Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 I don't really think that the realms correspond to the solid, gaseous, or liquid forms of their power. It's just raw shard power focused into physical form. Preservation used his cognitive aspect to create Ruin's prison so that the power would be intact for someone like Vin or Sazed to use. But it still was able to be used as physical power like what Rashek did. So it seems, to me at least, that turning an aspect of a Shard into physical form could result in something of any consistency. The consistency illustrates how much power it has, with liquid being the most powerful.
Emeralis00 she/her Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 I don't really think that the realms correspond to the solid, gaseous, or liquid forms of their power. It's just raw shard power focused into physical form. Preservation used his cognitive aspect to create Ruin's prison so that the power would be intact for someone like Vin or Sazed to use. But it still was able to be used as physical power like what Rashek did. So it seems, to me at least, that turning an aspect of a Shard into physical form could result in something of any consistency. The consistency illustrates how much power it has, with liquid being the most powerful. Liquid is most powerful being pure power and having the most uses. Solid is the least powerful with only one specific purpose. gas is the middle ground. Example (allomantic): lerasium (solid) turns people into mistborn, the mist can replace metal as a fuel source, and the well of ascension can drasticly change the landscape.
Andrew the Great he/him Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 Your example is slightly flawed - the well of ascension is the power of Preservation, all concentrated into one area. The liquid itself isn't the power (if you stepped into Ruin's pool, you don't get to use his power. You probably get zapped), it just marks the cognitive aspect of the Shard. Just look at the pool in Elantris for confirmation - it's not a huge well of power when Raoden enters, it offers him relief. Likewise, the Mist is simply a form of the Shard, not really used for anything by magic users. Vin uses it, but only because she's stronger than most, and pretty desperate. For whatever reason, she was able to draw on Preservation directly (the mists) to fuel her allomancy, rather than through the metal. That doesn't make the mist a fuel source all the time. In fact, that particular stunt never really gets repeated except when Vin is becoming Preservation, at which point she just kind of destroys the Inquisitors anyway. Lerasium is the same as any other form of Preservation's body - just compressed. Theoretically, if you had enough mist, you could make lerasium. If you were to take the mist and condense it to a liquid, it wouldn't suddenly be much more powerful. The Pools are not the liquid forms of the Shards. They're their cognitive aspects, and in the case of Preservation, the place where the full power of the Shard can be tapped. Let's not read too much into this (I know, I'm asking a lot....) Sorry if I come across as hostile or upset. I tend to sound that way in posts like this. I'm really not. I just disagree.
Emeralis00 she/her Posted October 30, 2010 Posted October 30, 2010 Sorry if I come across as hostile or upset. I tend to sound that way in posts like this. I'm really not. I just disagree I don't mind. I just believe that ( solid gas liquid states) to be the case when I read the books. It was really only a theory.
Chaos he/him Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 Lerasium is only found near the Well of Ascention. Oh! and Aons work best next to the Pool. ...They do? That's news to me.
Asha'man he/him Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 I believe the "lakes" conform to a shards intent. The Well of Ascension gives Rashek, and than Vin, the power to preserve the world, altering its state in an attempt (thats the important part) to preserve it from destruction or Ruin, but eventually causes Rashek to only preserve the world, instead of allow it to progress, locking it into a thousand year state of limbo esque existance. The pool in Elantris is more or less confirmed to be Aona's pool, and her shard is a synonym of love. The pool,while not granting immense power (not that we've seen anyway) grants Relief (possibly Aona's shard name?) from pain and the Reod and also allows Raodon to return without being absorbed. With this in mind, we can guess that Ruin's pool would have a similar effect in line with its intent, either ruining the one who stepped in it, or give them the power to ruin other things.
CrazyRioter she/her Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Aona's Shard name is something close to Devotion, it may even be Devotion.
Asha'man he/him Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 Aona's Shard name is something close to Devotion, it may even be Devotion ya, I remember reading the Brandon hadn't officially decided or that he wasn't sure in one of the signing threads but that It close to or is Devotion. It still holds true though that she would be devoted to those who follow her and would show them love. I still think it points to the pools reflect their shards intent
happyman he/him Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 I believe the "lakes" conform to a shards intent. The Well of Ascension gives Rashek, and than Vin, the power to preserve the world, altering its state in an attempt (thats the important part) to preserve it from destruction or Ruin, but eventually causes Rashek to only preserve the world, instead of allow it to progress, locking it into a thousand year state of limbo esque existance. The pool in Elantris is more or less confirmed to be Aona's pool, and her shard is a synonym of love. The pool,while not granting immense power (not that we've seen anyway) grants Relief (possibly Aona's shard name?) from pain and the Reod and also allows Raodon to return without being absorbed. With this in mind, we can guess that Ruin's pool would have a similar effect in line with its intent, either ruining the one who stepped in it, or give them the power to ruin other things. This seems like a good start, especially when considering Sazed's commentary on TLR's use of the power. However, I would say that the intent is definitely outward-looking. Just like Preservation was driven to Preserve everything and Ruin was driven to Ruin everything, I suspect that their pools would have much the same effect. Your attitude towards yourself would probably not be affected. Thus taking up Ruin's power alone would make you destructive.
Odium's_Shard Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 I think its now confirmed that Liquid is the most potent aspect, being quite concentrated but not so much so that it becomes definitive, Gas is the next best, being much less potent (less dense) but covering everything, and Solid is extremely potent, but only at the determined power contained within the metal.
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