Melon Dingo Posted January 23, 2022 Posted January 23, 2022 Scimon Tlag's headache was getting better. That was good. But the saboteurs had killed Kellehrt. Tlag didn't find himself mourning as much as the deaths of Su or Riggs, as even Kellert himself seemed to expect to die last night. But he wished they could have spoken more. He'd been a good leader, even if one that Tlag hadn't followed. Maybe Kel was still around. But something about the broken smith's eyes told Tlag that he'd go quickly away from the Falls to find out what was on the other side. Anyway, the last bullettin to arrive was from Kel. And it accused the Heron, Tivend Elons, of being one of the saboteurs. An accusation that even Elons gave the barest of resistance to. It made some sense, and Kel's words were trusted. But Scimon Tlag still remained, no voice coming to his lips. Apathy. That's what Kellehrt had said. It seemed in his absence Aethex had decided to agree. Tlag still wasn't sure that what he felt within was apathy. He'd taken a class in painting, once. Had dreamed of becoming a travelling artist, scribing books, painting pictures, singing songs. That dream had fled long ago into the mists, but the barest bones of the lessons had stayed. Colors was the first lesson. Finding them, mixing them, using them, admiring them. But the lesson he thought of now was this: If you take all the colors on the wheel, and mix them together, you get black. Not a true black, but one that worked often better than blacks from basic charcoal. One that couldn't be distinguished from the "real" black. One that functioned just the same. Perhaps emotions were similar. Different emotions combined in different ways, but tangle too many together, force them into too small of outlets, compress them, fuse them... apathy was the result. Not a true apathy, but one that couldn't be distinguished. Not even by a Tineye. Tlag wasn't sure what it is he felt. He had his secrets, his motives, his dark places, but before coming to Tyrian Falls he could count on one hand the number of lives he was even indirectly responsible for ending, and now everyone in town was set out to hang a Heron. Too many desires. Too many feelings. Too many colors. And in the end... Heron would die just the same. Perhaps that was what true apathy always was. What true blackness of the soul. No, his voice would not join this call for Heron. Scorpion. The old hazekiller. The first voice to call for Heron's death. Trusted from such calls in the past. It wasn't a real lead. Rusts, it wasn't even a real suspicion. But he'd look. Scimon Tlag would look, because no one else seemed to, because it was at least somewhere else. Maybe he could finally have a chat with Quartz after this. Or Aethex. Who really knew. Maybe the Ja. He might know. Praise the Ja. 2
Elbereth she/her Posted January 24, 2022 Author Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Night 7 - Quiet Fifth is asleep(?) and my hands hurt from too much typing already, so y'all are getting a writeup when he gets on. Mint Heron was a Village Smoker! Plum Rhinoceros has been replaced by a pinchhitter! Please welcome the new @Plum Rhinoceros! Night 7 has begun and will end in 23.25 hours. Vote Count Mint Heron (10): Amethyst Scorpion, Chartreuse Penguin, Fuchsia Ostrich, Ivory Dragonfly, Magenta Albatross, Mint Heron, Onyx Flamingo, Quartz Zebra, Sapphire Elephant, Violet Axolotl Player List 1. Amber Vulture Vanilla Villager 2. Amethyst Scorpion - Sidor, newly resigned Hazekiller (Guardsman) 3. Azure Mouse (Replaced) 4. Charcoal Hyena Spiked Mistborn 5. Chartreuse Penguin - Aethex (Jester) 6. Coral Swan - Su (Jaist) Village Mistborn 7. Emerald Falcon Village Lurcher 8. Fuchsia Ostrich - Freddie (Glutton) 9. Ivory Dragonfly (Unlucky) (Replaced) 10. Magenta Albatross (Past Lives) 11. Mauve Crocodile (Gambler) Vanilla Villager 12. Melon Dingo - Scimon Tlag (Merchant) 13. Mint Heron - Tivend Elons (Casanova) Village Smoker 14. Onyx Flamingo (Gossip/Casanova) 15. Opal Lion Vanilla Villager 16. Oxblood Beagle Spiked Coinshot 17. Pearl Chameleon - Var (Two-Faced) Spiked 18. Plum Rhinoceros (Prophet-ish) (Replaced) 19. Quartz Zebra (Drunk/Jaist) 20. Saffron Iguana (Helpful Heckler) Village Soother 21. Salmon Meerkat - Kellehrt Village Tineye 22. Sapphire Elephant 23. Scarlet Octopus (Neat, Extremist Priest) Village Tineye 24. Sunburst Toucan Village Thug 25. Turquoise Gorilla (Game Show Host) Spiked 26. Violet Axolotl - Dyring (Neat Innkeeper) PMs are open. Also, you may be asked to set up authentication on your anonymous account. Please opt out of that. Thanks! Edited January 24, 2022 by Elbereth
