Chartreuse Penguin Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) A little incomplete ISO of Axolotl because I'm tired >> Spoiler C1 First post: RP with poke/stab(?) vote on Gorilla (note that this is the first vote on Gorilla). Would be leaning mild elim because poke voting a teammate is a common distancing strategy IMO, but since this vote literally never came off, I'm leaning slight village. Second post: asking Swan to vote Gorilla at this point, VC was: (3) Pearl Chameleon: Scarlet Octopus, Mauve Crocodile, Salmon Meerkat (1) Charcoal Hyena: Chartreuse Penguin, (1) Amethyst Scorpion: Charcoal Hyena, (1) Torquoise Gorilla: Violet Axolotl, (1) Scarlet Octopus: Amber Vulture, (1) Melon Dingo: Coral Swan, (1) Coral Swan: Oxblood Beagle, With Cham leading the exe…it just doesnt make sense to want more people to vote on another elim…leaning village. Third post: agrees that they’re being too eager, should just make poke vote and leave. Except it wasn't really a poke vote because it started a train and never left it. Slight elim. Fourth post: NAI Fifth to Ninth posts: interesting interaction with Cham; argues with Cham about missing the guilty until proven idea: Could technically be distancing but I'm having a hard time reading this as e/e. Leaning village. Tenth post: insists that voting is necessary. NAI C2 First post: Quote Dyring himself had pushed for the death of one of the townsfolk, and that person might just as easily have been an innocent bystander. But, well, some things just had to be done. Lightly defends Gorilla and suggests v/v/v D1 exe. Slight elim. Second post: Quote In this case we would expect elim votes spread around, almost certainly no more than two on a single target. And probably not doubling up, unless Pearl is elim (for reference, Pearl had several votes which all dropped away, which also happened to an elim in the last LG). If Pearl is elim, then I'd say that either Swan or Penguin is likely to be as well. Attempting to set up grounds to later implicate me or swan?? Quote Right now I'd probably lean toward Iguana over Gorilla, on account of the things I dislike about Gorilla looking more like playstyle things like elim things (I still dislike them though!). Possibly hedging. But…Axo also ends that post with vote on Cham. Sigh. VC was: (2) Magenta Albatross: Amber Vulture, Turquoise Gorilla, (1) Saffron Iguana: Emerald Falcon, (1) Azure Mouse: Salmon Meerkat, (1) Fuschia Ostrich: Oxblood Beagle, (1) Turquoise Gorilla: Coral Swan, This post has got some slightly suspicious parts, but overall I think I'll lean village again, if only for the vote. Third post: Says iguana exe is okay, but expresses suspicion on Cham, provides solid reasoning that I definitely read as Village. Fourth post: I think this entire post is pretty villager-y. Fifth post: NAI C3: First post: votes meerkat for tineye scan. Quote Will note that the Coinshot is likely not elim, based on the double-kill on Octo Mild elim for softclearing Beagle. Second to Fourth posts: NAI Fifth post: Quote My first thought past Meerkat is that I don’t like Pearl, specifically because of Meerkat’s response to my suggestion of what happened. Which is kinda weird, because the fact Meerkat was the one to push against voting for Pearl means I wasn’t right in the first place. But I think that fits with Meerkat’s response, since he knew that the elims didn’t ignore the Pearl train. It doesn’t guarantee Pearl is evil, since Meerkat’s response could just come from a place of knowing I’m wrong and trying to fake being villagery. As for the rest, well, at least we have a fair amount of material to sift through Reads extremely village, and this was notably prior to Meerkat’s gambit reveal (find entire post below). Sixth post: NAI Seventh post: NAI, but slight interaction w/ gorilla does not read e/e Eighth post: NAI C4: First post: responds to beagle asking if axo is still suspicious of cham by placing a vote on cham, when the VC was: (5) Turquoise Gorilla: Coral Swan, Onyx Flamingo, Salmon Meerkat, Quartz Zebra, Fuschia Ostrich (4) Emerald Falcon: Amethyst Scorpion, Pearl Chameleon, Plum Rhino, Oxblood Beagle, (2) Oxblood Beagle; Emerald Falcon, Chartreuse Penguin (1) Fuschia Ostrich: Mint Hero Could’ve voted falcon to attempt to save gorilla, but instead started a new exe another elim. Leaning village. Second post: asks people to vote Cham if unsure of gorilla/falcon. Leaning village. C5: First + second post: contemplates e!lurcher, v!hyena, and WBG possibility. Mild Elim. Third post: says they would never claim coinshot to meerkat bc he can still be E regardless of which way hyena flips. Fourth post: analyses d1-3 votes and puts out a reads list, reading Hyena and Beagle elim but Cham village. @Violet Axolotl Why suddenly move Cham to your village reads after having expressed suspicions/voted on Cham multiple times prior to this? Leaning Elim. A surprising number of Axo's posts seem to make me lean village. Which makes me...paranoid. Are they just a great villager or have they been insanely distancing since day one?? That last post in my ISO is especially odd because of Cham's placement in their reads list. And then there's some potential D1 vote shenanigans stuff... EDIT: My current suspicions are: Mouse, Dingo, Axolotl, (MAAYBEE rhino) - in that order Expect a post on mouse and dingo Soon (TM) EDIT2: Happy Birthday, El! Edited January 24, 2022 by Chartreuse Penguin
Violet Axolotl Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said: Fourth post: analyses d1-3 votes and puts out a reads list, reading Hyena and Beagle elim but Cham village. @Violet Axolotl Why suddenly move Cham to your village reads after having expressed suspicions/voted on Cham multiple times prior to this? Leaning Elim. I think that was because at the time I thought the elims had spread their votes D1, so Cham and Gorilla voting together didn't fit with that. I might have also been trying to un-tunnel. But honestly can't remember my train of thought. 12 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said: Are they just a great villager or have they been insanely distancing since day one?? I would say that I've just been lucky, and furthermore, I've landed in just the right spot with enough suspicion that the elims don't want to kill me, but the village also has never really pushed to vote me out.
