Lurcher flying

[Tamriel Wolfsbaine]

Do basic physics says that if I stand on a platform and try to pick myself up I will accomplish nothing more than a sweet isometric hold.  

But magic doesn't follow the most basic of physical law.  

Could a lurcher on a shield ironpull themselves above the ground or would they stay firmly planted? 

If a lurcher were on a shield and duralumin pulled straight up would they fly or would the shield just snap their legs as it tries to pancake their lower half and make it to the midsection?   

Edit: I suppose this is what we see with the flying machines.  

Would an iron compounder be able to use a shield like a hovervoard?  Or even have some attachable / detachable soles on their boots?  Maybe give them an aluminum cover so that outside influences couldn't push or pull on them but they could push on them?  

 

Picturing a wingsuit wearing iron compounder flying around steering with weight manipulation and simply adjusting which shoe to pull on and angling their legs to get new directions. 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Tamriel Wolfsbaine

[Adamkarma he/him]

I mean think about it. If a Lurcher Pulled on a coin on his outstretxhed palm, would it move him, or penetrate him?

I don't think it would.

So, no the Lurcher won't fly

[offer]

44 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said:

Do basic physics says that if I stand on a platform and try to pick myself up I will accomplish nothing more than a sweet isometric hold.  

But magic doesn't follow the most basic of physical law.  

Could a lurcher on a shield ironpull themselves above the ground or would they stay firmly planted? 

If a lurcher were on a shield and duralumin pulled straight up would they fly or would the shield just snap their legs as it tries to pancake their lower half and make it to the midsection?   

Edit: I suppose this is what we see with the flying machines.  

Would an iron compounder be able to use a shield like a hovervoard?  Or even have some attachable / detachable soles on their boots?  Maybe give them an aluminum cover so that outside influences couldn't push or pull on them but they could push on them?  

 

Picturing a wingsuit wearing iron compounder flying around steering with weight manipulation and simply adjusting which shoe to pull on and angling their legs to get new directions. 

When steelpushing the same force is applied on you as on the metal yoou push so what you propose won`t work. It is the same physics as trying to pull the shield up physically.

[alder24]

51 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said:

Could a lurcher on a shield ironpull themselves above the ground or would they stay firmly planted? 

Lurcher attract metals towards their chest. If he stands perfectly on top of it, so it wouldn't sliped from his feets, then lurcher will not only need to pull shield, but also himself. So he is pulling something equally as heavy as he is. If lurcher pulls something as massive as he is, both will move towards themselves. And because both shield and lurcher can't move any closer, they would not move at all.  

51 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said:

If a lurcher were on a shield and duralumin pulled straight up would they fly or would the shield just snap their legs as it tries to pancake their lower half and make it to the midsection?   

I think duralumin would break his legs, as the plate would want to move towards his chest. 

6 minutes ago, Adamkarma said:

I mean think about it. If a Lurcher Pulled on a coin on his outstretxhed palm, would it move him, or penetrate him?

Coin wouldn't have any speed, so it will just push a little against his hand, trying to move closer to his chest.

Edited December 30, 2022 by alder24

[Tamriel Wolfsbaine]

2 minutes ago, offer said:

When steelpushing the same force is applied on you as on the metal yoou push so what you propose won`t work. It is the same physics as trying to pull the shield up physically.

Does the strength of your allomancy become less as you lower your weight or more as you increase it?  Should Waxes allomantic strength increase as his weight does or should he just be able to move bigger things away from him?  

5 minutes ago, Adamkarma said:

I mean think about it. If a Lurcher Pulled on a coin on his outstretxhed palm, would it move him, or penetrate him?

I don't think it would.

So, no the Lurcher won't fly

Why do you back the butt of a rifle or shotgun up against your arm instead of holding it away from it?  Would it be worse to get slapped or have someone press their hand against your face already and then push it away with the same force that they would have swung with?   

Its hard to build up enough momentum for a platform to penetrate your body when there is no distance for it to generate the speed to build the momentum.  

7 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Lurcher attract metals towards their chest. If he stands perfectly on top of it, so it wouldn't sliped from his feets, then lurcher will not only need to pull shield, but also himself. So he is pulling something equally as heavy as he is. If lurcher pulls something as massive as he is, both will move towards themselves. And because both shield and lurcher can't move any closer, they would not move at all.  

I think duralumin would break his legs, as the plate would want to move towards his chest. 

Coin wouldn't have any speed, so it will just push a little against his hand, trying to move closer to his chest.

I guess it all makes sense that it is still just him pulling against himself.  I guess the whirling hammer is still the best way for an iron compounder to fly.  I had this picture of magneto in my brain and it wouldn't leave me alone until I asked. 

[offer]

16 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said:

Does the strength of your allomancy become less as you lower your weight or more as you increase it?  Should Waxes allomantic strength increase as his weight does or should he just be able to move bigger things away from him?  

I don`t think your allomatic strengh change when you store or tap weight.