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Hey everyone! I've got to go through and read through as much of recent stuff as I can to get a good idea of stuff. I'm guessing everyone's going to be suprised that heron is good though. Edited January 24, 2022 by Plum Rhinoceros
Quartz Zebra Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) well. new @Plum Rhinoceros how did you survive earlier? Edited January 24, 2022 by Quartz Zebra
Ivory Dragonfly Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 rip heron pms are still open so they does pretty much confirm theres a living tineye rather than a mistborn having tin so thats something welcome rhino may you be more active than your predecessor certainly an interesting time to have joined in i did a calculation and if we think there could be two more spiked then if there are no failed spike kills say due to the lurcher or by hitting a thug and if we dont lose any villagers to the filter then I think we have two more failed votes away from lylo for what its worth im gonna go look over people again and post once im on pc best sus ive got so far was mouse talking about elim coinshots when no one else was
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said: well. new @Plum Rhinoceros how did you survive earlier? I'm going to wait until I read stuff to see if it's a good idea to reveal that lol
Violet Axolotl Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Ivory Dragonfly said: i did a calculation and if we think there could be two more spiked then if there are no failed spike kills say due to the lurcher or by hitting a thug and if we dont lose any villagers to the filter then I think we have two more failed votes away from lylo for what its worth So right now it could be 10-2, down to 9-2 for next day. That means, if everything goes as poorly as possible, then LyLo would occur on Day 11 with 3 villagers versus 2 elims. I think it would probably be best for everyone to just roleclaim once we hit daytime. At this point, we just want all the information out in the open so we can solve things.
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 Okay this is what i was afraid of. Let's get some discussion going gamers
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 Do we have confirmed/basically confirmed villagers? If someone could let me know so I don't waste my time thinking they might be elim when they were confirmed earlier on? And reasons for why would be quite helpful as well.
Melon Dingo Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 Scimon Tlag nodded. So Tyrian Falls had lost the trail. Recoverable. But... unfortunate. Tlag clenched his jaw, trying to keep the other emotions from bubbling over. The Rhino suddenly came a bit more alive. Hard to put that into words, but it was always hard to put that into words. "Hello, Rhino. Nice to meet you. I think the Penguin's the only one universally trusted - Su checked them with bronze, and Kellehrt carried that message. Both of those are dead, but we know... we know they were both innocent and capable. Others... well, I'm not the one to ask," he trailed off. Su. It had been a while. Maybe it was time to make a new impression. He smiled. "Praise the Ja!"
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) @Violet Axolotl, did you give reasoning for why you voted for Heron the day before last (along with Beagle)? ~ I dunno the name/rp character that my previous identity was using, so ig I'll start anew. Jerrien wasn't sure that he recognized anyone in the town. But that's how it always worked. He had barely lasted two weeks before a new identity overcame him this time. He had quickly gotten the basics from some town members -- the remaining ones, at least. "Thank you for the information...sorry, I didn't catch your name? And who is Jaw?" @Melon Dingo Edited January 24, 2022 by Plum Rhinoceros I see you real people reading the thread :p
Violet Axolotl Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: @Violet Axolotl, did you give reasoning for why you voted for Heron the day before last (along with Beagle)? Yeah, I was assuming that more elims voted D1 than we have found already (I need to look back and see if this is still a possibility) and I found the Smoker role odd for a villager given that the elims so far haven't had abilities we can block with this. I had some other things, but didn't actually mention them.
