Series you were disappointed with...

[Asperity he/him]

Exactly. The Night Angel was the one I had in mind. I read the first book of Lightbringer some time ago, and I don't remember anything about it except that I didn't hunt for the second one at all.

I found Lightbringer to be far better than Night Angel. I like the color-based magic, and aside from Warbreaker, I had not found anything else featuring it.

 

I did think The Black Prism had better twists in the meat of the book as opposed to the typical ending twists/reveals you get in media (like Gavin being Dazen and vice versa) but I don't care for some factors like Gavin's sexual interest in several women in the books. I don't have a problem with sex in books but something about the way its done in Lightbringer is unappealing to me, personally.

[Guest]

I found Lightbringer to be far better than Night Angel. I like the color-based magic, and aside from Warbreaker, I had not found anything else featuring it.

 

I did think The Black Prism had better twists in the meat of the book as opposed to the typical ending twists/reveals you get in media (like Gavin being Dazen and vice versa) but I don't care for some factors like Gavin's sexual interest in several women in the books. I don't have a problem with sex in books but something about the way its done in Lightbringer is unappealing to me, personally.

The color-based magic just did not make sense to me. You know when you're reading a book and it just doesn't click with you? That's the feeling I got.

[Pestis the Spider she/her]

Before I say anything else, I want to say that I relly do love Cosmere novels. 

 

I'm going to say blasphemy here, and probably commit a social suicide, but I'm really dissapointed in romance in Elantris and all Mistborn novels (everything else in the books is amazing, seriously). I find it forced, unbelievable, unneccessary, and really, really annoying. Maybe I'm just not really romantic type of a person, but I really do not think that "complete love at the first sight" is believable (or even "love before first sight" like in Elantris), and I really find it cliche. 

 

Especially Raoden and Sarene were annoying me. Separately the characters are fine, and I really love Raoden, but there were moments that I just wanted to kill him and myself for being forced to read about his ridiculous heart problems. I mean, he knew Sarene for what, like 2 hours in total (yeah, I know it was longer than that, but the point is that he knew her for really short time, and they hardly even talked), and then suddenly he is like "Oh, I couldn't save the woman I love, so I better lose my mind and become the ball of pain.". I don't get it.

 

Also, everytime Marasi thought "Oh, am I really jelous?" in Alloy of Law, I just couldn't stand it, because she only met Wax twice at this point, for god's sake. I will really like it if Steris gets some nice character development and Wax ends up with her, and not Marasi. Would be way more interesting. 

 

I don't know, maybe I am just not romantic enough to like it, or maybe I had too many screwed up relationships myself, and that broke my mind, or something. I just really don't like the way Brandon writes romance. 

 

If you want, you can hate me for this comment, but I really needed to say it to someone, and I do not know any other people that read Cosmere novels at all, so this forum is the only place people can understand what I am talking about, even though saying something like this is probably considered a blasphemy here. 

 

I still haven't read short stories and I just started Warbreaker, so I can't really talk about them.

 

And I really didn't write it to start a discussion, so if you really do not agree with me, just give me a downvote. There is no point in derailing from the main topic.

[Blaze1616 he/him]

Before I say anything else, I want to say that I relly do love Cosmere novels. 

 

I'm going to say blasphemy here, and probably commit a social suicide, but I'm really dissapointed in romance in Elantris and all Mistborn novels (everything else in the books is amazing, seriously). I find it forced, unbelievable, unneccessary, and really, really annoying. Maybe I'm just not really romantic type of a person, but I really do not think that "complete love at the first sight" is believable (or even "love before first sight" like in Elantris), and I really find it cliche. 

 

Especially Raoden and Sarene were annoying me. Separately the characters are fine, and I really love Raoden, but there were moments that I just wanted to kill him and myself for being forced to read about his ridiculous heart problems. I mean, he knew Sarene for what, like 2 hours in total (yeah, I know it was longer than that, but the point is that he knew her for really short time, and they hardly even talked), and then suddenly he is like "Oh, I couldn't save the woman I love, so I better lose my mind and become the ball of pain.". I don't get it.