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 Final votes from D3 and I've got some conclusion - D3 Meerkat (0) Albatross Swan Axolotl Beagle Ostrich Chameleon Dingo Flamingo Scorpion Penguin Dragonfly Hyena Heron Meerkat Falcon (4) (2) Meerkat Scorpion Chameleon Rhino Beagle Vulture Gorilla (8) (9) Swan Flamingo Meerkat Ostrich Zebra Albatross Scorpion Falcon Beagle (1) Penguin Falcon Albatross (0) Gorilla Ostrich (1) Heron Chameleon(1) Axolotl Falcon Flamingo (0) Scorpion Hyena Zebra (1) Hyena The absurd thing here is I'm actually thinking all 8 out of 8 on the Gorilla train are village. I think it was a pure village train. Because let's look at bussing opportunities, shall we? Because Gorilla vote was never a foregone conclusion. Iguana was leading 3-2 [with Flamingo already voting Gorilla] and we have 3 votes within an hour with Meerkat, me and Zebra joining on Gorilla, with Rhino and Beagle countering to making it 5-4. As evident with Beagle's vote at this point, they are still trying to save Gorilla, which is why I'm adding village points to Flamingo and Zebra. Alb could have equalized, but went our way, again not showing protective tendency. The main thing that went wrong for elims is that the opposing train was Falcon. Why? Because this meant Hyena could never ever vote for them without obviously outing themselves [after having claimed to have scanned Falcon as village], which is why Hyena was so adamant to find other trains as in Flamingo and Zebra. So, they don't have Hyena's vote, which makes Rhino's vote and the previously mentioned ISO of Falcon, Gorilla and Beagle so very odd. Could they have gone all in to save Gorilla? If so, WHERE ARE THE REST OF THEM? Is that all of them? 5 member team of Regular/Regular/Thug/Mistborn/Coinshot ? That... kinda looks odd lmao. Moving on... Amber Vulture looks at the vote manipulation scenarios and mentions - Quote D1: Vote Count Mauve Crocodile (4): <4> Emerald Falcon, Fuchsia Ostrich, Onyx Flamingo, Saffron Iguana Saffron Iguana (3): <4> Magenta Albatross, Mauve Crocodile, Pearl Chameleon, Turquoise Gorilla Turquoise Gorilla (3): <4> Amethyst Scorpion, Coral Swan, Scarlet Octopus, Violet Axolotl Charcoal Hyena (2): <2> Chartreuse Penguin, Salmon Meerkat Amethyst Scorpion (1): <1> Charcoal Hyena Coral Swan (1): <1> Oxblood Beagle Violet Axolotl (1): <1> Mint Heron We know one vote on Saffron Iguana ought to disappear, by virtue of their being soothed, leaving one unknown vote removal. I think we can all agree that it is a safe assumption that this vote removal on Turquoise Gorilla is eliminator in nature. Options: 1) A vote on Turquoise Gorilla was soothed 2) A vote on Turquoise Gorilla was rioted to no vote, with the rioter smoked 3) A voter on Turquoise Gorilla rioted the same vote that was soothed (presumably intending to move a vote from Saffron Iguana to Mauve Crocodile). 4) A vote on Turquoise Gorilla was rioted to no vote, and the rioter was either soothed themselves, or didn't vote. We know that what happened was case 3 - except, Axl claims to have moved a vote from Iguana to Gorilla. But what if he didn't? What if he actually did move a vote from Iguana to Crocodile in order to protect Gorilla? I'm not that confident of this theory only because Axl seems good on the surface while looking at D1 and D2, but it is a matter to think about. Axl currently in my pile of 'vote but only at lylo' at the moment. Thought I could do more, but kinda tired now. Possibly final words, there should be 11 players alive after tonight - Never vote no matter what, there's no chance they are evil - Penguin, Scorpion, Albatross, Flamingo, Zebra Vote under extreme circumstances, only with utmost caution and a ledger full of proof - Dragonfly, Axolotl No clue whatsoever, please figure them out - Dingo, Elephant Sus, would vote them out next - Mouse, Rhino Another point for Mouse sus is that Dragonfly spoke about them talking about e!Coinshot - here's a similar statement from Hyena already thinking about multiple village protection - Quote ou've lost me a bit here. While I definitely agree the existence of an e!Coinshot increases the odds of a v!Coinshot, it also could be justified by a large number of Village Thugs and Lurchers. My real hang-up is "With only one kill, I'm assuming that Coinshot is a villager." Why? I can think of many reasons for a v!Coinshot to refrain from killing on N1, but only one for an e!Coinshot (to not tip their hand). Why do you think a v!Coinshot would target Albatross? If a v!Coinshot is willing to kill on N1, why do you think they ignored yesterday's counter wagons? You very well could be right, if only because an e!Coinshot is an insanely powerful asset (*MR10 Flashbacks Intensify*) which requires heavy balancing, but the fact that you