bmcclure7 Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 So awakening can be used to make computers, any clue how this is done?
HSuperLee Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 I mean as a general statement, computers work via "gates" that have an input and an output. Awaken something with a clear "on/off" state, like a light bulb, and tell it to watch the light bulb in front of it and turn on if that light bulb lights up. Do that a bunch of times and you have a computer. Beyond that, we don't know if the computers we see in TotES are functioning off Breath alone, or, as I suspect is more likely, they're normal, non-magical computers that have been upgraded by giving them Breath. In regards to true AI, Breaths are pieces of souls, so it only makes sense that if you gather enough of them you can stick them together and make a complete soul, albeit a patchwork one. 2
Leuthie Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 On 1/17/2023 at 6:44 PM, HSuperLee said: I mean as a general statement, computers work via "gates" that have an input and an output. Awaken something with a clear "on/off" state, like a light bulb, and tell it to watch the light bulb in front of it and turn on if that light bulb lights up. Do that a bunch of times and you have a computer. Beyond that, we don't know if the computers we see in TotES are functioning off Breath alone, or, as I suspect is more likely, they're normal, non-magical computers that have been upgraded by giving them Breath. In regards to true AI, Breaths are pieces of souls, so it only makes sense that if you gather enough of them you can stick them together and make a complete soul, albeit a patchwork one. Why would you use logic gates and Awakening? Using Investiture instead of electricity is one reason, but it seems a waste of Investiture. If you have access to the Cognitive and Spiritual Realms, there are much easier ways to develop a thought machine besides logic gates. I'm 99% certain that Cognitive silliness is used in lieu of what we would define as a computer. Programmable Cognitive entities fueled by Breaths and tied to a Physical console. If you can Awaken Physical object, you can probably awaken Cognitive entities to serve similar purposes.
HSuperLee Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Leuthie said: Why would you use logic gates and Awakening? Using Investiture instead of electricity is one reason, but it seems a waste of Investiture. If you have access to the Cognitive and Spiritual Realms, there are much easier ways to develop a thought machine besides logic gates. I'm 99% certain that Cognitive silliness is used in lieu of what we would define as a computer. Programmable Cognitive entities fueled by Breaths and tied to a Physical console. If you can Awaken Physical object, you can probably awaken Cognitive entities to serve similar purposes. I agree with you here, I don't believe making logic gates using awakening is at all reasonable. The original question was just about how you could make a computer with awakening, so I started by reply by giving the most straight forward answer based on what we've seen and what we know about awakening. Then I go onto what I think the more reasonable explanation is. I'm almost positive you can use awakening to give "programs" directly to an object, but since we've not seen it done and the original post was asking a question, I was conservative in my answer and replied only with what information we have seen in the books instead of speculating on possibilities through extrapolation of what we have seen. I assumed this post was going to get more replies that would go into the topic further, and then the discussion would begin. I was merely trying to start thing off by giving the "by the book" answer. 1
gremlin303 Posted February 11, 2023 Posted February 11, 2023 Do we know it’s just Awakening being used? I assumed it would be a combination of awakening and AonDor. Perhaps Seons (sp?) are used to give the computer ai as well
lacrossedeamon Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 11 hours ago, gremlin303 said: Do we know it’s just Awakening being used? I assumed it would be a combination of awakening and AonDor. Perhaps Seons (sp?) are used to give the computer ai as well The AI is called Seslo which is not an Aon so not likely to be a Seon
ScadrianTank he/him Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 My theory about the translation tablet was that it's a regular computer as we understand it, but it has an Awakened chip inside that manages Connection stuff. Like a magical GPU, but instead of graphics and rendering in manages Investiture stuff. (Hoid called the things awakened circuits, I think.) So the computer is powered by electricity, that's what the solar panel is for, and so is the Awakened part since Awakened objects don't need to be refueled once created. 3
Elder Posted February 28, 2023 Posted February 28, 2023 Actually, I wonder if one could use a combination of Awakening and Feruchemy to to make an Android.
Leuthie Posted February 28, 2023 Posted February 28, 2023 Awakening is issuing commands to non-living materials and having those materials follow them, ala Nightblood. If you're looking to power a computer using Investiture instead of electricity, it makes sense to Awaken a bunch of items as logic gates/transistors. Each gate can be Awakened to perform a specific Action when giving a specific Command. The Action would be to give a Command to the next gate. The Command would come from the previous logic gate or the "program". Think of the computers people build within Minecraft using redstone. Now replace redstone with Investiture provided by Awakening.
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