 

Also, everytime Marasi thought "Oh, am I really jelous?" in Alloy of Law, I just couldn't stand it, because she only met Wax twice at this point, for god's sake. I will really like it if Steris gets some nice character development and Wax ends up with her, and not Marasi. Would be way more interesting. 

 

I don't know, maybe I am just not romantic enough to like it, or maybe I had too many screwed up relationships myself, and that broke my mind, or something. I just really don't like the way Brandon writes romance. 

 

If you want, you can hate me for this comment, but I really needed to say it to someone, and I do not know any other people that read Cosmere novels at all, so this forum is the only place people can understand what I am talking about, even though saying something like this is probably considered a blasphemy here. 

 

I still haven't read short stories and I just started Warbreaker, so I can't really talk about them.

 

And I really didn't write it to start a discussion, so if you really do not agree with me, just give me a downvote. There is no point in derailing from the main topic.

 

I don't view it as derailment to discuss your position, as that is the point of this thread.

 

I'm not going to try and convince you that you are wrong, but rather merely point some details out you may have missed. Then I'm going to agree with you on a part of your post.

 

For Elantris, you seem to be under the impression that when Sarene and Raoden meet face to face in the novel it is their first meeting. That...is not true. It is mentioned a total of two times (If I counted correctly) within the novel that Sarene and Raoden had been communicating for months via their Seons. Most of the romance in that novel occured off screen, prior to page one.

 

For Alloy of Law, Marasi has spent much of her time studying Wax and Wayne. To her, the two of them are heroes. From my reading of the novel, I understood her initial infatuation to be mostly fangasms at actually meeting these two legendary crime fighters. I know for a fact that the internet is full of girls who feel the same way about Tom Hiddleston. I would think it logical to be jealous that her cousin is the one engaged to such an icon.

 

As for Era 1 Mistborn, I totally agree with you. Vin falling for Elend was a bit too ridiculous for me. I can understand being infatuated, given their exposure to one another. But the first time she thinks to herself "I love him," I was taken aback. She barely knew the guy!

 

I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on Warbreaker. It is the romance that Brandon himself thinks he got right, and I agree with him. I won't spoil anything for you though.

 

I want to add one more romance to your list though. Adolin and Shallan. Don't get me wrong, they are adorable, but they totally "fell at first sight," and it really erks me. Yes, they went on a date or two before "getting serious," but the thoughts that Adolin has upon seeing her, and she him, gave it all away. I was quite disappointed in that turn of events.

[JTolman he/him]

I don't view it as derailment to discuss your position, as that is the point of this thread.

 

I'm not going to try and convince you that you are wrong, but rather merely point some details out you may have missed. Then I'm going to agree with you on a part of your post.

 

For Elantris, you seem to be under the impression that when Sarene and Raoden meet face to face in the novel it is their first meeting. That...is not true. It is mentioned a total of two times (If I counted correctly) within the novel that Sarene and Raoden had been communicating for months via their Seons. Most of the romance in that novel occured off screen, prior to page one.

 

For Alloy of Law, Marasi has spent much of her time studying Wax and Wayne. To her, the two of them are heroes. From my reading of the novel, I understood her initial infatuation to be mostly fangasms at actually meeting these two legendary crime fighters. I know for a fact that the internet is full of girls who feel the same way about Tom Hiddleston. I would think it logical to be jealous that her cousin is the one engaged to such an icon.

 

As for Era 1 Mistborn, I totally agree with you. Vin falling for Elend was a bit too ridiculous for me. I can understand being infatuated, given their exposure to one another. But the first time she thinks to herself "I love him," I was taken aback. She barely knew the guy!

 

I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on Warbreaker. It is the romance that Brandon himself thinks he got right, and I agree with him. I won't spoil anything for you though.

