Potential Feruchemy-Hemalurgy idea

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

Just had a thought, if it's possible for an Allomancer to burn an Unkeyed Metalmind to use the Feruchemical power within without being a Feruchemist, could it be possible to instead use an Unkeyed Metalmind for Hemalurgy?

Since if the power is blanked it can be used easier by other magic systems, so if it can be burned allomantically why not spiked hemalurgically?

I'm not really sure if this is possible since I just came up with this idea not even 20 minutes ago but I just remember the WOBs that state that Blanked Identity makes it easier to use magic and can't help but try and apply it to this.

What would it even do? Maybe it could be a way to give someone temporary Feruchemical effects in a different, less controlled way from Unsealed Metalminds? Like if someone used an Unkeyed Goldmind as a spike and placed it into someone who isn't a metalborn, the spiked person would heal for a while? Seems sort of pointless, since Hemalurgic spikes are meant to provide permanent benefits, not temporary buffs.

I dunno, my brains just firing a mile a minute and I'm bored. Could be an interesting way to combine Feruchemy and Hemalurgy in a new, if suboptimal, way.

[Trusk'our he/him]

4 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Just had a thought, if it's possible for an Allomancer to burn an Unkeyed Metalmind to use the Feruchemical power within without being a Feruchemist, could it be possible to instead use an Unkeyed Metalmind for Hemalurgy?

Since if the power is blanked it can be used easier by other magic systems, so if it can be burned allomantically why not spiked hemalurgically?

I'm not really sure if this is possible since I just came up with this idea not even 20 minutes ago but I just remember the WOBs that state that Blanked Identity makes it easier to use magic and can't help but try and apply it to this.

What would it even do? Maybe it could be a way to give someone temporary Feruchemical effects in a different, less controlled way from Unsealed Metalminds? Like if someone used an Unkeyed Goldmind as a spike and placed it into someone who isn't a metalborn, the spiked person would heal for a while? Seems sort of pointless, since Hemalurgic spikes are meant to provide permanent benefits, not temporary buffs.

I dunno, my brains just firing a mile a minute and I'm bored. Could be an interesting way to combine Feruchemy and Hemalurgy in a new, if suboptimal, way.

So, do you mean to take an Unkeyed Metalmind and charge it as a Hemalurgic spike?

Actually, that might do something. Compounding is just hacking Feruchemy by using its "key" on your Allomancy, which reprograms it to give Feruchemical effects instead of Allomantic ones.

If you had a Metalmind and Hemalurgically charged it while having the correct Intent (as Compounding itself is not the default and will require a level of Intent to activate it), I think you could potentially alter what the spike took. Maybe it could be a plausible method to have a Feruchemist vampirically recharge their Metalminds (though the victim's Identity may muddy it too much to tap).

Or, maybe an Unkeyed Hemalurgic spike could allow a Feruchemist to store other attributes, such as a Skimmer storing strength or an Archivist storing different types of intelligence rather than just memory?

Some very interesting potential, if this is how it works.

Edited August 28, 2024 by Trusk'our
Changed Unsealed to Unkeyed in relevant locations.

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

Just now, Trusk'our said:

So, do you mean to take an Unsealed Metalmind and charge it as a Hemalurgic spike?

Unsealed? Not really, I was just talking about regular metalminds that have no Identity. If anything Unsealed Medallions are way more effective than what I'm thinking of with this method. Since Medallions give you the ability to tap and fill your own metalminds, seemingly indefinitely, while these, let's call them Unkeyed SpikeMinds, would only give you the effects of Feruchemy, it would 'inject' the Unkeyed Feruchemical power into you, temporarily enhancing that attribute until the power ran out. Though that's just my interpretation.

5 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

If you had a Metalmind and Hemalurgically charged it while having the correct Intent (as Compounding itself is not the default and will require a level of Intent to activate it), I think you could potentially alter what the spike took. Maybe it could be a plausible method to have a Feruchemist vampirically recharge their Metalminds. 

Interesting idea, though you'd probably have to Blank the 'Donor's' Identity, otherwise the Hemalurgic Charge will be Keyed and thus be unable to be tapped.

7 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Or, maybe an Unkeyed Hemalurgic spike could allow a Feruchemist to store other attributes, such as a Skimmer storing strength or an Archivist storing different types of intelligence rather than just memory?

Now this is even more interesting, since we know that metalminds count as a 'different metal' when it comes to allomancy, it's just that Idenitity gets in the way. If you could 'Unkey' a Hemalurgic Spike then I could see this being possible.

9 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Some very interesting potential, if this is how it works.

It really depends on how exactly Hemalurgic Spikes would work if they themselves were 'Unkeyed'. Hopefully the Malwish have Unsealed Aluminuminds, or some kind of Harmonium Device that forcibly Blanks Identity, to make this much easier.

[Trusk'our he/him]

2 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Unsealed? Not really, I was just talking about regular metalminds that have no Identity. 

Whoops, I meant to say Unkeyed there, but I guess I typed a little too quickly for my brain.

2 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

If anything Unsealed Medallions are way more effective than what I'm thinking of with this method. Since Medallions give you the ability to tap and fill your own metalminds, seemingly indefinitely, while these, let's call them Unkeyed SpikeMinds, would only give you the effects of Feruchemy, it would 'inject' the Unkeyed Feruchemical power into you, temporarily enhancing that attribute until the power ran out. Though that's just my interpretation.

Certainly could turn out that way, which would be interesting. I would think that using an Unkeyed Metalmind to charge a spike would either just replenish its Feruchemical Investiture by Hemalurgically stealing it or would more tightly specify what the spike took from the donor, but of course that's purely speculation. 

2 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Interesting idea, though you'd probably have to Blank the 'Donor's' Identity, otherwise the Hemalurgic Charge will be Keyed and thus be unable to be tapped.

Yup, though if you're a Feruchemist who's going to steal Spiritweb pieces anyway, a duralumin spike used to excise your victim's Identity may be doable. 

2 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Now this is even more interesting, since we know that metalminds count as a 'different metal' when it comes to allomancy, it's just that Idenitity gets in the way. If you could 'Unkey' a Hemalurgic Spike then I could see this being possible.

Thanks 

It certainly could be an interesting way to expand the possible uses for Feruchemy, especially since Hemalurgy itself can have broader effects (such as how H-iron seems to take physical speed and heartiness as well as strength, and individual attributes from among those may be targetable with a refined Intent), which in turn would only expand Feruchemical potential. 

2 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

It really depends on how exactly Hemalurgic Spikes would work if they themselves were 'Unkeyed'. Hopefully the Malwish have Unsealed Aluminuminds, or some kind of Harmonium Device that forcibly Blanks Identity, to make this much easier.

True, and it's all just a guess as to how it works right now, really. 

It could be that Feruchemy/Hemalurgy hacks may not be as intuitive as Compounding, but more like how Allomantically burning a Hemalurgic spike somehow splices your Spiritweb with that of the spike.