Bacon Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) Odium literally shows Taravangian the Plot Outline for The Stormlight Archive. Which I think makes Taravangian's inner monologue about how amazing and deep it all is, the most self-indulgent thing Sanderson has ever published. This isn't criticism. It is, however, hilarious. Edited February 15, 2022 by Bacon It was requested in the thread 5
Robin Sedai she/her Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 Dude that's disgusting why would you even make that comparison 1
Bacon Posted February 12, 2022 Author Posted February 12, 2022 On 2022-02-12 at 3:09 AM, Robin Hatter said: Dude that's disgusting why would you even make that comparison Despite the similar spelling, that's not what that word means. ( not when used in terms of writing fiction, anyway. ) 2
Robin Sedai she/her Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bacon said: Despite the similar spelling, that's not what that word means. Whoops, sorry! English is not my first language, and I apologise for misunderstanding you. Very embarrassed right now Edited February 12, 2022 by Robin Hatter alright, technically it is my first language, but I don't get a lot of chances to practice it soo
Quivil Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) so what does it mean when applied to fiction? Edited February 12, 2022 by Tani 1
CryoZenith he/him Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Tani said: so what does it mean when applied to fiction? Patting yourself on the back.
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) What word are we talking about? masturbatory? Edited February 12, 2022 by Thaidakar the Ghostblood
CryoZenith he/him Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 Here's the Merriam-Webster entry: masturbatory (adj): 1: of, relating to, or involving masturbation 2: excessively self-absorbed or self-indulgent And the very first example phrase for definition 2 on MW is about writing books.
Guest Posted February 14, 2022 Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) Honestly, no, I disagree with your analysis. I think it was Taravangian's seeing the future for the first time and all of the possible paths. He thinks to himself that that ability is amazing and deep. Not that the story is amazing and deep. P.s. this is not a comment on my view of the Stormlight Archive. It is my favorite fictional series at the moment and is the series that Harry Potter fans think that Harry Potter is (I said it. It had to be said.) Edited February 14, 2022 by DougTheRug adding a thought to prevent double posting
Ixthos Luke/Luke Posted February 14, 2022 Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DougTheRug said: P.s. this is not a comment on my view of the Stormlight Archive. It is my favorite fictional series at the moment and is the series that Harry Potter fans think that Harry Potter is (I said it. It had to be said.) Ten Orders beats Four Houses! (I do like Harry Potter, but I also prefer Stormlight Archive.) [Edit] Also, @Bacon just a heads up, but that term, even when used to refer to fiction, is still a deliberate reference to the act, as it deliberately invokes the image of the act to compare something to it, so either way it is a distasteful term to use. Edited February 14, 2022 by Ixthos 3
Quivil Posted February 14, 2022 Posted February 14, 2022 25 minutes ago, Ixthos said: [Edit] Also, @Bacon just a heads up, but that term, even when used to refer to fiction, is still a deliberate reference to the act, as it deliberately invokes the image of the act to compare something to it, so either way it is a distasteful term to use. @Bacon please change it. 1
Forms of mind Posted February 14, 2022 Posted February 14, 2022 This is the one of the funniest misunderstandings
Quivil Posted February 14, 2022 Posted February 14, 2022 @AonEne please come and see if this is appropriate?
AonEne he/him Posted February 14, 2022 Posted February 14, 2022 Hey, thanks for the ping! While the word 'masturbatory' can genuinely be used in this context, it does carry a sexual connotation. It's removed enough that we're willing to let it pass, but we would like you to keep in mind the line from our Code of Conduct which says: "It is every member's responsibility to make this community an enjoyable and comfortable place. Text based messages do not always come across as intended and as our community spans the globe, language barriers can also present further misunderstandings--remember to give people the benefit of the doubt as it is likely the case that they have good intentions." This is not something we as staff are going to edit out ourselves in this context, or PM the members involved about. However, it does bother some people, and it's not hard to change it to 'self-indulgent' or something else less crass, if you're willing. We would prefer for all members to feel comfortable in our community. In the end, it's Bacon's choice. Please feel free to make a thread in 17S Discussion if anyone wants to discuss this further.
Bacon Posted February 15, 2022 Author Posted February 15, 2022 On 2022-02-14 at 2:41 PM, AonEne said: Hey, thanks for the ping! While the word 'masturbatory' can genuinely be used in this context, it does carry a sexual connotation. It's removed enough that we're willing to let it pass, but we would like you to keep in mind the line from our Code of Conduct which says: "It is every member's responsibility to make this community an enjoyable and comfortable place. Text based messages do not always come across as intended and as our community spans the globe, language barriers can also present further misunderstandings--remember to give people the benefit of the doubt as it is likely the case that they have good intentions." This is not something we as staff are going to edit out ourselves in this context, or PM the members involved about. However, it does bother some people, and it's not hard to change it to 'self-indulgent' or something else less crass, if you're willing. We would prefer for all members to feel comfortable in our community. In the end, it's Bacon's choice. Please feel free to make a thread in 17S Discussion if anyone wants to discuss this further. Ok, I can do that It doesn't quite get across the same meaning, but a slightly diluted message is certainly preferable to all this mess. On 2022-02-14 at 10:46 AM, DougTheRug said: Honestly, no, I disagree with your analysis. I think it was Taravangian's seeing the future for the first time and all of the possible paths. He thinks to himself that that ability is amazing and deep. Not that the story is amazing and deep. P.s. this is not a comment on my view of the Stormlight Archive. It is my favorite fictional series at the moment and is the series that Harry Potter fans think that Harry Potter is (I said it. It had to be said.) it's not all possible paths, just the most likely one. The future Odium sees is like a highly-detailed snapshot. And I don't think Sanderson did that on purpose. That's why I find it funny. Because the effect is the same. The diagram Odium paints is precisely a projected outline of the plot going forward from that specific moment, based on everything Sanderson had planned at the time of that writing. ( minus the influence of Renarin ) 1
CJ Feboris Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 On 2/15/2022 at 1:12 AM, Bacon said: And I don't think Sanderson did that on purpose. Of all things said in this post, this is the most insupportable. I'm not sure that there is anything that he has written by accident, he shows what he wants to show and obfuscates what he wants to, he is probably the best author I have ever read to do this. He is not putting a single line into his magnum opus without thought and revision. 1
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