Torero Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 Had SA1 re-read over a dozen times but only re-reading SA3 for the first time and stumbling on stuff I did not notice before. Dalinar is escaping from visiting Jah Keved, specifically from the Thrill almost attacking him there. Q1. If the Thrill is so strong in that city, why is no one else affected: armed soldiers, Taravangian, Navani and so on? Is the Thrill selective? Why were the armies fighting before with strong Thrill influence but now everyone is perfectly quiet? Q2. It felt like the Thrill followed Dalinar through the gateway, did it? If yes, how? Q3. Dalinar pulls a shardblade from somewhere to operate the gateway? The Stormfather was unhappy, but was it really Stormfather manifested as the blade? What was that blade if not?
Treamayne Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Torero said: Had SA1 re-read over a dozen times but only re-reading SA3 for the first time and stumbling on stuff I did not notice before. Dalinar is escaping from visiting Jah Keved, specifically from the Thrill almost attacking him there. It's not the Thrill attacking him, it's Odium. Ch. 100 Clue: Spoiler The beleaguered inhabitants of Vedenar scurried away from him. Is this leadership? To cry each night? To shake and tremble? Those are the actions of a child, not a man. “Leave me alone!” Give me your pain. Dalinar looked toward the sky and let out a raw bellow. Nergaoul is nearly mindless. He's attracted to violence and inflames those emotions. He certainly doesn't talk to the people he influences in any other scene where we see the Thrill acting upon the viewpoint character. Dalinar takes these thoughts as being his own and/or from his memories; but this "give me your pain" shows the whole thing was an attack by Odium pushing Dalinar to a point where he will become Odium's champion. Quote Q1. If the Thrill is so strong in that city, why is no one else affected: armed soldiers, Taravangian, Navani and so on? Is the Thrill selective? Why were the armies fighting before with strong Thrill influence but now everyone is perfectly quiet? The thrill is attracted to violence; as Dalinar remembered what happened at Rathalas - he opened his old connection to Nergaoul and Odium used that as a conduit to attack. Quote Q2. It felt like the Thrill followed Dalinar through the gateway, did it? If yes, how? While Nergaoul is a distinct entity, his effect covers huge regions (during the Civil War, he was effecting every soldier for miles around the entire city), just as everybody in Kholinar felt Ashertmarn - but the effects were only noticeable once a Connection was formed (joining the revel) and grew stronger as that Connection strengthened. As far as the Gateway is concerned - Urithuru is certainly closer to Vedenar than the Shattered Plains - and Nergaoul was still affecting those with a Strong Connection on the Shattered Plains while it was in Jah Kaved (as seen in Dalinar's Viewpoint in TWoK). . . Quote Q3. Dalinar pulls a shardblade from somewhere to operate the gateway? The Stormfather was unhappy, but was it really Stormfather manifested as the blade? What was that blade if not? It was not a Shardblade - it was a piece of Honor's investiture (likely similar to that which makes Honorblades), but not formed into anything specific (or even manifested as a metal). Grabbing for it strained their bond and injured the Stormfather. Ch 100: Spoiler “I have to get away.” I will not be a sword to you. We spoke of this. Dalinar growled. He felt something he could touch, something beyond places. The power that bound worlds together. His power. Wait, the Stormfather said. This is not right! Dalinar ignored him, reaching beyond and pulling power through. Something bright white manifested in his hand, and he rammed it into the keyhole. The Stormfather groaned, a sound like thunder. The power made the Oathgate work, regardless. Edited January 20, 2023 by Treamayne SPAG 2
Torero Posted January 20, 2023 Author Posted January 20, 2023 Interesting answers, thanks. I am fascinated by that power Dalinar is using. Why would Stormfather say that was "not right"?
Treamayne Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Torero said: Interesting answers, thanks. I am fascinated by that power Dalinar is using. Why would Stormfather say that was "not right"? Here we only have speculation (so far); but it is likely that the last time Stormfather had a Bondsmith was before Honor was Splintered - and back then a Bondsmith could not have done what Dalinar did. Honor's limits on surgebinding were more strict when he was around to enforce them. 1
Torero Posted January 20, 2023 Author Posted January 20, 2023 Yes, agreed, Dalinar is likely going beyond what used to be possible, encroaching into what would be the Honor level abilities, or even beyond.
IlstrawberrySeed Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 Could this be confirmation that he can make tanavastium? Even if only temporarily?
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