Tamriel Wolfsbaine Posted June 12, 2023 Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) I think this is a multi part question in regards to biochromatic auras and Vasher. Vasher is able to suppress his aura from his divine breath at the very least. Is he able to suppress the aura from his normal breaths he uses for awakening? Does suppressing divine breath remove all benefits of the first 5 heightening? I feel like the agelessness doesn't go away but what about perfect pitch and the color recognition as well as breath recognition and lifesense? Do you loose those passive abilities while suppressing a divine breath? I ask these because I feel it is pretty obvious that Vasher isn't sticking out like a sore thumb but he also is clearly maintaining a level of lifesense as well on Roshar. Is the aura just so minimal without being the first heightening that it is easy to overlook for people unfamiliar with biochroma? Maybe Vasher isn't suppressing his breath at all on Roshar to keep those benefits as it is not as dangerous for him to walk around with a strong aura? Edit: But then wouldn't Vasher and Wit have recognized eachother for being awakeners instantly? Can someone with suppressed breath still use powers like aura recognition? Edited June 12, 2023 by Tamriel Wolfsbaine
alder24 Posted June 12, 2023 Posted June 12, 2023 24 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: Vasher is able to suppress his aura from his divine breath at the very least. Is he able to suppress the aura from his normal breaths he uses for awakening? It is possible. That works by "investing Breaths deep within himself". Spoiler Mark It was said throughout the book that you cannot just give some of your breath, but must give all of it. Perhaps I'm simply forgetting part of the book where this changes, but wouldn't Vasher have to give his Returned breath along with his others? Brandon Sanderson The "You must give up all of your Breath, not some" line was mostly perpetuated by Denth, who is saying it to Vivenna to stop her from giving away her Breath to all the people she passes. It is a lie. Now, it's a lie that's commonly accepted by a lot of people. But it's still a lie—as we find out midway through the book, you can stick some of your Breath in an object and bring it to life, and then recover that Breath. So it's very easy to give some of your Breath to someone if you know the logical steps to take. Invest most of it into an object, give what you have to someone else, then pull back what you Invested. So it's flat-out proven in the novel that what Denth is telling her is wrong. Now, he could dance around that lie by pretending to be the ignorant mercenary—he's just perpetuating a falsehood that many people believe. But it is a lie. In fact, a lot of the things people believe about BioChromatic Breath isn't true. One of the things I was trying with this book was to take a few steps back from MISTBORN, where so much was understood. I feel that the approach I took in MISTBORN is right for that book, and yet people have so much superstition regarding all sorts of science. I worry sometimes that there isn't enough superstition in my books, regarding magic as science. What people believed and what people knew and what people understood was so varied and confused throughout most of history, that I worry that I lack realism in that. Vasher brings up at several points in the book that they don't know a whole lot and that people perpetuate a lot of myths and stories and lies. Vasher has learned to suppress his Returned Breath. When it's suppressed, it's as if it doesn't exist to him. He's Invested it into a place within himself, much like you can Invest your Breaths into a shirt, and when he gives away the rest of his Breaths, he doesn't give that one away. He could split off others of his Breaths if he wanted to—he's learned to do that, so that he could give a few Breaths and not all. It's just a matter of practicing as long as he has. But even people who aren't as practiced as him do it all the time when they Invest an object with not all of their Breath but just enough to bring it to life Goodreads Fantasy Book Discussion Warbreaker Q&A (Jan. 18, 2010) 25 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: Does suppressing divine breath remove all benefits of the first 5 heightening? I feel like the agelessness doesn't go away but what about perfect pitch and the color recognition as well as breath recognition and lifesense? Do you loose those passive abilities while suppressing a divine breath? All goes away except for agelessness. That one remains because he is CS. 27 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: I ask these because I feel it is pretty obvious that Vasher isn't sticking out like a sore thumb but he also is clearly maintaining a level of lifesense as well on Roshar. Is the aura just so minimal without being the first heightening that it is easy to overlook for people unfamiliar with biochroma? Maybe Vasher isn't suppressing his breath at all on Roshar to keep those benefits as it is not as dangerous for him to walk around with a strong aura? He is suppressing his Divine Breath, he doesn't look like Returned. He has Breaths on Roshar. It's not about danger, he just doesn't want to be Returned. Spoiler Questioner With Vasher on Roshar, is he collecting more Breaths, or just burning through slowly what he has collected? Brandon Sanderson He can use Stormlight instead. That's why he came to Roshar. Questioner Did he come voluntarily? Brandon Sanderson He came voluntarily because he was tired of sucking souls. Roshar is where he decided to "retire." Questioner How many Breaths <does he have now>? Brandon Sanderson He has the same number that he left with. Which, there are clues to what level of Heightening he at least has, in the books. Arcanum Unbounded release party (Nov. 22, 2016) 30 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: But then wouldn't Vasher and Wit have recognized eachother for being awakeners instantly? They have Breaths, both enough for 1st Heightening. Yes, if they were to meet they would recognize that they both have Breaths and how many. 31 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: Can someone with suppressed breath still use powers like aura recognition? No.
