Weaponizing connection

[Honer]

Ok, this might be stupid, but what if you used connection in the cognitive realm to near-instantly yeet someone to basically anywhere.

The premise behind this is kind of spoilery, so avoid the entire post if you haven’t read secret history! You have been warned! Anyway 

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We know how in secret history kelsier feels a tug, pulling harder and harder against him as he gets farther away from scadrial

What if we were to weaponize that? Using either hemalurgy or bondsmith abilities, we could cause someone to be Connected to another planet, possibly even one without a subasteral. Would this cause the person to be forcefully pulled towards that planet’s subasteral at high speeds.?

could you use it to lock someone on another area, such as braize?(i give braize specifically as an example because of how it has already been used to trap invested entities)

anyway, thats another dumb theory/crempost from me

[Duxredux he/him]

Interesting idea! There's similar concepts already in place though.

The concept of infusing someone with Investiture and yeeting them in a chosen direction is Radiant Gravitational Lashings in a nutshell. Doing the same with Connection seems substantially more complicated on various levels, though who knows, maybe a skilled enough Bondsmith could imitate gravitational lashings by doing funky shenanigans with the target's Connection to the planet and gravitation. Who knows, Bondsmithing is a pretty scary giant question mark that we don't really know the full limits or constraints on the power.

We've also seen weaponized Connection with Ishar Connecting Windrunners to the ground so their Stormlight drains into the ground. Presumably the dead spren in Ishar's laboratory were also pulled over using Bondsmithing Connection powers. As you noted, the Fused trapped on Braise is an effect of the Oathpact and presumably Connection manipulation, given that it seems to be Honor's schtick. 

At any rate, if you were attempting to anchor someone through Connection to a distant location to physically draw them to that Connection, then I assume that there would need to be some method to form that Connection. Thus far, Bondsmiths have generally used physical contact to form or manipulate Connections, with Dalinar having to make physical contact with a local to learn Azish, Ishar touching first Dalinar then himself when attempting to steal the Nahel bond between Dalinar and the Stormfather. Clearly Honor was directly supporting the Oathpact, and likely was infused through the whole Rosharan system, so I'm guessing that Ishar didn't individually yeet the Fused to Braise, but rather Honor was able to Connect an entire group to a specific planet that he was already infused in. If that scale requires a Shard's power or presence, then you might as well raise your strategy to a Shard's level. Connecting someone to a planet that neither of you have been to sounds incredibly difficult, complicated, or flat out impossible. If it is possible and practical, then Bondsmithing is utterly and completely busted beyond what we already know it can do. I'm imagining manipulating your concept of that distant star into something that draws a person toward it, and if you can do that, then you can do insane things like Connection-based homing ICBMs (intercosmere balistic missile). No one and nothing would be safe unless you can actively block off Connections to the very concept of who you are.

 

[Honer]

Thank you for replying!

What i meant with the “yeeting” is wrather extremely fast interplanetary movement, based on extrapolations of keslier’s tug towards scadrial. I was also just giving braize as an example of where someone could be moved toward, not directly corelating to the oathpact.

When it comes to your ideas about forming the Connection, I definitely agree. It would be dificult to get the target Connected properly, and that is the main thing holding this idea back.

[alder24]

14 hours ago, Honer said:

Ok, this might be stupid, but what if you used connection in the cognitive realm to near-instantly yeet someone to basically anywhere.

The premise behind this is kind of spoilery, so avoid the entire post if you haven’t read secret history! You have been warned! Anyway 

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We know how in secret history kelsier feels a tug, pulling harder and harder against him as he gets farther away from scadrial

What if we were to weaponize that? Using either hemalurgy or bondsmith abilities, we could cause someone to be Connected to another planet, possibly even one without a subasteral. Would this cause the person to be forcefully pulled towards that planet’s subasteral at high speeds.?

could you use it to lock someone on another area, such as braize?(i give braize specifically as an example because of how it has already been used to trap invested entities)

anyway, thats another dumb theory/crempost from me

Possible, but for someone who's alive and not very inested, you would need to give them a really strong Connection, on the levels of CS. A CS like Kelsier or a Splinter probably will be affected only if you first remove his Connection to Scadrial/Preservation (or whatever area/Shard are others connected to), and that's the problem as this Connection is what's keeping CS alive. RoW ch 92 epigraphs:

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"The bond is what keeps us alive. You sever that, and we will slowly decompose into ordinary souls—with no valid Connection to the Physical or Spiritual Realms. Capture one of us with your knives, and you won’t be left with a spren in a jar, foolish ones. You’ll be left with a being that eventually fades away into the Beyond."

 

[YeomanoftheBowman he/him]

15 hours ago, Honer said:

 

Ok, this might be stupid, but what if you used connection in the cognitive realm to near-instantly yeet someone to basically anywhere.

 

I think it’s plausible enough, but it’s not really practical unless you can do it easily and on a large scale, which as was mentioned above, would take a lot of power. Cool idea though!

[JohnnyKaizen he/him]

I don't think there is enough published canon to make a call on this, but the very little that we saw Ishar do, without any apparent effort, combined with either he or some unknown bondsmith bringing a huge number of people from one planet to another...yeah...why not? If a bondsmith can create connection(s) instead of only manipulating what is present, then with enough skill and investiture, I don't see that there are very many limits to what someone like that can do?