discount it so easily implies you know something I don't. Also this reads list pattern which I mentioned earlier [in my D2 re-read post I think] - Quote Firm Village Reads Salmon Meerkat: Insane amount of effort, lots of content consistency + mindmelds, amicable PMs. My player ID of them is probably a large factor in how I feel, since if I'm right, being village would explain how much passion they are putting into solving this particular puzzle. I don't foresee myself doubting this slot's intentions unless a bunch of green flips force me to reevaluate them. Mild Village Reads Chartreuse Penguin: Mint Heron: Neutral+ Reads Coral Swan: Has made 16 posts this turn (yay activity). Of them, I found their reaction to the Opal's death pretty standard (Though I'm never happy about a villager death, I understand feeling relieved that a slot no longer needs to be analyzed). They are a strong advocate of Village!Albatross and Elim!Gorilla, which tbh, fair. I feel similarly about Albatross and I understand why Gorilla's vote today would push Village!Coral back on that wagon considering prior suspicion. Our conversation regarding an E!Coinshot felt reasonable enough, even if I disagree with their "full stop no" mindset. I have no problems with their reads list like some others, and find their stated conclusions mostly sound / aligned with my own, except for a handful of "Do Not Kill" reads (Beagle, Scorpion, Axlotl, Elephant). I'm curious if @Coral Swan's opinion of Mint Heron has changed after Mint's most recent post, since it moved them up in my estimation and they had Mint as "will help kill" at the start of the day. Also, for the four people I named in the parenthesis above, can you explain their placements? Sorry if I missed your thoughts on them, but they're in my neutral zone and would like your insight, which in turn could help me figure you out better. Emerald Falcon: I don't really get their vote against Coral earlier this day (w/ tunneling comment) and quick retraction, in which they call Coral one of their top village reads before switching to Iguana. I like their reasoning for reading Chartreuse as Village (which I'm leaning towards as well), which is quickly followed up by another rebound on Coral (wants to suspect them), acknowledging that it could be paranoia-based. The bit about the Coinshot claiming to them and reading the Coinshot village is... interesting. I really don't know how I feel about that yet, so will mull over it for now. I also agree with their response to Mint Heron's post, which is again followed by thinking Coral is village again. Looking at the constant flip-flopping now, it feels pretty genuine that they're having trouble figuring Coral out and actively trying to fix that. Amber Vulture: Closer to true neutral than neutral+, though willing to put them here for now due to amicable PMs. They're clearly putting a lot of work into this game (NAI) which means I want to see where that work leads before I can figure out this slot better. Neutral- Reads Azure Mouse: As Salmon has pointed out, Azure's been caught lurking several times and not participated much (only posted once and it was NAI). @Azure Mouse, you're not sleeping with your phone browser open, are you? We'd love to hear your thoughts, since it appears that you're around. Turquoise Gorilla: I've said a lot about Turquoise already, but my general consensus is they're not an analysis-heavy player. I don't love any of the D1 votes levied against them, although today's seemingly forced vote on Albatross is a new factor. Their logic behind the vote is definitely faulty, and I do agree with Coral that not stating their apparent-prior suspicion of Albatross until then is a potential excuse for an opportunistic vote. At this point, I'd really love to see a reads list from Turquoise even if it's not incredibly detailed, because I don't know where they stand for most people and thus am having a difficult time seeing the game through their eyes. @Turquoise Gorilla, I don't want to pressure or rush you, but I will say that if you value your life, this could go a long way in helping us figure you out better. Mild Eliminator Reads Saffron Iguana: While I liked their light-hearted tone early D1 and believed their initial 'hecklings' to be a sign of effort to solve the game, their later posts + prolonging of their vote left something to be desired. I've said enough about them already, so peep my last post if you missed it for more thoughts. Firm Eliminator Reads Too early in the game and not enough info to say. Just 1 evil in the entire list is just too less. Also, Hyena's policy of lying as little as possible matches here as well as neutral+ being all village and leading to the assumption of neutral- being all evil. I'd be voting for Mouse next cycle.
