Elite01 Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 (edited) In stormlight we know that Adhesion is Honor's surge, and that Progression is the surge most connected with Cultivation. My question is hypothetically what would happen if a different shard was connected to a surge like these two? I want to be clear I don't think it is likely especially because Odium is on Roshar and has not manifested a surge but I think it would be fun to try and figure out what they could be. The basic definition is that the Surges of Roshar are the basic fundamental force of the world such as gravity and light. Here is what I have for each shard so far Preservation - time based abilities, mainly slowing things down. Breathing stormlight into something and it would act slower, enemies, falling objects etc Ruin - could be division. I don't know if I could find a better match thematically Odium - emotion based abilities? It isn't a fundamental force but I can't think of anything else to match the intent of hate. It could act like a rioter or soother who breaths stormlight out and those it touches get thier emotions influenced. Endowement - ? Autonomy - ? Virtuosity - Could be connected to the surge of illumination because all we know about its intent is it is artistic in nature. Similar situation to Ruin Also even if you can't match them up to a shard if there were more surges that matched the 10 we know what could they be? The only "fundamental force" I can think of is temperature but I cannot find a good match, maybe Ruin? I could also maybe see maybe a fortune based ability but I am not sure if that matches the definition of fundamental force. Could go to Endowement for good luck or Ruin for bad luck Edited March 17 by Elite01 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmcclure7 Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Elite01 said: In stormlight we know that Adhesion is Honor's surge, and that Progression is the surge most connected with Cultivation. My question is hypothetically what would happen if a different shard was connected to a surge like these two? I want to be clear I don't think it is likely especially because Odium is on Roshar and has not manifested a surge but I think it would be fun to try and figure out what they could be. The basic definition is that the Surges of Roshar are the basic fundamental force of the world such as gravity and light. Here is what I have for each shard so far Preservation - time based abilities, mainly slowing things down. Breathing stormlight into something and it would act slower, enemies, falling objects etc Ruin - lowkey could be decay/dustbringer. I don't know if I could find a better match thematically Odium - emotion based abilities? It isn't a fundamental force but I can't think of anything else to match hate. It could act like a rioter or soother who breaths stormlight out and those it touches get thier emotions influenced. Endowement - ? Autonomy - ? Virtuosity - Could be connected to the surge of illumination because all we know about its intent is it is artistic in nature. Similar situation to Ruin Also even if you can't match them up to a shard if there were more surges that matched the 10 we know what could they be? The only "fundamental force" I can think of is temperature but I cannot find a good match, maybe Ruin? I could also maybe see maybe a fortune based ability but I am not sure if that matches the definition of fundamental force. Could go to Endowement for good luck or Ruin for bad luck Respectfully I disagree odium surge is division. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faerie Braids Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 In terms of fundamental forces, I think Ruin is a perfect match for entropy, which could be similar to Division, though we have not seen that surge used in-book, yet. On 3/16/2024 at 3:18 PM, Elite01 said: I could also maybe see maybe a fortune based ability but I am not sure if that matches the definition of fundamental force. Could go to Endowement for good luck or Ruin for bad luck I almost feel Whimsy could be a good fit for a Fortune based ability, if only in the sense that the idea of luck is very capricious and unreliable. Indeed, maybe a Shard that is all about unpredictability would be skilled at manipulating randomness and chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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