Windrunner he/him Posted March 27, 2012 Posted March 27, 2012 But there couldn't have been any Original Elantrians, if there was no Shaod to create them. Regardless of how much Devotion they have in them, they aren't Elantrians, and thus couldn't draw Aons. Unless you believe they all had so much Devotion that anyone could draw Aons? Anyway it's my belief that Odium killed all the Elantrians and possibly Dakhor Monks when he Splintered Aona and Skai. He probably brought some Voidbringers with him, and killed every last one. Too bad AonDor is so slow.
Voidus Posted March 27, 2012 Posted March 27, 2012 "But there couldn't have been any Original Elantrians, if there was no Shaod to create them. Regardless of how much Devotion they have in them, they aren't Elantrians, and thus couldn't draw Aons. Unless you believe they all had so much Devotion that anyone could draw Aons?" Basically I'm thinking of pre-Lerasium Scadrial here, one in every few thousand were very weak mistings, I assume the same thing about pre-Elantris er... Elantrians? I would say Aonics but that's not really them :S anyway we know that Elantrians taken by the Shaod have different levels of ability in drawing Aons so yeah, I see being taken by the Shaod as being about equivalent to someone who has enough of a connection to Aona to be equivalent to a misting in Scadrial, and presumably the Shaod is something similar to Snapping. I'll need to think about it a bit more to get specifics down but that's the basics of it.
Thought Posted March 28, 2012 Posted March 28, 2012 But there couldn't have been any Original Elantrians, if there was no Shaod to create them. I'd refer you to the phrase: wibbly wobbly, timey wimey. Or, in other words, the route from cause to effect may not be consistent. Early magic users may have been able to use magic, then they created Elantris to effect all magic users. Perhaps, like allomancers, they used to have to snap: Elantris snaps them without the pain, but as a side-effect changes their physical appearance (much like a Hemalurgic spike grants power and changes a person). The Elantris Effect may influence all magic users who come close, while there may be some magic users who are never affected but remain unknown since they also never snap.
Aethling he/him Posted March 29, 2012 Posted March 29, 2012 Isn't there a scene in Elantris where one of the main characters states the the Chaysan resembles something they can't just place their finger on? As for the monks, the only ones we see that actually have any power are the ones aready twisted. The process of doing so may actually be their form of the Shaod. Hrathgen left before completing the iniation, so he would not know the extent of their powers. The teleporting trick may just be something internal of the monk being sacrificed.
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 What if there is a symbol that makes someone an Elantrian when drawn in a substance of some sort?
Windrunner he/him Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 Some people have talked about this before, but there's no consensus yet. If you could perhaps invoke Devotions physical aspect on Sel, like the pool or another physical component like lerasium on Scadrial. There are strange burning rocks on Sel and the Elantrians also burn unusually well. If I was going to guess though, I'd say that these rocks would be of Dominion/Jaddeth since he was originally god of the rocks below the ground. It appears to me that although Korathi and Derethi people claim to worship the same god they actually worship Devotion and Dominion respectively. Some people have wondered if that split came about because of some schism between Aona and Skai which seems a very real possibility. What I want to know, is why some Aons appear to have some minimal function when they are incomplete but others have no affect at all. The only idea I've had is those that predate the Reod kept some small connection to the Dor so the Shaod could still take effect, but none of the other Elantris Aons seem to still have any power. Maybe a large size and power as well as predating the Reod allowed it to continue to have a minimal function. And Dilaf's wife's transformation could be explained away by him being a Dakhor. Does anyone else have any ideas why some Aons function but others don't?
Voidus Posted April 27, 2012 Posted April 27, 2012 I'd say that it mostly depends on what the effect is, some of the Aons wouldn't really be able to have variable power, they'd either work or they wouldn't I think that most of these would probably not work, outside of that I'm not sure really what would cause some to not work at all, the only thing I can think of is that it needs a certain amount of power which is beyond the power of Elantrians without Aon Rao to produce any effect at all, for example the travel Aon requires a large amount of power to say convert a person into energy and back (Just inventing a possible way that it works) and it just requires a slightly larger amount of power to move over larger distances.
Aeshdan he/him Posted May 21, 2012 Posted May 21, 2012 Some people have talked about this before, but there's no consensus yet. If you could perhaps invoke Devotions physical aspect on Sel, like the pool or another physical component like lerasium on Scadrial. There are strange burning rocks on Sel and the Elantrians also burn unusually well. If I was going to guess though, I'd say that these rocks would be of Dominion/Jaddeth since he was originally god of the rocks below the ground. It appears to me that although Korathi and Derethi people claim to worship the same god they actually worship Devotion and Dominion respectively. Some people have wondered if that split came about because of some schism between Aona and Skai which seems a very real possibility. What I want to know, is why some Aons appear to have some minimal function when they are incomplete but others have no affect at all. The only idea I've had is those that predate the Reod kept some small connection to the Dor so the Shaod could still take effect, but none of the other Elantris Aons seem to still have any power. Maybe a large size and power as well as predating the Reod allowed it to continue to have a minimal function. And Dilaf's wife's transformation could be explained away by him being a Dakhor. Does anyone else have any ideas why some Aons function but others don't? What do you mean by incomplete? I thought the way it worked was that before the discovery of the Chasm Line no Aons worked, and between the Chasm Line Discovery and the Fixing all Aons worked at their base power. The "exceptions" can be explained as follows: 1. Dilaf's wife: This mistake created not an invalid Aon but the wrong Aon. (the healer did draw an Aon, but not the one she intended to draw.) 2. Reod Elantrians. Aons didn't work on them because they were "stuck" halfway through the change, so nothing could alter them.
dj26792 he/him Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 What if the Shaod doesn't do anything about the ability to draw Aons, it just grants power. After all, elantris is made in the form of Aon Rao, it quite literally screams 'POWER!!!' if everyone on the planet, or even just the original elantrians who lived in proximity to the shard pool of aona had the connection to her neccesary to draw aons but couldn't draw enough power through that link to do much, they could have built Elantris to drag through more power, and every other effect of the Shaod could just be a side effect of so much power being channelled through their bodies.
.S.A.M.K.M Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 We know that style of movement was seen as a form of power, likely due to the energy provided by the city. COuld the bone shaping work better her as well?
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