Duralumin-Chromium Burning

[The Stick]

Does anybody know what would happen if a  mistborn burned Chromium and Duralumin simultaneously. Would the leeching gain tremendous power, being able to pull huge amounts of investiture from Slivers and Splinters. Could this be used to kill spren? Or would it materialize like an aura around the burner, leeching metals of everybody around him.

 

[Immortal Platypus]

I would think that it would be a really powerful Leech. It just makes sense.

TLM:

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Like how at the end Wayne duralumin Bendalloy and it slows down time at ton

 

[Wits instant noodles he/him]

On 3/14/2023 at 1:25 PM, The Stick said:

Could this be used to kill spren?

Yeah I agree I think it would be a very powerful leach and yes I think it could kill a spren but it might have to be in the cognitive realm cause a sprens physical manifestation probably doesnt contain enough of its investiture. 

[Immortal Platypus]

5 minutes ago, Wits instant noodles said:

Yeah I agree I think it would be a very powerful leach and yes I think it could kill a spren but it might have to be in the cognitive realm cause a sprens physical manifestation probably doesnt contain enough of its investiture. 

It had enough investiture in the physical for it to be stabbed and killed, I don't see how this would be any different.

[alder24]

9 hours ago, Wits instant noodles said:

Yeah I agree I think it would be a very powerful leach and yes I think it could kill a spren but it might have to be in the cognitive realm cause a sprens physical manifestation probably doesnt contain enough of its investiture. 

8 hours ago, Being of Cacophony said:

It had enough investiture in the physical for it to be stabbed and killed, I don't see how this would be any different.

It was a god metal dagger, and a god metal exist in all 3 realms at the same time. 

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Chaos

Is atium Invested?

Brandon Sanderson

Is atium Invested? Atium is Investiture distilled into the Physical Realm, right? So is electricity electric? Or is it--

Chaos

Well I think the question Sharders had was if it's Invested, how can people Push and Pull on it. That was the struggle.

Brandon Sanderson

Atium breaks a lot of rules, in the same way that you will see other things break rules. Atium plays weirdly. When you get distilled Investiture, you're starting like-- My kind of rule for myself is it's kind of like when you start going on the quantum level, the rules just start playing weirdly. Because it's like, what Realm does atium exist in-- is another thing. Because-- Pure Investiture like that is like a mini black hole, right? It's like existing in three Realms at once. Kind of, and things like that... There's lots of weirdness.

The writerly answer is there is lots of weirdness because when I built atium, I didn't have the rest of the cosmere built, right? And so it breaks a lot of rules that I later set up that everything else has to follow, right? So the writerly answer is we just have to accept that atium and lerasium and some of these other distilled Investiture things are going to play very weirdly with the magic systems. But that's okay. Nightblood will too, and some of these things that were built even after the cosmere was coming together.

Salt Lake City signing (Dec. 16, 2017)

And leeching a Shardblade would be very, very, very difficult and beyond the power of Allomancer

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Questioner

If you were a Leecher, could you destroy a Shardblade?

Brandon Sanderson

I'm going to RAFO that for now, let's just say that it would be incredibly difficult if it were possible, and I'm not going to even say if it is. But that kind of power... 

Questioner

Let's just say they were burning duralumin as well.

Brandon Sanderson

Let's just say that the Investiture in a Shardblade is much greater than your average Allomancer, but... This type of thing is not unheard of in the Cosmere. The larkin, the Leechers, and Nightblood all have a similar sort of thing going on. Destroying a Shardblade would be really hard. And Investiture resists other forms of Investiture, so.

Calamity Austin signing (Feb. 25, 2016)

 

[Immortal Platypus]

so it's hypothetically possible, but not likely.

[Tea Leaf]

20 hours ago, Being of Cacophony said:

so it's hypothetically possible, but not likely.

Duralumin Leecher + Nightblood + Lots of Larkins? 

[alder24]

14 minutes ago, The last Fae in the Woods said:

Duralumin Leecher + Nightblood + Lots of Larkins? 

Nightblood would just very likely damage a Shardblade (like he did with Honorblade) or kill it entirely, especially if a spren isn't in a Shardblade form. So Nightblood alone will be enough.