 

I want to add one more romance to your list though. Adolin and Shallan. Don't get me wrong, they are adorable, but they totally "fell at first sight," and it really erks me. Yes, they went on a date or two before "getting serious," but the thoughts that Adolin has upon seeing her, and she him, gave it all away. I was quite disappointed in that turn of events.

 

Just to throw My 2 cents into this little discussion.... I have seen romances like this happen.

 

My sister met a Guy and Married him 2 months later, and were talking about a religios family where the Parents were Kewl with it... So for me, though I was at firs a bit surprised by the VIn /Elend Romance, It wasn't Totally Unbelievable to me.

 

The problem with Stuff like this is we all judge based on our own Life experiences, and in some ways we may be jaded and in other ways we may be totally Naive, and in Other ways Totally exceptting of something others would look askance at.  It is why some people are drawn to different styles of Writing or different movies... Different things speak to each of us in different ways based on our view of the world which was shaped by our experiences.

 

I beleive Brandon Sanderson does his research. I think he goes out looking for different view points and different experiences, KNOWING he hasn't experienced them all himself, so he goes seeking to hear/read others so that when her writes a new story, he isn't jsut repeating the same wrote experiences again and again.

 

So, Vin and Elend's Rmanace may speak to one reader differently than to another, and Marasi's will speak to anotehr person's Heart where it might not to yours as you didn't have that experience in your life.

 

And Raoden and Sarene's Situation may speak to other readers who had Long distant relationships before they finally met face to face....

 

The world is vast and varried and far beyond the experiences of jsut your single life, Which is the magic of Literature, it allows us to experience more than one life beyond our own.

[Dunkum he/him]

I don't view it as derailment to discuss your position, as that is the point of this thread.

 

I'm not going to try and convince you that you are wrong, but rather merely point some details out you may have missed. Then I'm going to agree with you on a part of your post.

 

For Elantris, you seem to be under the impression that when Sarene and Raoden meet face to face in the novel it is their first meeting. That...is not true. It is mentioned a total of two times (If I counted correctly) within the novel that Sarene and Raoden had been communicating for months via their Seons. Most of the romance in that novel occured off screen, prior to page one.

 

For Alloy of Law, Marasi has spent much of her time studying Wax and Wayne. To her, the two of them are heroes. From my reading of the novel, I understood her initial infatuation to be mostly fangasms at actually meeting these two legendary crime fighters. I know for a fact that the internet is full of girls who feel the same way about Tom Hiddleston. I would think it logical to be jealous that her cousin is the one engaged to such an icon.

 

As for Era 1 Mistborn, I totally agree with you. Vin falling for Elend was a bit too ridiculous for me. I can understand being infatuated, given their exposure to one another. But the first time she thinks to herself "I love him," I was taken aback. She barely knew the guy!

 

I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on Warbreaker. It is the romance that Brandon himself thinks he got right, and I agree with him. I won't spoil anything for you though.

 

I want to add one more romance to your list though. Adolin and Shallan. Don't get me wrong, they are adorable, but they totally "fell at first sight," and it really erks me. Yes, they went on a date or two before "getting serious," but the thoughts that Adolin has upon seeing her, and she him, gave it all away. I was quite disappointed in that turn of events.

One counterpoint on the Elantris romance: I agree that pretty much everything we get from Raoden make a lot of sense, given what we know about his relationship with Sarene prior to the events of the book, but Sarene's feelings toward Spirit after meeting him for the first time seem a bit rushed to me.

 

I agree with you on both the Vin/Elend and Shallan/Adolin though.  I never really bought Vin falling for Elend that quickly, or the bits where she says, very early on, that she feels like she can be herself around him.  This is a girl who has been through so much screwed up stuff that she can't even be herself around her friends, yet she is opening up, even slightly, with some guy she just met?