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) @Fuchsia Ostrich, why am I there along with mouse? EDIT: Spoiler Hyena Scorpion Iguana Zebra Dead Beagle Swan Octopus Falcon Hyena …No vote Heron, Lynched Chameleon Iguana Axolotl Falcon Hyena Albatross, Lynched Gorilla Iguana Scorpion Dead This honestly doesn’t give as much info as I was hoping. There could have been distancing from living players going on, but I need to go through their posts to find out if it was. Time to go do post analysis. Edited January 24, 2022 by Plum Rhinoceros
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 @Plum Rhinoceros, basically what I mentioned in my post before the last. Close to radio silence from your predecessor and then comes weird vote following an equally weird ISO. Any insight you could give into this, possibly from PMs?
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said: @Plum Rhinoceros, basically what I mentioned in my post before the last. Close to radio silence from your predecessor and then comes weird vote following an equally weird ISO. Any insight you could give into this, possibly from PMs? I have no idea why by past self voted that way, and the only pm that happened recently with them was someone asking them to be active.
Quartz Zebra Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 mmk hi elim team hellllooo so you're probably deciding whether or not to try and kill me tonight well, lemme tell you a few things 1. I didn't self-lurch last cycle as i figured you would just hit Meerkat, which you did 2. I will be flipping a coin this cycle to decide whether to lurch myself or [insert top village read here in just a few min when im done pm-ing and thinking] so yeah ya like those odds?
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Well, apparently doing an analysis of one player for almost 50 pages takes a while Starting at the top of the list, so Scorpion is first. SpoilerDay 1: RP and says there are no elim coin shots and the elim team will be weaker because past TF games have been village losses. NAI really, could be elim trying to make elim team seem weaker, or could be a villager just speculating. Talk about players without actually giving any reads. slightest elim lean for saying things without committing. Thinks that hyena and cham aren’t e/e (they are). Says that cham and swan could be e/e (they aren’t), gorilla and cham could be e/e (they are), and that swan and gorilla aren’t e/e (they aren’t). Defending cham, hmm. This post is making me lean slight elim. Doesn’t like saffron votes, changes vote from cham to gorilla, when literally the only other player that voted on gorilla before was axol, so wouldn’t be much reason to bus teammate. slight village Scorp ended with a vote on gorilla, and was voted by hyena. Night 1: Says they were wary of albatross and gorilla for showing up last minute, but chose gorilla. First to hear about albatross, and also points out that dingo was there but didn’t vote. Getting village vibes from this. Asks iguana if they think that croc, gorilla, and themselves were village or if scorp was bussing gorilla. Hmm. This seems odd to bring up. Idk how I feel about this post. Thinks that ties don’t help. Talk about vote that i’m getting no feeling whatsoever about. Mentions that elims probably don’t have too much vote manip, and was probably just a mistborn that rolled brass/zing. Hmm. Weird vibes from this post. Says that the only way that the d1 vote was a single rioter would be if they were voting for gorilla (hmm) or iguana and that they would be an elim trying to hide that there are rioters. Slight elim from this, just feels weird. Day 2: Thinks it’s not likely that gorilla and iguana are e/e (they’re not). Mentions that falcon could still be elim. Question’s why axol think that iguana is elim. Votes gorilla again because they survived and haven’t had any votes on them. Thinks that iguana is most likely village. Getting village vibes from past three votes because they’re sticking onto gorilla. Continues to defend iguana over gorilla. Scorp ended with a vote on gorilla, and was voted by gorilla. Night 2: Voted on gorilla over iguana because votes shifted away from gorilla. Day 3: Votes on meerkat for defending cham and iguana. This is giving me slight elim feel because could be elim!scorp finding a good opportunity to get away from gorilla voting without seeming unusual. Doesn't think the seekers identity should be revealed. Switches vote to falcon simply because they think the seeker needed to be revealed. This is giving me elim feels. Takes vote off of falcon. Claims they want to go back to gorilla vote, but then votes for Flamingo, and only reasoning is because croc, iguana, and gorilla might be v/v/v. This is giving me really bad vibes. You think gorilla would be a good vote candidate, then change vote and reasoning is that it’s a good vote if gorilla is village?! Hmmm. Says that they only voted flamingo for reaction, and that gorilla/falcon are most likely not e/e (they’re not). Votes for gorilla again, and says suspicious of cham if gorilla flips elim. Still not feeling good from previous post, so idk. Says that cham would be evil because they are protecting gorilla and gorilla put cham as a village read early on. Votes on gorilla, no vote on scorp. Night 3: Ideas about matchups, no feeling about it, you can read it