said they were related to something in Dragonsteel. Having read the sample chapters of The Liar of Partinel a while back, I couldn't help but be reminded of the skullmoss, which is a bone-white color. Are the singer gemhearts related to the fainlife in any meaningful or important way? Brandon Sanderson Yeah they are very similar to Tamu Keks.
Treamayne Posted September 4, 2024 Posted September 4, 2024 9 hours ago, Xiahida said: Did I miss a book?*hope in my voice* 8 hours ago, Trusk'our said: The Tamu Keks? There's no book with them in it yet, Prime Spoilers: Spoiler Tamu Keks are one of the parts of Dragonsteel Prime that are confirmed to still be canon (in that they still exist and function similarly - how they are made may differ - we just don't know). For an "on screen" use - Reference : Dragonsteel Prime Ch 40
Recommended Posts