Tamriel Wolfsbaine Posted June 12, 2023 Author Posted June 12, 2023 30 minutes ago, alder24 said: It is possible. That works by "investing Breaths deep within himself". Reveal hidden contents Mark It was said throughout the book that you cannot just give some of your breath, but must give all of it. Perhaps I'm simply forgetting part of the book where this changes, but wouldn't Vasher have to give his Returned breath along with his others? Brandon Sanderson The "You must give up all of your Breath, not some" line was mostly perpetuated by Denth, who is saying it to Vivenna to stop her from giving away her Breath to all the people she passes. It is a lie. Now, it's a lie that's commonly accepted by a lot of people. But it's still a lie—as we find out midway through the book, you can stick some of your Breath in an object and bring it to life, and then recover that Breath. So it's very easy to give some of your Breath to someone if you know the logical steps to take. Invest most of it into an object, give what you have to someone else, then pull back what you Invested. So it's flat-out proven in the novel that what Denth is telling her is wrong. Now, he could dance around that lie by pretending to be the ignorant mercenary—he's just perpetuating a falsehood that many people believe. But it is a lie. In fact, a lot of the things people believe about BioChromatic Breath isn't true. One of the things I was trying with this book was to take a few steps back from MISTBORN, where so much was understood. I feel that the approach I took in MISTBORN is right for that book, and yet people have so much superstition regarding all sorts of science. I worry sometimes that there isn't enough superstition in my books, regarding magic as science. What people believed and what people knew and what people understood was so varied and confused throughout most of history, that I worry that I lack realism in that. Vasher brings up at several points in the book that they don't know a whole lot and that people perpetuate a lot of myths and stories and lies. Vasher has learned to suppress his Returned Breath. When it's suppressed, it's as if it doesn't exist to him. He's Invested it into a place within himself, much like you can Invest your Breaths into a shirt, and when he gives away the rest of his Breaths, he doesn't give that one away. He could split off others of his Breaths if he wanted to—he's learned to do that, so that he could give a few Breaths and not all. It's just a matter of practicing as long as he has. But even people who aren't as practiced as him do it all the time when they Invest an object with not all of their Breath but just enough to bring it to life Goodreads Fantasy Book Discussion Warbreaker Q&A (Jan. 18, 2010) All goes away except for agelessness. That one remains because he is CS. He is suppressing his Divine Breath, he doesn't look like Returned. He has Breaths on Roshar. It's not about danger, he just doesn't want to be Returned. Reveal hidden contents Questioner With Vasher on Roshar, is he collecting more Breaths, or just burning through slowly what he has collected? Brandon Sanderson He can use Stormlight instead. That's why he came to Roshar. Questioner Did he come voluntarily? Brandon Sanderson He came voluntarily because he was tired of sucking souls. Roshar is where he decided to "retire." Questioner How many Breaths <does he have now>? Brandon Sanderson He has the same number that he left with. Which, there are clues to what level of Heightening he at least has, in the books. Arcanum Unbounded release party (Nov. 22, 2016) They have Breaths, both enough for 1st Heightening. Yes, if they were to meet they would recognize that they both have Breaths and how many. No. Do you think it is possible to hide the aura itself without suppressing it? Via a coppercloud, the aviar that does similar things. Or even a cloak with a command to hide the aura?
alder24 Posted June 12, 2023 Posted June 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: Do you think it is possible to hide the aura itself without suppressing it? Via a coppercloud, the aviar that does similar things. Or even a cloak with a command to hide the aura? Coppercloud or an Aviar might do it. Awakened cloak won't.
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