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Violet Axolotl said: Yeah, I was assuming that more elims voted D1 than we have found already (I need to look back and see if this is still a possibility) and I found the Smoker role odd for a villager given that the elims so far haven't had abilities we can block with this. I had some other things, but didn't actually mention them. Do you mind mentioning it now? If you're not comfortable with thread I'm always available in PM's.
Melon Dingo Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 "Ah!" Tlag was glad for the chance to fall into his former, more boisterous self. "The name's Scimon Tlag. Travelling Merchant, among other things. Sales have been a bit light, considering... well, you know. Sabotage. Still have a few bluemelons left. And you?" Then he asked the question. Who is Jaw. "It's 'the Ja'. And he's..." Tlag paused. A moment. Another. "I don't really know." How could he explain? He had an idea of the man who Su had worshipped, his charisma, his teaching, but who was he? Who was he now? Did he guide the voices of those fallen though that not-death, guide them to their loved ones before their final goodbye to the Beyond? Did he guide Tlag, despite the grief, despite the pressure, despite the apathy? He didn't know. But suddenly he had a better idea. "The Ja was a man who lived a long time ago, and taught... that you don't have to be afraid to say what you believe. No matter what other people think, or say, or do to you. He was killed for it. Many of his followers were killed by the Inquisition. But they continued to believe, that the Ja would watch over them and guide their lives if they lived, their souls if they died. So they kept preaching, and they kept dying, and they kept up hope, because they knew that whatever happened to them they'd end up in a better place one day, and no one could take that from them. And after the Lord Ruler fell, the Inquisition all but vanished, and they spread... well, someone here was a more fervent believer in the Ja. Su. And he was a Mistborn, and I always figured that those tended to worship themselves, so he must have found something right. But he's gone now. And I took up the message, I guess," he finished. No bolt of lightning came to smite him for his heresy, so he continued. "What the Ja is, I don't know. But he gave Su strength. I'm hoping he gives me strength. To say what you believe. Even if that sometimes means saying nothing at all." He paused to walk away, then stopped. "Also they say 'Praise the Ja'. A lot. At least as their goodbye, sometimes with each sentence. I haven't quite got that far yet. Could I ask your name? Praise the Ja."
Violet Axolotl Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 Yeah, the big thing was that Heron was stuck in my mind the way Cham was, so I was hoping that intuition would be right again. I wasn’t a huge fan of Heron’s reaction to Kat’s fake Seeker scan. I’ll also note that I was communicating with Meerkat for that entire cycle via PM, and we were trying to see if we could bait people to oppose the Beagle train once that got going. About 15 hours into the cycle or so I sent in the order to riot Heron’s vote, so my vote on Heron at that point was just for show.
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 @Violet Axolotl Ig that works for now, tho there's sadly no way to confirm whether the PM actually happened or not. @everyone Do we have confirmed roles for players yet? It sounds like Axol is soft confirmed as rioter. I was attacked by a coinshot, but am a thug, so survived. I'm assuming I was attacked by an elim coinshot, because they would assume that I am a thug and then went for other players that still had abilities. ~ "My name is Jerrien... at least this time around. All that sounds quite... interesting." Might as well start this new identity by welcoming a new religion to It, he thought. "Praise the Jaw, and may he so bless me with this courage as well." Tlag started to walk away, and then asked what Jerrien's name was again. Odd, that.