[Pestis the Spider she/her]

For Elantris, you seem to be under the impression that when Sarene and Raoden meet face to face in the novel it is their first meeting. That...is not true. It is mentioned a total of two times (If I counted correctly) within the novel that Sarene and Raoden had been communicating for months via their Seons. Most of the romance in that novel occured off screen, prior to page one.

You're right. And actually I was under strong impression that all they did was sending letters. Hm. But still, Sarene did actually fell (or just started to fell) in love with Spirit (when she didn't know who he was) just after she met him. I agree with Dunkum on this one, it did seem rushed. And I still feel that even considering their "prior to novel conversations through Seons" Raoden's behaviour towards Sarene was unjustified. What I mean is that I liked it when he worked to help the people, but then he started to do to do everything just to spend time with Sarene. it was like he completely lost his mind., and I felt it was out of his character to do so. I did not like this change. 

 

For Alloy of Law, Marasi has spent much of her time studying Wax and Wayne. To her, the two of them are heroes. From my reading of the novel, I understood her initial infatuation to be mostly fangasms at actually meeting these two legendary crime fighters. I know for a fact that the internet is full of girls who feel the same way about Tom Hiddleston. I would think it logical to be jealous that her cousin is the one engaged to such an icon.

True, but I mentioned her only because she annoyed me most of the characters. Sorry. In this paragraph I got mixed about what annoys me about a character and what annoys me about the romance portrayal. I focused on Marasi, which, if consider her a fangirl, is ok, but I really didn't find her behaving like a fingirl really. Yeah, she did read all this, and she did find them an icon, but I when I was reading, I actually didn't find her to be on high enough level of fascination with Wax, and it just doesn't feel right to me. For me she did seem to be to jealous about Wax, and thinking too little about him as her idol, for this to be 100% justified. However I consider myself to be somehow emotionally impaired, so I might have it wrong, so my opinion just my look wrong to you. My EQ is probably terribly low. ; )

 

But I have to say that Wax is no better than Marasi, when it comes to "love at the first sight", and he really isn't "Marasi's fingirl", and he has a dead girlfriend problems. I actually think that he is trying to convince himself that he did not fall for her, but in fact he did. Oh well. 

 

 

I want to add one more romance to your list though. Adolin and Shallan. Don't get me wrong, they are adorable, but they totally "fell at first sight," and it really erks me. Yes, they went on a date or two before "getting serious," but the thoughts that Adolin has upon seeing her, and she him, gave it all away. I was quite disappointed in that turn of events.

Well, I really shouldn't answer to that one, because I really need to do a SA reread, but I've got an impression that it was just Adolin to "fell at first sight", and that Shallan was still finding marriage with him simply useful for her, but as I said I really need a reread, so that impression might be totally wrong, and that is why I didn't mention anything about SA.

 

 

I beleive Brandon Sanderson does his research. I think he goes out looking for different view points and different experiences, KNOWING he hasn't experienced them all himself, so he goes seeking to hear/read others so that when her writes a new story, he isn't jsut repeating the same wrote experiences again and again.

 

So, Vin and Elend's Rmanace may speak to one reader differently than to another, and Marasi's will speak to anotehr person's Heart where it might not to yours as you didn't have that experience in your life.

 

That's why I said that "I am dissapointed, and that is my personal opinion" not that "everyone should be dissapointed, because my opinion is the only true opinion".

 

And well, the problem is not how fast you marry someone, but how fast you are so totally in love with someone that you decide to die for them (or save them at the cost of your life), or that you lose your mind when "your love after 2 meetings" is taken from you. 

Edited January 20, 2015 by Pestis the Spider

[JTolman he/him]

Some people do have and have had that experience.

[Topomouse he/him]

Interesting discussion, here are my thoughts:

 

When I re-read Mistborn a couple of months ago I was also surprised because the romance between Eland and Vin was way simpler than I remembered. Kinda like a YA novel if you catch my meaning.