The force applied is still the same but it will affect you less if you are heavier. When tapping weight Wax would be able to push harder without being pushed back as much.

 

[alder24]

2 hours ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said:

I guess the whirling hammer is still the best way for an iron compounder to fly.

How? Flying like Thor doesn't work.

2 hours ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said:

I had this picture of magneto in my brain and it wouldn't leave me alone until I asked. 

But Magneto use magnetism, Lurcher doesn't. 

[Tamriel Wolfsbaine]

21 minutes ago, alder24 said:

How? Flying like Thor doesn't work.

But Magneto use magnetism, Lurcher doesn't. 

Taking a heavy object and spinning it only to launch it upwards and then store weight wouldn't work?  You could send it out pull yourself to it and enjoy the ride.  

[alder24]

12 hours ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said:

Taking a heavy object and spinning it only to launch it upwards and then store weight wouldn't work?  You could send it out pull yourself to it and enjoy the ride.  

You would have to store almost all your weight so the conservation of momentum would work that way, but you would have to be able to throw that hammer far enough to make you "fly" - you don't have enough strength and throw it far enough to fly for long, few meters, dozens of meters at best, with your feet slowing you down and constantly hitting the ground. Not really a flying. Spinning the object won't help that much. The best you could do is what hammer throw at the Olympics record is - around 80 meters - but this is not a hammer but a 7kg ball on a long string, That's not a hammer, hammer is very bad aerodynamically.

[The Subsumer he/him]

On 12/30/2022 at 0:41 PM, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said:

If a lurcher were on a shield and duralumin pulled straight up would they fly or would the shield just snap their legs as it tries to pancake their lower half and make it to the midsection?   

Here's the thing about pulling on something below you: you're pulling yourself down. So no, this wouldn't work. But neither would it be pulled up to your chest. Instead, you would just kind of... collapse. 

That's the one negative to Lurching. Well, I say one. There are a couple. I find it useful to picture Lurching as Spider-Man. Spider-Man shoot webs and pulls on them to swing around the city just like a Lurcher swings around on their allomantic lines. If Spider-Man pulls up on something below is feet with his webs, does he start to hover? No, because that's not how physics works.

Instead, this would pull him down. Since Lurching and Conshooting (Coinsooting? Coinshooting.) are opposites, this would have the same effect as a Coinshot Pushing on the ceiling above them- and conversely the opposite effect of a Coinshot pushing on something on the ground. 

Even with the F-Iron proposed, this wouldn't work (though that is clever). Making yourself lighter would simply make it so you're pulled harder towards the thing beneath you. So as fun as it is to picture a Lurcher just terrifying people by hovering around town like a total boss, it's not really feasible.

This leads to the sad fact that Lurching is less useful then A-Steel *shakes fist angrily at Shards*. But still, I think swinging around the city- especially with steel skyscrapers- and being able to gain speed whilst cornering is definitely cooler than just flying away from everything.

My own pet theory for Lurcher flight? Iron Cannon. Dude gets in a series of circles all lined up in a nice cylinder, pulls on them gaining speed and more speed until he goes flying out to wherever the thing is pointing. Off topic? Yes. Potentially awesome? Also yes.

 

 

[Tamriel Wolfsbaine]

2 hours ago, The Subsumer said:

Here's the thing about pulling on something below you: you're pulling yourself down. So no, this wouldn't work. But neither would it be pulled up to your chest. Instead, you would just kind of... collapse. 

That's the one negative to Lurching. Well, I say one. There are a couple. I find it useful to picture Lurching as Spider-Man. Spider-Man shoot webs and pulls on them to swing around the city just like a Lurcher swings around on their allomantic lines. If Spider-Man pulls up on something below is feet with his webs, does he start to hover? No, because that's not how physics works.

Instead, this would pull him down. Since Lurching and Conshooting (Coinsooting? Coinshooting.) are opposites, this would have the same effect as a Coinshot Pushing on the ceiling above them- and conversely the opposite effect of a Coinshot pushing on something on the ground. 

Even with the F-Iron proposed, this wouldn't work (though that is clever). Making yourself lighter would simply make it so you're pulled harder towards the thing beneath you. So as fun as it is to picture a Lurcher just terrifying people by hovering around town like a total boss, it's not really feasible.

This leads to the sad fact that Lurching is less useful then A-Steel *shakes fist angrily at Shards*. But still, I think swinging around the city- especially with steel skyscrapers- and being able to gain speed whilst cornering is definitely cooler than just flying away from everything.

My own pet theory for Lurcher flight? Iron Cannon. Dude gets in a series of circles all lined up in a nice cylinder, pulls on them gaining speed and more speed until he goes flying out to wherever the thing is pointing. Off topic? Yes. Potentially awesome? Also yes.

 

 

I have certainly pictured twin pillars set up to slingshot a lurcher up and out via pulling on both of them at the same time.  

Lurcher flying is definately cooler to picture than just the big jumps.  Exactly as you said Spiderman swinging around town.