here: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/102755-anniversary-game-8-an11-back-to-beginnings/?page=27#comment-1293473 Questions that someone voting for gorilla rioted rhino’s vote. Asks if cham thinks hyena is an elim rioter. Goes over possibilities of hyena and falcon teams. Thinks that it’s likely that hyena is mistborn. Day 4: Votes on hyena because hyena had claimed soother but then survived an attack. Makes sense ig More talk about possible vote manipulators. No feeling Mentions we need to look at hyena’s posts before he was found out evil. No feeling. Votes on hyena, no vote on scorp Night 4: Says it would be more likely for him to be elim if falcon is (which he isn’t). Slightest village lean. Apparently was asking falcon why he was looking for the seeker in pms, and if he had found anything. NAI, unless elims have a seeker in which case idk, maybe slight elim. Challenges the idea that elims have vote manip. NAI others’ reasoning Thinks that falcon is evil. hmm…? Talk about falcon coinshot knowledge claims. Misread, nai. Day 5: Votes cham presumably because falcon is village. Explains that cham tried to move votes from falcon to gorilla, and now thinks that cham/hyena are possible e/e because forgot reasoning for not thinking so earlier. Not sure what to think about that one, but slight village lean for some reason. Votes on cham, no vote on scorp Night 5: Notes that cham defended flamingo the most of living players and claimed suspicion of albatross but didn’t vote them when there was a chance of them being exed. Day 6: Thinks that meerkat was saved by lurcher, and that rhino is thug (i am). Hops on beagle train, and wants to have rhino show up. Feels like possible elim jumping on the train last minute. Votes on beagle, no vote on scorp Night 6: Asks meerkat if beagle knew stuff that isn’t common knowledge. Says that might as well be revealed bc elims know it. This could def be a village asking for open info, but idk why I’m getting elim feels from this. Doesn’t think it’s likely that axol is mistborn. Thinks new mouse looks village. Thinks that getting rid of alb/rhino/zebra is too much, not sure exactly what theyre saying tho. Stopped thinking about beagle when meerkat said they trusted beagle… why tho? Doesn’t make sense why you would stop thinking about a player because someone, even someone you trust, says they trust them. Elim lean. Reads zebra as village, doesn’t think that rhino was elim attacked by elims. Trusts penguin because they were scanned by swan according to meerkat (who are two villagers, so I trust it). Day 7: Votes on heron. Thinks that it's likely that it's likely an elim tineye because it would be odd for a village tineye to go silent. Doesn't think it's likely mistborn got tin both times. Votes heron, no vote on scorp. Night 7: Thinks 7 elims is unlikely because coinshot elim could have been more powerful if they had killed every night. Says that being the last elim isn’t helpful. Okay thoughts. I'm not very sure, they seem to be floating right in the middle of village and elim read. They could be a an elim that has bussed a bunch of their teamates (in which case, they might continue to do so in an attempt to get a bit more village cred so they can last until the end). Or they could be a pretty good village player. I think I'm leaning mildly elim for scorp, added slightly on by a PM thing that I'll probably reveal after the night ends. Onto mouse. EDIT: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I forgot to check day 7 thread because it's not combined lol. Everyone voted on Heron and that's basically it so doesn't really affect votes. I'll edit in scorpions comments from then. EDIT 2: I see you @Sapphire Elephant, what do you have to say? And Dingo I see you lurking as well. Any thoughts? Edited January 24, 2022 by Plum Rhinoceros
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) People, give your thoughts so I don't double post. Mouse: Spoiler Day 1: Nothing No Vote, not voted on Night 1: RP. Day 2: Claims they don’t have any opinions yet. Thinks people are overreading stuff with albatross. Doesn’t understand why people are voting iguana. Votes on iguana… umm wat? Elim feel. Mouse voted iguana, no vote on mouse Night 2: Nothing Day 3: Nothing No vote, not voted on Night 3: Nothing, replaced. Day 4: Says they need to catch up on everything, makes sense Doesn’t have time to read through everything. Going to do more in pms. A bunch of clarifying questions. Thinks coinshot isn’t likely with mistborn and the fact they weren’t using kills. Village lean cause all those questions asked. I missed Night 4 somehow, so the second post might have been Day 5: Pressure votes cham to make sure they continue posting after eating. Votes cham, no vote on them Night 5: Nothing Day 6: Post shardkilled 3 times. Cham got former mouse to vote on iguana via pms. Has more things to post, but doesn’t bc annoyed at post getting shardkilled. No vote by or on them Night 6: Nothing Day 7: Nothing. Again…sigh No vote on or by mouse. Night 7: Still nothing. It’s really hard to get a read on such an inactive player(s). Literally the start mouse could have been elim, but more likely was a new player that got influenced by cham. And the latter mouse has said and done nothing that helps get a read. I literally have nothing. Looks like Penguin is next. This ones going to take a while lol. Actually, ya'know what. I'm going to skip penguin for now because I have a pretty good village read from them so far + the scan and pm stuff. EDIT: @Quartz Zebra, could you not edit in your thoughts and instead post them so they aren't missed? Edited January 24, 2022 by Plum Rhinoceros