 

On the other hand, IMHO in Alloy of Law there wasn't much of a romance development. Marasi has a pretty big infatuation with Wax, but he didn't really reciprocate beyond considering her a good girl and sometimes seeing something of his dead wife in her. I really liked the ending where he decides to marry Steris, and I hope the sequel doesn't change everything about it. From the excerpt on the site Marasi certainly seems not to be over her crush.

 

As for the Stormlight Archive, I really didn't see any love at first sight. When Adolin and Shallan meet I think they just found each other "hotter than hell", which is probably not a bad start for a relationship, but hardly a sure thing:

Shallan had been living a very sheltered life until about a year before that moment and initially smitten with "Prince Charming" Adolin, but as the story proceeds she start to like the verbal sparring with Kaladin, so we will have to see how that will turn out in the following books.

Adolin on the other hand seems to be taken with her, but apparently he also was with many other women before. During their courtship he starts appreciating her more but it was not really a love at first sight.

 

I'm not gonna talk about Warbreaker because I don't want to spoil it for Pestis, and I have been wanting to re-read Elatris for a while, but I lost the book so don't have significative comments about it.

[Blaze1616 he/him]

One counterpoint on the Elantris romance: I agree that pretty much everything we get from Raoden make a lot of sense, given what we know about his relationship with Sarene prior to the events of the book, but Sarene's feelings toward Spirit after meeting him for the first time seem a bit rushed to me.

 

You're right. And actually I was under strong impression that all they did was sending letters. Hm. But still, Sarene did actually fell (or just started to fell) in love with Spirit (when she didn't know who he was) just after she met him. I agree with Dunkum on this one, it did seem rushed. And I still feel that even considering their "prior to novel conversations through Seons" Raoden's behaviour towards Sarene was unjustified. What I mean is that I liked it when he worked to help the people, but then he started to do to do everything just to spend time with Sarene. it was like he completely lost his mind., and I felt it was out of his character to do so. I did not like this change. 

 

You know, I had completely forgotten about the Sarene - Spirit thing. If one were to get incredibly critical of the situation, one could argue that a ) she was having that nagging feeling she knew the guy and unconsiously knew who it was, or b ) given the situation and that she's a foreigner lost in a sea of politics and emotions, it is reasonable for her emotional state to attach to something she likes and grow overly attached. Perhaps it was too fast though. That one doesn't bother me so much as Vin/Elend, particularly Vin/Zane, and Adolin/Shallan.

 

 

On the other hand, IMHO in Alloy of Law there wasn't much of a romance development. Marasi has a pretty big infatuation with Wax, but he didn't really reciprocate beyond considering her a good girl and sometimes seeing something of his dead wife in her. I really liked the ending where he decides to marry Steris, and I hope the sequel doesn't change everything about it. From the excerpt on the site Marasi certainly seems not to be over her crush.

 

I completely agree. I love the Wax/Steris couple, and really, really, really hope Brandon sticks to it. Steris was just a great character all around, but her and Wax together are awesome.

 

 

As for the Stormlight Archive, I really didn't see any love at first sight. When Adolin and Shallan meet I think they just found each other "hotter than hell", which is probably not a bad start for a relationship, but hardly a sure thing:

Shallan had been living a very sheltered life until about a year before that moment and initially smitten with "Prince Charming" Adolin, but as the story proceeds she start to like the verbal sparring with Kaladin, so we will have to see how that will turn out in the following books.

Adolin on the other hand seems to be taken with her, but apparently he also was with many other women before. During their courtship he starts appreciating her more but it was not really a love at first sight.

 

That's a good point. I had forgotten that Adolin wasn't just a player, but he actually would get smitten with the women he'd play around with. So perhaps it's not as painful as I remember it (I have only read it once). It will be interesting then to see how they, as a couple, progress (I really don't want a love triangle. Please don't give us one Brandon).

