Qazxvy Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) So Gavilar told Szeth to tell his brother to find the most important words a man can say. I think that said "most important words" are the orders of the knights radiant. Also, less likely sub theory, the first part of which which was told to me by Tulir, is that Gavilar was killed by the parshendi so that he could become one because he is so close to honor. Maybe since Gavilar (probably a radiant) found the most important words a man can say (the orders of the knights radiant) the parshendi figured out and killed him so he could become a parshendi. So if Dalinar figured out the same things, the same thing would happen to him. Oh and also Tulir said that Gavilar could be that parshendi shardbearer Edited April 9, 2012 by Qazxvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulir Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Here is the theory about Parshendi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triasmus Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 I'd think that the Oaths would be more important than the names of the orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazxvy Posted April 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Oh sorry that's what I meant, terminology mix up. But a big one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 if I had to guess i would say its the Ideals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 The Ideals and Oaths are one and the same. I think Ideals are what the book actually says but it doesn't really matter. I personally don't follow the Parshendi are reborn humans theory. I haven't been able to find a reason that Gavilar would be more effective at stopping the Everstorm as a Parshendi Shardbearer then a king of the most powerful nation in the world. It doesn't mean this theory is wrong, just that I find it unlikely, no offense to anyone who agrees with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) or it might just mean that gavilar thinks his brother is a surgebinder and finding the ideals would turn him onto the path of a radient. thats my take on it. Edited April 10, 2012 by master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazxvy Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Is it possible that the parshendi are like the Elantrians after the reod, as in: after reod Elantrian: pre reod Elantrian:: parshendi: radiant. Maybe since Odium killed Tanavast, the "Shaod" if you will isn't completed from person to radiant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dros Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Is it possible that the parshendi are like the Elantrians after the reod, as in: after reod Elantrian: pre reod Elantrian:: parshendi: radiant. Maybe since Odium killed Tanavast, the "Shaod" if you will isn't completed from person to radiant. Another broken god machine. It's possible. Honor was splintered in a violent confrontation with Odium, so his magic system might have been effected in some way. Maybe that armor growing on Parshendi warriors is the beginning of Shardplate that isn't able to finish? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyssie95 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I dunno, carapace shardplate seems a little... Different. And also, Radiants come from all over... There was certainly no mention of swirly skin in Dalinar's visit to the past. I don't think being a Radiant changes you physically all that much, just gives you way cool powers. Kal is on the road to becoming one, and there are *no* physical changes to him (other than the glowy thing, but that is something else entirely:P) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dros Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I dunno, carapace shardplate seems a little... Different. And also, Radiants come from all over... There was certainly no mention of swirly skin in Dalinar's visit to the past. I don't think being a Radiant changes you physically all that much, just gives you way cool powers. Kal is on the road to becoming one, and there are *no* physical changes to him (other than the glowy thing, but that is something else entirely:P) Yeah, I think I might have jumped pretty far out there on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayonn Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 'The most important words a man can say' --- Are they specific words (i.e. a phrase, or a collection of phrases), or does Gavilar mean that someone utters their most important words at a certain stage of life? Like, right before they die? If it is a specific phrase, or phrases, then I agree that it's almost certainly the Ideals. But it might also refer to the death visions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkynphyre Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 I've always thought that the "most important words a man can say" are the oaths of the Knights Radiant. Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callumke Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 "I will protect those who cannot protect themselves" - The Second Ideal of the Windrunners. "Speak again the ancient oaths, and return to men the Shards they once bore" - The vision of the Almighty. It seems fairly obvious from these that the most important words a man can say are the five ideals of the Knights Radiant. Once spoken by an individual, they become a full Radiant. That is my extrapolation from the above Ideal of the Windrunners, which grants Kaladin greater ability with Stormlight. The second quote from the Almighty suggests that once an individual speaks the oaths, then they will be granted Shards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 My concern is that Gavilar's last words weren't actually uttered by "him", per se, but were instead one of the "pre-death rattle" utterances that Taravangian is researching. It seems unlikely, but it's something to be wary of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxinabox Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 I'm torn. I think it might actually be something that superceded the Ideals, or that is unrelated; like "I love you". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivertongue Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Clearly, it's his secret recipe for cremling waffles. He had to memorize it, since he was illiterate, and recite them every time he made them. They are thus the most important words a man can say, as the waffles were what united Alethkar and brought back the fabled syrupspren. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithli Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 It just came to me one day that "the most important words A MAN can say" may be... his marriage vows. It may even have to do with how Dalinar has lost all his memories of his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHoliday Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 Marriage vows? That's alittle weak,but I think it's on the right track. it's more important to note in my opinion the separation of the masculine and feminine arts. As far as I'm aware that limits us to war-fare...perhaps the Alethi War codes ? Or it might be simple vernacular. "Tell my brother, he must find the most important words he can say" just doesn't carry the same weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysanja Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 i thought the radiants were before the culture split? so it should not be connected with the current gender rolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob the Goblin Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 Clearly, it's his secret recipe for cremling waffles. He had to memorize it, since he was illiterate, and recite them every time he made them. They are thus the most important words a man can say, as the waffles were what united Alethkar and brought back the fabled syrupspren. Or maybe he realized he was becoming a member of beerrunner order and the words ware "I've got the beer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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