Amethyst Scorpion Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 50 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: Thinks that hyena and cham aren’t e/e (they are). Says that cham and swan could be e/e (they aren’t), gorilla and cham could be e/e (they are), and that swan and gorilla aren’t e/e (they aren’t). Defending cham, hmm. This post is making me lean slight elim. Doesn’t like saffron votes, changes vote from cham to gorilla, when literally the only other player that voted on gorilla before was axol, so wouldn’t be much reason to bus teammate. slight village. Night 1: Says they were wary of albatross and gorilla for showing up last minute, but chose gorilla. First to hear about albatross, and also points out that dingo was there but didn’t vote. Getting village vibes from this. Asks iguana if they think that croc, gorilla, and themselves were village or if scorp was bussing gorilla. Hmm. This seems odd to bring up. Idk how I feel about this post. Thinks that ties don’t help. Talk about vote that i’m getting no feeling whatsoever about. Mentions that elims probably don’t have too much vote manip, and was probably just a mistborn that rolled brass/zing. Hmm. Weird vibes from this post. Says that the only way that the d1 vote was a single rioter would be if they were voting for gorilla (hmm) or iguana and that they would be an elim trying to hide that there are rioters. Slight elim from this, just feels weird. Day 3: Votes on meerkat for defending cham and iguana. This is giving me slight elim feel because could be elim!scorp finding a good opportunity to get away from gorilla voting without seeming unusual. Switches vote to falcon simply because they think the seeker needed to be revealed. This is giving me elim feels. Night 4: Talk about falcon coinshot knowledge claims. Misread, nai. Night 6: Doesn’t think it’s likely that axol is mistborn. Thinks new mouse looks village. Thinks that getting rid of alb/rhino/zebra is too much, not sure exactly what theyre saying tho. Stopped thinking about beagle when meerkat said they trusted beagle… why tho? Doesn’t make sense why you would stop thinking about a player because someone, even someone you trust, says they trust them. Elim lean. So you ISOd my posts and then didn't actually read the rest of the thread. Fair enough for someone who missed a lot but hopefully you get a chance to read everything before you actually vote. I'd be an ambitious push for an elim looking for a mix so I'm not going to overturn the trust given for being attacked by an elim Coinshot. I PMd you in the hopes that you wouldn't die because I thought there were no pinch hitters left and didn't want to lose someone I was reading as village. How did you get me defending Cham from a post where I said that the lack of strong defense for Cham was not evidence they were village and then voted for them? I was the fourth vote for Gorilla? Axl, Swan, and Octopus were already voting Gorilla, and my vote made it 4/4/4 between Crocodile, Iguana, and Gorilla. Iguana was suspicious of me voting late and I wanted to know why they thought this. Elim vote manip being more powerful than village vote manip is just a fact. To the point where I said that an elim team with two dedicated vote manips is way too strong unless they have a small team. I was responding to Chameleon who said something that was not true. The only way a single Rioter could mimic the effect of two Soothers is if they rioted a vote to a no vote, cancelling their own vote in the process. I voted for Meerkat because there was a Tineye message saying Meerkat was spiked and then he admitted it in thread. I didn't like Falcon fishing for the Seeker's identity. It struck me as an elim wanting to hunt down and kill the Seeker before they could find any more elims. If I was evil, I would have known whether the Coinshot had claimed to Falcon. I was questioning why Ostrich put a 0% chance on you, Albatross, or Zebra being evil. We had this discussion extensively. I see no reason for Beagle to be village, but assume Meerkat has a good reason to do so for secret PM reasons he can't tell me about and so focus on people like Chameleon. I did the same thing for Penguin who Meerkat also told me was village, don't worry about it, and turns out to have been scanned as a villager.
Quartz Zebra Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 51 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: EDIT: @Quartz Zebra, could you not edit in your thoughts and instead post them so they aren't missed? 1. ironic that this was said in an edit 2. bold of you to assume i have thoughts
Melon Dingo Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 Scimon Tlag was listening, a bit. But he'd also found something to do - try and mix some of his paints. Well, the paints were mostly food dyes, but upper-class nobles used those as paints on some foods sometimes. Regardless, he was too busy to talk right now. At some point, someone handed him a note. Signed. Well, Scimon Tlag didn't want to trade notes right now. If someone had something to say, he'd be here for them to say it.