Edited January 21, 2015 by Blaze1616

[Pestis the Spider she/her]

You know, I had completely forgotten about the Sarene - Spirit thing. If one were to get incredibly critical of the situation, one could argue that a ) she was having that nagging feeling she knew the guy and unconsiously knew who it was, or b ) given the situation and that she's a foreigner lost in a sea of politics and emotions, it is reasonable for her emotional state to attach to something she likes and grow overly attached. Perhaps it was too fast though. That one doesn't bother me so much as Vin/Elend, particularly Vin/Zane, and Adolin/Shallan.

Well, Vin and Elend bothered me, but they did have some good moments in later books (also the bad ones though), so I wasn;t as bothered as with Sarene, who was really just going around and falling in love with everyone who behaved at least a little like Raoden. As for b ): After one meeting? Few hours long? I don't see it at all. 

 

But Vin/Zane. Oh, my god, I'v completely forgot about Vin/Zane. That was just weird, simply weird. 

Edited January 21, 2015 by Pestis the Spider

[Dunkum he/him]

Well, Vin and Elend bothered me, but they did have some good moments in later books (also the bad ones though), so I wasn;t as bothered as with Sarene, who was really just going around and falling in love with everyone who behaved at least a little like Raoden. As for b ): After one meeting? Few hours long? I don't see it at all. 

 

But Vin/Zane. Oh, my god, I'v completely forgot about Vin/Zane. That was just weird, simply weird. 

The one thing I will give Vin/Zane is that Vin being interested in literally the only other mistborn she's seen in years (or like a year, whatever the timeframe between the end of the first and beginning of the second book, I think its a year), and the sparring/fighting nature of their first few meetings both make that relationship feel a bit more natural to me.  That said, it really is weird.

[JTolman he/him]

The VIn/Zane thing also had another connection.

 

Shared Experience.... You can often have a weird attraction to some one who seems to "Get you" becuase of similiar experiences.

 

both of them were victims of Child abuse. Which also left them both with a bit of Mental instability.

 

And Regardless of Whethert that is Shared vocally or not, some people can sense that in others, that shared experience, a sense of similarity.

 

That is what I took from the Vin/Zane Situation. She was Attracted to him due to a Similiarity of Shared experience/understanding. It is Why Zane was Drawn to her as well.

 

I really think Brandon was jesting with us also when he Named Zane.. as he was Inzane...

Edited January 22, 2015 by JTolman

[Asperity he/him]

I think romance is written oddly due to Brandon being Mormon, but I don't particularly care either way. It's just amusing at times.

 

What does aggravate me is how practically all main female characters are written the same, and I feel like I've brought this up before. They're essentially all "beautiful, talented, witty, intelligent" charicatures.

 

Look at Vin. She spent her entire childhood living poor, in the slums, fending for herself, and in fear of possible rape, then she attends her first noble ball in disguise and it's as if it broke down every wall she had previously built up.

 

It's just unrealistic.

[Pestis the Spider she/her]

I think romance is written oddly due to Brandon being Mormon, but I don't particularly care either way. It's just amusing at times.

 

What does aggravate me is how practically all main female characters are written the same, and I feel like I've brought this up before. They're essentially all "beautiful, talented, witty, intelligent" charicatures.

 

Look at Vin. She spent her entire childhood living poor, in the slums, fending for herself, and in fear of possible rape, then she attends her first noble ball in disguise and it's as if it broke down every wall she had previously built up.

 

It's just unrealistic.

Well, I also did notice, that female characters tend to be perfect in everything they do in these books. But I think male characters also have this problem, especially main ones. Well, they're not described as beutiful, obviously, but they are definitely all talented and inteligent. Have we actually seen a male character that tries to do something and turns out to be utterly terrible at that? Because I think we did not. Well, one can argue that Elend was pretty terrible king at the beginning but I think it was mostly his personality problem not ability problem. 

