Singersbreath Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 So I had a thought. Could someone that has reached the second or third heightening (the one that grants perfect pitch) out sing the Singers and possibly control all the lights? If so could someone like Vasher or Hoid possibly give breaths to Nivani, Jasnah, or Shallan in order to help them either more efficiently use Stormlight or steal the void light from the singers without Aluminum?
Quantus he/him Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 If by "Sing out the Singers" you mean Sing to the Rhythms, no that requires a more specific Connection to the Spiritual realm (typically via a gemheart). But they would be able to do all the Light manipulation we saw in RoW that was being done with normal sound (vocals, tuning fork, resonant plates, etc) far easier with their pitch senses. Now if you have Heightenings AND happen to be a Lightweaver like somebody we know, you should be able to do a whole lot more direct Light and Waveform manipulation, which suddenly seems a lot more powerful than just the Lasers we'd been theorizing... 1
Singersbreath Posted July 13, 2022 Author Posted July 13, 2022 I wasn’t meaning specifically singing to the Rhythms, but by having perfect pitch one could manipulate the lights since you would have the Tones and the Intent, throw in some empty spheres and you could either drain or funnel light however you would need it. I wonder if you could even overpower a singer or fused to drain their light/ Spren.
cometaryorbit Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 I don't think Hoid actually has many Breaths after the RoW epilogue (his perfect pitch is lost or at least messed up) and Vasher's current number of Breaths is unknown - he's living on Stormlight now so he doesn't necessarily have many. But if they do have enough, perfect pitch would definitely be very useful for what Navani and Raboniel were doing! 1
Singersbreath Posted July 13, 2022 Author Posted July 13, 2022 Well to give the second heightening to the three main ladies you would need approximately 600 breaths. And according to the coppermind wiki you can harvest breaths from those not of Nalthis but they would be less than a full breath but more than a drab, so I might venture to say two Rosharins to one Nalthian as far as breaths go. Suppose someone of lax morals found out the possibility of gathering breaths from singers. I’m sure you could round up enough breath from prisoners to give at least one of the main women the second heightening. And since it shouldn’t kill them only make them Drab then it’s not dishonorable. All this to say that if the stormlight archives are meant to bring in all these magics into use then I don’t see why this couldn’t happen. I guess we will just have to RAFO. I can’t wait to see if Hoid manages to combine all the magic systems of the cosmere what he could do, maybe even bring back the dragons?
offer Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Singersbreath said: Well to give the second heightening to the three main ladies you would need approximately 600 breaths. And according to the coppermind wiki you can harvest breaths from those not of Nalthis but they would be less than a full breath but more than a drab, so I might venture to say two Rosharins to one Nalthian as far as breaths go. Suppose someone of lax morals found out the possibility of gathering breaths from singers. I’m sure you could round up enough breath from prisoners to give at least one of the main women the second heightening. And since it shouldn’t kill them only make them Drab then it’s not dishonorable. All this to say that if the stormlight archives are meant to bring in all these magics into use then I don’t see why this couldn’t happen. I guess we will just have to RAFO. I can’t wait to see if Hoid manages to combine all the magic systems of the cosmere what he could do, maybe even bring back the dragons? As far as I understand non-Nalthian have more investiture than a drab but it is not a drab and cannot be given. I think that to get more breaths you need to get them from Nalthis (probably not far in shadesmar) or to find a way to turn stormlight to breaths - Zahel is doing something of this sort which means it might be possible. 1
Singersbreath Posted July 13, 2022 Author Posted July 13, 2022 Well now that we have a proper scientist in Nivani, if Hoid or Vasher brought this to her and if she survives the next 10 days that stormlight 5 is supposed to cover then she would have time to work on it, possibly. Another alternative is if the humans/ radiant singers are forced to flee Roshar then phase 2 could be the cast going to these other realms to gather Allies to fight Odium back on Roshar. This would allow us to see how all the shards/ magics strengthen each other.
Quantus he/him Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, offer said: As far as I understand non-Nalthian have more investiture than a drab but it is not a drab and cannot be given. I think that to get more breaths you need to get them from Nalthis (probably not far in shadesmar) or to find a way to turn stormlight to breaths - Zahel is doing something of this sort which means it might be possible. That's correct: A drab has less than a normal person on any other world, who has less than a 1-breath Nalthian. The breath essentially sticks to and takes with it some of the innate Investiture of the person born with it. Zahel has a way to feed his divine breath with Stormlight without actually converting them to Breaths. Per WOB he doesnt know how to do that yet (and neither does Hoid) but it sounds like that is a primary goal of the Ghostbloods since they are some of the most power and easiest forms to transport off-world. Quote Ilkhan2016 Breath and Stormlight are both forms of Investiture. AFAIK you can power any of the magic systems from any form of Investiture. Zahel is on Roshar, I believe, primarily due to how easy Investiture (Stormlight) is to come across. AFAIK the form of Investiture doesn't change anything about the abilities. For example, Szeth was sucked out of Stormlight when he drew Nightblood; and Azure used Stormlight to Awaken in Shadesmar. /u/mistborn is that right? Brandon Sanderson A lot of this depends on the Investiture and the magic in question. Azure was legit using Breaths, for example--ones she'd brought with her. But Szeth was able to feed Stormlight to Nightblood, much as Vasher uses Stormlight to keep himself alive. To Awaken with Stormlight, the easiest thing to do would be to first change Stormlight into Breaths--something that Azure doesn't know how to do. (Admittedly, Hoid doesn't either, so it's not like it's a simple thing to achieve.) You could also theoretically use some magical (or mechanical) means to power your Awakening with a different form of Investiture. Extesian This is very interesting. Is it possible then in the Cosmere for the 'intent' (spin or however described) of Investiture to be changed? And I mean within reasonable limits (not the powers of six shards or any of that). Can a Shard effectively grow in power in a place (e.g. toward an avatar) through another Shard's Investiture being changed (not just corrupted)? Or is it just making one type ('intent' - you should canonize a word for this :D) of Investiture mimic the properties of another? Brandon Sanderson Most of the ways of accomplishing what you're talking about would involve either 1) fooling/overwriting your spiritual makeup somehow. (This is what Hemalurgy does, for example.) 2) Refining the power somehow into a more pure form. But there are a lot of variables. The way magic from Nalthis works, for example, the system is just looking for any available Investiture to power itself--and so basically anything will do, regardless of the source. This includes consuming your own soul, in some cases... You'll see terminology coming along eventually that facilitates talking about all of this. I'm not yet decided on some of it. Celestial_Blu3 How many Breaths does [Azure] have by her final appearance in OB? Brandon Sanderson That's a RAFO, I'm afraid. General Reddit 2019 (April 25, 2019) Quote ZenBossanova (paraphrased) Can Vasher use Stormlight to Awaken things? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No, all it does is keep him alive. But he has tried and has not figured out how to Awaken things. Firefight Phoenix signing (Jan. 21, 2015) 1
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