IlstrawberrySeed Posted June 7, 2023 Posted June 7, 2023 Harmonium-trellium reactions is the second or third most powerful explosion in the known Cosmere, (after anti-investiture and same type anti-investiture). The issue is getting the Harmonium in the bullet into the proper state to be split. I believe sunlight spores provide the answer. While the heat won't get it into the state on it's own, it reduces the electrical requirement, and can provide the electricity via heat conversion. That brings the 3 big questions. Is this accurate, How big is the smallest bullet, and What are your critiques?
alder24 Posted June 7, 2023 Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, IlstrawberrySeed said: Harmonium-trellium reactions is the second or third most powerful explosion in the known Cosmere, (after anti-investiture and same type anti-investiture). The issue is getting the Harmonium in the bullet into the proper state to be split. I believe sunlight spores provide the answer. While the heat won't get it into the state on it's own, it reduces the electrical requirement, and can provide the electricity via heat conversion. That brings the 3 big questions. Is this accurate, How big is the smallest bullet, and What are your critiques? Nope. It won't help. You need to reach 3000 degree Celsius (or was it Farenheit in books? TLM doesn't tell and I'm angry), and at that point most metals would melt - you can't make a Harmonium-Trellium bullet. There was a topic like this recently (https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/127416-harmoniumtrellium-bullets/) Sunlight spores don't produce heat that's even close to that, and the heat won't be able to produce enough electricity to reach 3000 degrees in such a small thing as a bullet. With or without spores you still need the same amout of power to heat up metal up to 3000 degree with an electric current. And you need electric current, heat alone isn't enough: Quote Different heating methods to get the components to self-separate while fluid had failed. Electrolysis had failed. A dozen other ideas had failed as well. There was a reason he’d lost momentum on the project. But of all they’d tried, electric currents seemed tohave come the closest. Putting spores with water into a small bullet with a thermoelectric generator (they are massive) and battery powerful enough to heat up metal up to 3000 degrees - nope. Not possible. Bullet is too small for that. Look at 1900 tech, everything was massive compared to what we have today. You can't miniaturize it and fit into a bullet, even with today's tech it isn't possible. Maybe in a very big artillery shell, torpedo or bomb it would fit, but not in a gun bullet. Thermoelectric generators aren't the answer. Looking at google, they're big, not efficient, limited up to 1000 degree C, which isn't enough here, and don't produce that much power - and I'm looking at modern types.
IlstrawberrySeed Posted June 7, 2023 Author Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, alder24 said: Nope. It won't help. You need to reach 3000 degree Celsius (or was it Farenheit in books? TLM doesn't tell and I'm angry), and at that point most metals would melt - you can't make a Harmonium-Trellium bullet. There was a topic like this recently (https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/127416-harmoniumtrellium-bullets/) Sunlight spores don't produce heat that's even close to that, and the heat won't be able to produce enough electricity to reach 3000 degrees in such a small thing as a bullet. With or without spores you still need the same amout of power to heat up metal up to 3000 degree with an electric current. And you need electric current, heat alone isn't enough: Putting spores with water into a small bullet with a thermoelectric generator (they are massive) and battery powerful enough to heat up metal up to 3000 degrees - nope. Not possible. Bullet is too small for that. Look at 1900 tech, everything was massive compared to what we have today. You can't miniaturize it and fit into a bullet, even with today's tech it isn't possible. Maybe in a very big artillery shell, torpedo or bomb it would fit, but not in a gun bullet. Thermoelectric generators aren't the answer. Looking at google, they're big, not efficient, limited up to 1000 degree C, which isn't enough here, and don't produce that much power - and I'm looking at modern types. I didn't realize it was that high (though it could be a fictional unit, he tends to do that more in other Cosmere worlds than Scadrial). Between necromancy and Tress spoilerboxing, I figured it was better to just make a post here. True. I addressed the requirement of electricity briefly - if it's already hot enough, little electricity should be required. Ah, didn't know they were massive. I was simply thinking of the things like hand-powered flashlights. Very well. I don't know that the temp and electric limits are that big of a deal, if the sunlight spores could be concentrated enough for the harmonium. Insulate it a little, and because the electricity doesn't have to heat it, less is required. The size is the biggest issue.
alder24 Posted June 7, 2023 Posted June 7, 2023 13 minutes ago, IlstrawberrySeed said: True. I addressed the requirement of electricity briefly - if it's already hot enough, little electricity should be required. I don't know that the temp and electric limits are that big of a deal, if the sunlight spores could be concentrated enough for the harmonium. Insulate it a little, and because the electricity doesn't have to heat it, less is required. The size is the biggest issue. No, it would be the same. The hotter the wire, the greater the resistance. You would still need the same power to reach that temperature. At least that's what I think, but I might be wrong here. Electrician would be handy. 16 minutes ago, IlstrawberrySeed said: Ah, didn't know they were massive. I was simply thinking of the things like hand-powered flashlights. Compare that to a bullet. How huge it is. And how much power do you generate with that? Few Watts? For digging in the previous topic I found out that 100W would be needed for that temp (but I'm highly unsure if that's the correct number, electricity isn't my thing, somebody correct me if I'm wrong), so that's not possible.
IlstrawberrySeed Posted June 7, 2023 Author Posted June 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, alder24 said: No, it would be the same. The hotter the wire, the greater the resistance. You would still need the same power to reach that temperature. At least that's what I think, but I might be wrong here. Electrician would be handy. Compare that to a bullet. How huge it is. And how much power do you generate with that? Few Watts? For digging in the previous topic I found out that 100W would be needed for that temp (but I'm highly unsure if that's the correct number, electricity isn't my thing, somebody correct me if I'm wrong), so that's not possible. Oh well.
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