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Amethyst Scorpion said: So you ISOd my posts and then didn't actually read the rest of the thread. Fair enough for someone who missed a lot but hopefully you get a chance to read everything before you actually vote. I'd be an ambitious push for an elim looking for a mix so I'm not going to overturn the trust given for being attacked by an elim Coinshot. I PMd you in the hopes that you wouldn't die because I thought there were no pinch hitters left and didn't want to lose someone I was reading as village. How did you get me defending Cham from a post where I said that the lack of strong defense for Cham was not evidence they were village and then voted for them? I was the fourth vote for Gorilla? Axl, Swan, and Octopus were already voting Gorilla, and my vote made it 4/4/4 between Crocodile, Iguana, and Gorilla. Iguana was suspicious of me voting late and I wanted to know why they thought this. Elim vote manip being more powerful than village vote manip is just a fact. To the point where I said that an elim team with two dedicated vote manips is way too strong unless they have a small team. I was responding to Chameleon who said something that was not true. The only way a single Rioter could mimic the effect of two Soothers is if they rioted a vote to a no vote, cancelling their own vote in the process. I voted for Meerkat because there was a Tineye message saying Meerkat was spiked and then he admitted it in thread. I didn't like Falcon fishing for the Seeker's identity. It struck me as an elim wanting to hunt down and kill the Seeker before they could find any more elims. If I was evil, I would have known whether the Coinshot had claimed to Falcon. I was questioning why Ostrich put a 0% chance on you, Albatross, or Zebra being evil. We had this discussion extensively. I see no reason for Beagle to be village, but assume Meerkat has a good reason to do so for secret PM reasons he can't tell me about and so focus on people like Chameleon. I did the same thing for Penguin who Meerkat also told me was village, don't worry about it, and turns out to have been scanned as a villager. Yeah, I'm planning on reading through the entire thread player by player, so I know my views are subect to change based on new info I get. Umm... I literally have no idea how I got that xD, didn't notice the cham vote, but still don't see it this read. Not sure what your refuting right here. Makes sense that you would do so, was just commenting on the way that you did it. Also is a valid point, that wasn't the part that gave me weird vibes if I'm remembring correctly. I think the reason that one seemed off to me is because you fell under the catagory of possible elim rioter that you were giving. Okay on meerkat vote, didn't get that cause didn't read thread. Yeah makes sense I guess. So did they? xD I don't think that alb or I should have a 0% chance of being elim simply because we survived an elim attack. I'm inclined to thinking zebra is good as the lurcher, but def would only put penguin under the hood of 99.99% chance being village. 1 hour ago, Quartz Zebra said: 1. ironic that this was said in an edit 2. bold of you to assume i have thoughts I was tempted to post this and then edit in the response lol. You said you were going to insert your best village read so, yes. I assumed
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 Day Eight: Jaists Are Our Specialty The man, still half-drunk, walked towards the Spiked’s hidden position, flanked by a pair of wary town guards. The servants of Ruin glanced at each other, a third - Var, who was imprisoned and powerless now - muttering behind them in his cell. “This time, we will do it together,” the first said, drawing the hood over his face. “I was about to say that,” the other remarked, hand going to his side. He drew a long spike from his sleeve. The drunkard paid no mind, turning a backflip and giggling relentlessly. “Ha ha…prazche…prayze the Ja,” he continued muttering. The guards, however, seeing the spike, halted. There was a brief pause, and Var, still in the cell behind him, hissed at his compatriots, “Get help! You’re no match for him, he’s a Jaist.” The hooded Spiked gave a wide smile. “Comrade Var, Jaists are our specialty.” He turned to the other. “Tell the guard to get that man to an infirmary, he’s delusional.” Zebra finally reached the end of the alleyway, and the guards recovered their nerve, advancing as well and casting doubtful glances back towards Var. Zebra spoke. “Hehehe…goive me those Shpikesh yer’ve gotted…don wanna mek a mess of things in frunt of Dyrink's inn.” The Spiked ignored him, the hooded one speaking plainly. “You won’t get away this time, Lurcher.” He drew and pushed forward, while the drunkard continued to giggle, knocking away the attempted stab with his cane. The guards, however, seemed confused, going straight for Var in the cell, who was still muttering. Zebra looked at the one-on-two he faced and still smiled. “I’ve been looking forward to this.” The second Spiked pulled back his sleeve, revealing new steel spikes in his arm. “My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Jaist.” “Good,” he chuckled, voice fully clear of alcohol. He drew himself up to full height. “Twice the metal, double the Lurching.” He pulled out a shield, covering his face and torso, and Pulled on the guards’ coin pouches, who were now standing behind the Spiked and talking to Var, who still was whispering quietly behind the bars. The coins flew out, lacerating the Spiked, who ducked and fled down the alleyways with curses on their lips. Quartz Zebra was attacked, but survived! Day 8 has begun! It will end in just over 47 hours at 8:00 PM EST on Wednesday 26 January. PMs are open. Good luck! Praise the Ja! Praise Warmmha! Spoiler Player List . Amber Vulture Vanilla Villager 2. Amethyst Scorpion - Sidor, newly resigned Hazekiller (Guardsman) 3. Azure Mouse 4. Charcoal Hyena Spiked Mistborn 5. Chartreuse Penguin - Aethex (Jester) 6. Coral Swan - Su (Jaist) Village Mistborn 7. Emerald Falcon Village Lurcher 8. Fuchsia Ostrich - Freddie (Glutton) 9. Ivory Dragonfly (Unlucky) (Replaced) 10. Magenta Albatross (Past Lives) 11. Mauve Crocodile (Gambler) Vanilla Villager 12. Melon Dingo - Scimon Tlag (Merchant) 13. Mint Heron - Tivend Elons (Casanova) Village Smoker 14. Onyx Flamingo (Gossip/Casanova) 15. Opal Lion Vanilla Villager 16. Oxblood Beagle Spiked Coinshot 17. Pearl Chameleon - Var (Two-Faced) Spiked 18. Plum Rhinoceros (Prophet-ish) 19. Quartz Zebra (Drunk/Jaist) 20. Saffron Iguana (Helpful Heckler) Village Soother 21. Salmon Meerkat - Kellehrt, local farmer and possible madman Village Tineye 22. Sapphire Elephant 23. Scarlet Octopus (Neat, Extremist Priest) Village Tineye 24. Sunburst Toucan Village Thug 25. Turquoise Gorilla (Game Show Host) Spiked 26. Violet Axolotl - Dyring (Neat Innkeeper) 3
Ivory Dragonfly Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 @Fifth Scholarr is that a tineye message or just your own meme
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, Ivory Dragonfly said: @Fifth Scholarr is that a tineye message or just your own meme It is a meme from the spec doc when they realised you were at 13/26 players, so...neither? But there are no Tineye messages
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 well that at least tells us we have an active elim. Yay! Nobody died!