But duralumin and leeching won't change it. He still will be unable to leech a Shardblade, because he has too little investiture compared to a Shardblade. If such Mistborn was powered directly by all of Mists, like Vin at the end of HoW, then hard maybe. But regular Mistborn doesn't wield such power. Larkins also are too weak.

[Immortal Platypus]

nightblood alone could probably do it. but yeah, with larkins draining them, you might be able to kill them with duralumin leecher.

12 minutes ago, alder24 said:

But duralumin and leeching won't change it. He still will be unable to leech a Shardblade, because he has too little investiture compared to a Shardblade. If such Mistborn was powered directly by all of Mists, like Vin at the end of HoW, then hard maybe. But regular Mistborn doesn't wield such power. Larkins also are too weak.

Mistborn doesn't wield enough power individually. I think that if you got that (especially if it's a Lerasium mistborn) and a bunch of Larkins, you could probably do it (assuming that they can all drain one thing at the same time) just by sheer numbers.

Edited March 22, 2023 by Being of Cacophony

[alder24]

5 minutes ago, Being of Cacophony said:

Mistborn doesn't wield enough power individually. I think that if you got that (especially if it's a Lerasium mistborn) and a bunch of Larkins, you could probably do it (assuming that they can all drain one thing at the same time) just by sheer numbers.

Lerasium Mistborn still wields a considerably lower amount of Investiture than anyone on Roshar. Roshar is rich in investiture, while Scadrial is on a very low level. Larkins are still weak, If larkin was able to do it, he would drain the Fused in OB bank scene, as Fused are basically spren. It didn't happen, he only drained him out of Voidlight. Lerasium Mistborn still has too little power to do it, even with Larkins. Larkin can get full far faster than Nightblood, and even Nightblood didn't consume the entire Honorblade, just chipped part of it. 

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Questioner

Who can consume more Investiture, Nightblood or Chiri-Chiri?

Brandon Sanderson

Nightblood. Chiri-Chiri would get full a lot faster.

YouTube Spoiler Stream 2 (June 3, 2021)

Mistborn powered by Mists - maybe. Better, by the Well - very likely, only then he can push a Shardblade. That's how much it takes to equalize investiture levels and break through Shardblade's resistance to foreign investiture.

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Trae Cooper (paraphrased)

Why are Invested objects like metalminds and Hemalurgic spikes able to be Pushed and Pulled on, but Shardblades and Shardplate, which are also invested, are not susceptible to Pushing and Pulling?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

There were a few concepts that he outlined in answering this question.

1.) The ability to Push/Pull an Invested object is predicated to the amount/power of the Investiture.

2.) Further, Invested objects also gain resistance to pulling/pushing based on proximity to soul possibly via the soul. An example given is that a Hemalurgic spike touches the blood of the person, and from there is now part of both the Spiritual Realm and the Physical Realm. This provides what Brandon termed a kind of "soul interference," based on its proximity to the soul.

This further explains why Vin required more than normal power to Push/Pull the metalminds from the Lord Ruler, because of their proximity to his soul, via the Spiritual Realm.

3.) The amount of Investiture is relatively low on Scadrial, whereas worlds like Sel and Roshar are pushing around "high power" according to Brandon. I interpreted this to mean that Hemalurgic spikes and metalminds have low amounts of Investiture compared to Shardplate and Shardblades.

Brandon said that theoretically you can Push/Pull Shardblades and Shardplates but you would need to wield an incredible amount of power. One example he gave that could so such as a thing is that if you were a Mistborn wielding the full power of the Well of Ascension, you could Push/Pull Shardblades/Plate.

DragonCon 2012 (Sept. 4, 2012)

 

[Immortal Platypus]

15 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Lerasium Mistborn still wields a considerably lower amount of Investiture than anyone on Roshar. Roshar is rich in investiture, while Scadrial is on a very low level. Larkins are still weak, If larkin was able to do it, he would drain the Fused in OB bank scene, as Fused are basically spren. It didn't happen, he only drained him out of Voidlight. Lerasium Mistborn still has too little power to do it, even with Larkins. Larkin can get full far faster than Nightblood, and even Nightblood didn't consume the entire Honorblade, just chipped part of it. 