 

And I want to say that I finished Warbreaker, and I found the romance bit ok. At least the took more time than the others. But what I realised from this book is that in almost all books we have this thing that "first love = love for life". Ok, we had some past relationships off screen (like Kaladin + Tarah), we've got Vin/Zane (but she stays with Elend, and then they turn sweeter and sweeter as a couple, so it hardly counts), and we have Wax's previous girlfriend, whose name I can't remember (but he killed her accidentaly, and so the relationship between them simply couldn't continue, because she was dead), but nothing else. What I mean, is that I would really like for some relationship to fall apart on screen in one of the books. After all people actually more often break up with each other than marry in real life, and it would be nice to be able to read about it and see how characters deal with it.

 

Also about relationships in Warbreaker, but kind of off topic: I've seen some post on the forum saying that "there is too much sexual content in this book", and that "sex in books is fine, as long as it is not described". Of course, I did realise form the context of the comments that authors did not mean some explicit sex decriptions but rather some really minor sexual content. But then I've read the book and there wasb't even minor one. Everything was perfectly off screen, and everything there was was kissing and some lying naked in the bed while talking about babies. All PG-13, really. So I have a question: did I miss something, or is that all there is? Of, course, I'm not judging anyone, because I know everyone has different limits. It's just, because I found quite a lot of comments about it, it got me interested, and I know I have a bad tendency to miss some things during the first read, so the only reason I'm asking is to make sure I didn't miss anything. Because if I did, then probably I missed more than that, and I will need a whole general reread of the book. That's all there is to this question.

[Quiver he/him]

Also about relationships in Warbreaker, but kind of off topic: I've seen some post on the forum saying that "there is too much sexual content in this book", and that "sex in books is fine, as long as it is not described". Of course, I did realise form the context of the comments that authors did not mean some explicit sex decriptions but rather some really minor sexual content. But then I've read the book and there wasb't even minor one. Everything was perfectly off screen, and everything there was was kissing and some lying naked in the bed while talking about babies. All PG-13, really. So I have a question: did I miss something, or is that all there is? Of, course, I'm not judging anyone, because I know everyone has different limits. It's just, because I found quite a lot of comments about it, it got me interested, and I know I have a bad tendency to miss some things during the first read, so the only reason I'm asking is to make sure I didn't miss anything. Because if I did, then probably I missed more than that, and I will need a whole general reread of the book. That's all there is to this question.

 

Whenever I warn about sex in the book, I tend to be thinking of (checking the coppermind), Chapter 18; the moment when Siri sits on the bed and, to quote the coppermind, "fakes the noises of sex".

 

It might not be the most explicit of things, particularly if you've read other novels... but it's certainly not something Brandon' ever covered in any of  his other books. It's pretty tame, but also sort of unexpected, and if sexual stuff makes you uncomfortable... there's that.

 

(There's also the subtext/annotations of Brandon's that note that Jewel sleeps with Clod -necrophilia!- and that Blushweaver flaunts her apperance a bit to get what she wants. It's not major stuff, but... better to warn people just in case, you know?)

[Blaze1616 he/him]

Also about relationships in Warbreaker, but kind of off topic: I've seen some post on the forum saying that "there is too much sexual content in this book", and that "sex in books is fine, as long as it is not described". Of course, I did realise form the context of the comments that authors did not mean some explicit sex decriptions but rather some really minor sexual content. But then I've read the book and there wasb't even minor one. Everything was perfectly off screen, and everything there was was kissing and some lying naked in the bed while talking about babies. All PG-13, really. So I have a question: did I miss something, or is that all there is? Of, course, I'm not judging anyone, because I know everyone has different limits. It's just, because I found quite a lot of comments about it, it got me interested, and I know I have a bad tendency to miss some things during the first read, so the only reason I'm asking is to make sure I didn't miss anything. Because if I did, then probably I missed more than that, and I will need a whole general reread of the book. That's all there is to this question.

 

Aside from what Quiver mentions above, the scene I always thought people were talking about was the one right before Siri and Susebron have sex. If I recall correctly, as it has been almost a year since I read the book, the book describes Siri straddling Susey and thinks to herself how she is a bit surprised how things have turned out between them, then the chapter cuts. I can see why that could make some uncomfortable.

