Tamriel Wolfsbaine Posted December 23, 2022 Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) I have been thinking about innate investiture for a bit now and found myself questioning what all has it and exactly how much you need to sense life. I know all investiture is on some sort of spectrum but I am slightly confused by it and worried I may have missed something in my warbreaker reading or even forward. Drabs don't have enough innate investiture to be sensed via life sense. How much have they lost? I imagine that a person with 1 breath would be easier to sense than a person with no breath from somewhere else but people from other planets can be sensed. Life sense is not bronze so kinetic investiture means nothing really for this. For the fauna of worlds I haven't heard much about life sense picking up animals. But lifesense seems to be able to sense spren. On Roshar you have some animals large enough to need some form of bond with spren to stop from crushing themselves or for other reasons to make their existence possible. Do you think a chasmfiend would be invested enough to be picked up by lifesense alone? Or a white spine? Or do you think that the spren an animal had to bond would be the only thing lifesense could pick up? It may be useful out in the woods to not be hunted by something if you really can sense it staring you down and watching you. Are spren being picked up from lifesense or are they being picked up from the 7th heightening bonus of recognizing invested objects? Are spren innate investiture or kinetic investiture? Do you think it would be easier to sense a ryshadium vs a normal horse on Roshar? Edited December 23, 2022 by Tamriel Wolfsbaine
offer Posted December 23, 2022 Posted December 23, 2022 I believe that sensing spren is part of lifesense (I don`t think Zahel has enough breath for the 7th heightening) which is acctually sensing invetiture. Drabs have lesss inate investiture so they are hard to sense, but maybe it is possible to sense them via lifesense with enough experiencce (though we never saw this is). Quote Do you think a chasmfiend would be invested enough to be picked up by lifesense alone? Or a white spine? Or do you think that the spren an animal had to bond would be the only thing lifesense could pick up? It may be useful out in the woods to not be hunted by something if you really can sense it staring you down and watching you. Yes, both animals have innate investiture so I think they could be sensed enough without the spren-bond. Ryshadium will be easier to sense than other horses because they are more invested.
Tamriel Wolfsbaine Posted December 23, 2022 Author Posted December 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, offer said: I believe that sensing spren is part of lifesense (I don`t think Zahel has enough breath for the 7th heightening) which is acctually sensing invetiture. Drabs have lesss inate investiture so they are hard to sense, but maybe it is possible to sense them via lifesense with enough experiencce (though we never saw this is). Yes, both animals have innate investiture so I think they could be sensed enough without the spren-bond. Ryshadium will be easier to sense than other horses because they are more invested. Do you think that a drab loses so much innate investiture that they are less invested than animals of all sizes? Would Vasher have been able to sense that squirell before it was dead and made lifeless?
offer Posted December 23, 2022 Posted December 23, 2022 37 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: Do you think that a drab loses so much innate investiture that they are less invested than animals of all sizes? Would Vasher have been able to sense that squirell before it was dead and made lifeless? I think that human-sized (e.g. dogs) animals have more inevstiture than drabs, but this is mainly because I think they have almost they same amount as humans. It is possible that Brandon does`nt think likewise and humans do have more invetiture than animals.
Tamriel Wolfsbaine Posted December 23, 2022 Author Posted December 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, offer said: I think that human-sized (e.g. dogs) animals have more inevstiture than drabs, but this is mainly because I think they have almost they same amount as humans. It is possible that Brandon does`nt think likewise and humans do have more invetiture than animals. How invested do you suppose plant life is? Enough for perfect lifesense to say there is a tree over here or you are in a field of grass?
Treamayne Posted December 26, 2022 Posted December 26, 2022 On 12/23/2022 at 11:31 AM, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: I have been thinking about innate investiture for a bit now and found myself questioning what all has it and exactly how much you need to sense life. I know all investiture is on some sort of spectrum but I am slightly confused by it and worried I may have missed something in my warbreaker reading or even forward. Drabs don't have enough innate investiture to be sensed via life sense. How much have they lost? I imagine that a person with 1 breath would be easier to sense than a person with no breath from somewhere else but people from other planets can be sensed. Life sense is not bronze so kinetic investiture means nothing really for this. For the fauna of worlds I haven't heard much about life sense picking up animals. But lifesense seems to be able to sense spren. On Roshar you have some animals large enough to need some form of bond with spren to stop from crushing themselves or for other reasons to make their existence possible. Do you think a chasmfiend would be invested enough to be picked up by lifesense alone? Or a white spine? Or do you think that the spren an animal had to bond would be the only thing lifesense could pick up? It may be useful out in the woods to not be hunted by something if you really can sense it staring you down and watching you. Are spren being picked up from lifesense or are they being picked up from the 7th heightening bonus of recognizing invested objects? Are spren innate investiture or kinetic investiture? Do you think it would be easier to sense a ryshadium vs a normal horse on Roshar? On 12/23/2022 at 1:43 PM, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: How invested do you suppose plant life is? Enough for perfect lifesense to say there is a tree over here or you are in a field of grass? Most of this is found in the Coppermind and Arcanum: Spoiler Quote The Fourth Heightening grants Perfect Life Sense, maximizing the ability to instinctively sense other people around you, and to tell when they are watching you. Users can also sense plants, such as grass or lichen.[8] Life Sense can also sense spren, even if they are invisible.[9] Drabs are not detectable, though.[10] Anyone with Breath has some quantity of life sense, but it is imperfect until the Fourth Heightening.[11] If an Aviar like Kokerlii were nearby, it would interfere with the Awakener's life sense.[12] Copperclouds,[13] a Feruchemist filling a nicrosilmind with their Investiture fully,[14] and Aluminum can also block life sense.[15] Quote Questioner And then is there a connection between Aviars, copperclouds, aluminum, and the yellow spren, life sense, seeking? Brandon Sanderson Yeah, yeah all that, there are some relationships there. Questioner So they all pretty much would affect each other? Brandon Sanderson Ummm, yes, yes. Quote CealdishOrbLender Can a Smoker block an Awakener's lifesense? Brandon Sanderson That will work, yes. Quote Brandon Sanderson Life Sense as Part of the Magic I think that there's still a lot of superstition in our modern world regarding how it feels to have someone watching you. We are more aware of our surroundings, sometimes, than we realize. I think we attribute a supernatural connection to some of these things. Who knows? Maybe there is one. I don't know, perhaps I've got a bit of it myself. Enhancing this and making it part of the magic was a way to get the visceral feel I was looking for. It also plays off the idea that by giving up your Breath, you give up part of your life. The fact that Drabs can't be noticed by life sense allows me to show that they have taken one more step toward being objects themselves. BioChroma. It turns objects into living things, but turns living things into objects as well. Quote NutiketAiel (paraphrased) If a native of Sel or another Shardworld traveled to Nalthis, would they be a drab? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No, they would not be a drab. But, no one would be able to take their Breath.
Recommended Posts