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 Azure Mouse lasted posted during D6 but they're clearly active and look at the proceedings from their 'last visited' status. If you post once in 4 turns [assuming they post this turn], it's purely filter dodging tactics.
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 Azure Mouse has been on the shard recently enough to have submitted a NK, but hasn't posted in the thread. @Azure Mouse poke poke, I'd like to hear something from you. Open to discussion regarding elephant, who I have gut bad feelings about since they don't have enough posts to even make a solid read.
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) @Azure Mouse, you were on recently, but haven't talked. I would poke, but don't remember how on mobile. EDIT: Double ninja xD Edit 2: clarification, don't remember how to make text red. Edited January 25, 2022 by Plum Rhinoceros
Azure Mouse Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Onyx Flamingo said: Azure Mouse has been on the shard recently enough to have submitted a NK, but hasn't posted in the thread. @Azure Mouse poke poke, I'd like to hear something from you. Well, I was going to post some thoughts on things that had happened during the night but part way through the thread closed and I lost everything that I had been working on. Essentially what I had typed up was that I was lost and confused by this game, didn't have enough time to read through what had already happened, and say that I trusted Rhino and Penguin. 12 minutes ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said: Azure Mouse lasted posted during D6 but they're clearly active and look at the proceedings from their 'last visited' status. If you post once in 4 turns [assuming they post this turn], it's purely filter dodging tactics. That's 100% fair. I honestly haven't even checked the filter rules, but I am going to try to be more active. The fact that the shard crashes on my phone makes being consistently active a lot harder between school and work, but I think I've gotten my schedule figured out enough to have at least 30 minutes of time to spend on this a day. Hopefully more, but who knows. 8 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: @Azure Mouse, you were on recently, but haven't talked. I would poke, but don't remember how on mobile. EDIT: Double ninja xD Edit 2: clarification, don't remember how to make text red. Generally I just copy what someone else has said, write whatever I want on the end of it because it will Auto-become red, and then delete what they said. Current thoughts: I've honestly just been overwhelmed, and incredibly annoyed by my posts getting deleted after I've typed them but before I can post them. It's infuriating. But my current village reads are Rhino and Penguin, and I have a bad read on Ostrich, but I'm pretty certain that is simply because they started the votes on me. I can't think of anything else that they've said recently (I can't think of things that most people have said recently), but I'll take a quick look through their recent posts. Okay, I'll keep that in their for a look at my thought pattern, but most of their posting history seems to come off as a villager who is quite engaged in working towards the end game. I have a pretty solid read on them now. As I'm pretty much out of time I guess I'll be throwing a vote onto @Ivory Dragonfly Dragonfly for now. This is more a poke vote and a very soft gut read, but we might as well get something started (that doesn't end in my death).
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 I really don't know how I'll have the time to analyze everyone's posts before the day ends, so I think I'll go back and read the past cycle or so and see if I can dredge up any reads. @Magenta Albatross, @Sapphire Elephant would love to hear from you guys as well.
Violet Axolotl Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 For the sake of being slightly contrary, I'll vote on Elephant, who has also been minimally active.
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) I might be remembering incorrectly, but do we learn whether zebra was attacked by a coinshot or not? Or is that only when they die? I thought when I was attacked it said by coinshot. I'll go check ig. EDIT: @Fifth Scholar, @Elbereth I looked back at previous threads, and aren't we supposed to know whether Zebra was attacked by a coinshot or the spiked? Edited January 25, 2022 by Plum Rhinoceros
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: I might be remembering incorrectly, but do we learn whether zebra was attacked by a coinshot or not? Or is that only when they die? I thought when I was attacked it said by coinshot. I'll go check ig. the coinshot is dead
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