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Questioner

Who can consume more Investiture, Nightblood or Chiri-Chiri?

Brandon Sanderson

Nightblood. Chiri-Chiri would get full a lot faster.

YouTube Spoiler Stream 2 (June 3, 2021)

Mistborn powered by Mists - maybe. Better, by the Well - very likely, only then he can push a Shardblade. That's how much it takes to equalize investiture levels and break through Shardblade's resistance to foreign investiture.

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Trae Cooper (paraphrased)

Why are Invested objects like metalminds and Hemalurgic spikes able to be Pushed and Pulled on, but Shardblades and Shardplate, which are also invested, are not susceptible to Pushing and Pulling?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

There were a few concepts that he outlined in answering this question.

1.) The ability to Push/Pull an Invested object is predicated to the amount/power of the Investiture.

2.) Further, Invested objects also gain resistance to pulling/pushing based on proximity to soul possibly via the soul. An example given is that a Hemalurgic spike touches the blood of the person, and from there is now part of both the Spiritual Realm and the Physical Realm. This provides what Brandon termed a kind of "soul interference," based on its proximity to the soul.

This further explains why Vin required more than normal power to Push/Pull the metalminds from the Lord Ruler, because of their proximity to his soul, via the Spiritual Realm.

3.) The amount of Investiture is relatively low on Scadrial, whereas worlds like Sel and Roshar are pushing around "high power" according to Brandon. I interpreted this to mean that Hemalurgic spikes and metalminds have low amounts of Investiture compared to Shardplate and Shardblades.

Brandon said that theoretically you can Push/Pull Shardblades and Shardplates but you would need to wield an incredible amount of power. One example he gave that could so such as a thing is that if you were a Mistborn wielding the full power of the Well of Ascension, you could Push/Pull Shardblades/Plate.

DragonCon 2012 (Sept. 4, 2012)

 

Yes, but Chiri-Chiri might be weaker on the scale of larkins, especially at the time that WOB was given (if it was before Dawnshard). And if there are enough larkings, I think it's possible. Not likely and it would be abnormal circumstances, but I think it's possible.

[alder24]

35 minutes ago, Being of Cacophony said:

Yes, but Chiri-Chiri might be weaker on the scale of larkins, especially at the time that WOB was given (if it was before Dawnshard). And if there are enough larkings, I think it's possible. Not likely and it would be abnormal circumstances, but I think it's possible.

Chiri-Chiri is the biggest larkin that's alive, and for all intended purposes, she is the base for our discussion. Mistborn won't pull out of his sleeve a dragon sized Larkin, just to prove you're right. There isn't any. Sleepless has even smaller types of larkin hybrid, and Nale has also a very small one (fits in his pocket?). So Chiri-Chiri is considerably bigger than any other similar species currently living. Chiri-Chiri and Nale's larkin are the only known living ones, as they are extremely rare.

Edited March 22, 2023 by alder24

[Immortal Platypus]

Chiri-Chiri wasn't the very big until Dawnshard, but either way I'm not saying that it will happen. I'm saying it's hypothetically possible, not probable.

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On 3/14/2023 at 3:25 PM, The Stick said:

Does anybody know what would happen if a  mistborn burned Chromium and Duralumin simultaneously. Would the leeching gain tremendous power, being able to pull huge amounts of investiture from Slivers and Splinters. Could this be used to kill spren? Or would it materialize like an aura around the burner, leeching metals of everybody around him.

 

I think this idea could actually have a lot of merrit. If we assume that flaring chromium increases the rate at which investiture is sucked out of a target, then it logically follows that fueling that reaction with duralumin would further amplify the effect. Depending on how the relationship works, that could either equate to seriously diminishing returns relative to the total mass of metals burned, or a vacuum differential burst pressure which could implode the spiritweb of a God. (Hopefully neither extreme is anywhere close to true)

[Tea Leaf]

On 4/10/2023 at 5:38 PM, hwiles said:

vacuum differential burst pressure which could implode the spiritweb of a God. (Hopefully neither extreme is anywhere close to true)

... How to resplinter Adonalsium, boom all that work goes down the drain, but you get more people to watch the fall of Adonalsium again, taking photos from a safe distance, and who knows how many new shards there will be, this may become the 61st shard.