[Pestis the Spider she/her]

Whenever I warn about sex in the book, I tend to be thinking of (checking the coppermind), Chapter 18; the moment when Siri sits on the bed and, to quote the coppermind, "fakes the noises of sex".

 

It might not be the most explicit of things, particularly if you've read other novels... but it's certainly not something Brandon' ever covered in any of  his other books. It's pretty tame, but also sort of unexpected, and if sexual stuff makes you uncomfortable... there's that.

 

(There's also the subtext/annotations of Brandon's that note that Jewel sleeps with Clod -necrophilia!- and that Blushweaver flaunts her apperance a bit to get what she wants. It's not major stuff, but... better to warn people just in case, you know?)

Are annotations actually inside the book, or are they just on Brandon's website? Sorry, I've got a Kindle edtition, I don't know what's inside the printed copy. 

 

 

Aside from what Quiver mentions above, the scene I always thought people were talking about was the one right before Siri and Susebron have sex. If I recall correctly, as it has been almost a year since I read the book, the book describes Siri straddling Susey and thinks to herself how she is a bit surprised how things have turned out between them, then the chapter cuts. I can see why that could make some uncomfortable.

Yeah, I totally can see that it may be uncomfortable. It's just I thought there was something more, because some comments said that they don't like sex beeing described, so they found Warbreaker uncomfortable, but then I found no sex described. It doesn't mean that this book is not uncomfortable for some people, because it sure can be. It just means that I misundersood the comments I've read, that's all. : )

[Blaze1616 he/him]

Are annotations actually inside the book, or are they just on Brandon's website? Sorry, I've got a Kindle edtition, I don't know what's inside the printed copy. 

 

Annotations are on Brandon's website. Warbreaker's start here

[Cheese United he/him]

Going back to the original topic of dissapointing series:

Did anyone mention the Eragon series yet? 'Cause if not then it deserves lots of notice. I'm also dissapointed in The Stormlight Archive for not coming with a time machine so that I can acess the rest of the series.

[Pestis the Spider she/her]

Going back to the original topic of dissapointing series:

Did anyone mention the Eragon series yet? 'Cause if not then it deserves lots of notice. I'm also dissapointed in The Stormlight Archive for not coming with a time machine so that I can acess the rest of the series.

Well, I totally agree. The first book was nice, just a fun book for teens and kids. Bu then it got only worse. Although the last book wasn't simply a dissapointment. It was a disaster. 

 

And I want to add that this is also the most predictable series I've ever read, and I've read a lot of bad stuff in my life.

 

EDIT: Series I was disspointed with: The Iron Druid Chronicles by Kevin Hearne. I loved the first few books, they were great and absolutely hilarious. But the recent books? Meh. Really meh. Not funny at all, and somehow pointless.

Edited January 26, 2015 by Pestis the Spider

[Redbird he/him]

As the first fantasy book I read 8 years ago, it wasn't that bad, then again I was like 9. It was even my favorite series for a while.

[Briar King]

About Eragon

It's been mentioned and yes it's quite crap worthy. I got to bk 3 about 50 pgs in and was like This post has been reported for attempting to skirt the rules am I reading this? So then I just skipped to the big reveal and put it down after. I wound up throwing them all away when I moved.

Edited January 27, 2015 by Briar King

[Creecher he/him]

Lighbringer. Brent Weeks, you traitor. I liked your first trilogy, then you went out and made Male Twilight.

[JTolman he/him]

One Series I was whole disappointed with(Still am), not becuase of the story or the writing as both were excellent, Was the "Ruins of Ambrai" series  by Melanie Rawn.

I throughly Enjoyed Exiles and the Mageborn Traitor, but what has me still disapointed is that she has never finished the trilogy. We are now 17 years since the second book was published and this series has yet to have any closure to it.