Ivory Dragonfly Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: @everyone Do we have confirmed roles for players yet? It sounds like Axol is soft confirmed as rioter. I was attacked by a coinshot, but am a thug, so survived. I'm assuming I was attacked by an elim coinshot, because they would assume that I am a thug and then went for other players that still had abilities. claims in threads have been axolotl and i are rioters because no one else has claimed rioter i trust axol claim as their claimed actions have matched up with my own actions to result in whats been reported in write ups i think zebras pretty much confirmed lurcher meerkat got protection from them when needed and theyve since confirmed that detail in thread and ikykd the elims as far as which turns theyre gonna self protect think that all happened because beagle might have been in the loop of some behind the scenes pms but id need to go and reread meerkats posts from day six theres a possibility of albatross being a thug as they survived a night kill and theres been no claim from a mistborn or lurcher otherwise no one else has claimed or if they have the claim as been vanilla only other things were aware of is a mistborn claim that probably was the reason for a one of the anonymous tineye messages at the start of the game in addition to presumably the last tineye who is keeping pms open 1 hour ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: Do we have confirmed/basically confirmed villagers? If someone could let me know so I don't waste my time thinking they might be elim when they were confirmed earlier on? And reasons for why would be quite helpful as well. as was said penguin was scanned as a village thug by swan according to meerkat thats the only hard confirmed villager so far meerkats read list from last cycle isnt too bad a summary of the state of things i think although remember that confirmed good doesnt mean confirmed right will add that for zebra it seems quite reasonable for the village to have two lurchers when the elims have a coinshot in addition to their faction kill
Violet Axolotl Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 35 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: @everyone Do we have confirmed roles for players yet? It sounds like Axol is soft confirmed as rioter. Since Beagle’s role is confirmed, the only way I can not be a Rioter is if there is an unclaimed Soother floating around. Or I suppose I could be a Mistborn that drew either Zinc or Brass D1. My understanding is that Zebra is the Lurcher, and Penguin is a Thug. There is an unknown Mistborn that pulled Tin D1. And I’ve been ninja’d by Dragonfly. I would like to point out that if the elims have a Coinshot, a Mistborn, and no other abilities, then a village with 2 Mistborn, 2 Lurchers, and 3 Thugs seems a bit overpowered. Not to mention the vote manip we have. The easiest assumption I think is that there are 2-3 elims remaining and 2 of them have roles. Or 3 elims with one vanilla. It’s possible the elims have vote manip but decided not to use it D1, but that seems weird. If we do find an elim vote manip role, I’d want to look at Scorp again post-D1. A smoker is another possible elim role, that fed into the votes during the day I think. Elims don’t really need a Lurcher, but GMs could be trolling. Thug is different, but both Thug claims (this doesn’t account for Penguin) were attacked by Beagle, where probably the elims would use the NK to hit someone they want to clear. Elims could have a Seeker, there’s no way we could check on that. It seems odd though since they have hit Thugs twice with attacks and haven’t really hit any village power roles with the NK, barring Swan. The missing Tineye could also be elim, but that again seems odd, since elims often want to shut down PMs, and would have to make a hard choice. Of course, with no village Seeker, shutting down PMs isn’t as important. It’s pretty certain that there are no remaining Coinshots. So the roles I’d say are most likely to be elim would be: Smoker, Thug (but none of the ones we know of), Tineye, Rioter/Soother, Seeker, and Lurcher, in descending order.
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Votes: Red is elim, green is village, blue is living Spoiler Scorpion: Gorilla Gorilla Gorilla Hyena Chameleon Beagle Heron Mouse: No Vote Iguana No Vote No Vote Chameleon No Vote No Vote Penguin: Hyena Octopus Beagle Hyena Chameleon Beagle Heron Ostrich Crocodile Flamingo Gorilla Hyena Chameleon Beagle Heron Dragonfly No Vote No Vote No Vote Hyena Chameleon Beagle Heron Albatross Iguana No Vote Gorilla No Vote Chameleon No Vote Heron Dingo No Vote No Vote No Vote Hyena No Vote No Vote No Vote Flamingo Crocodile Iguana Gorilla Hyena Chameleon Beagle Heron Rhinoceros (myself-ish) No Vote No Vote Falcon No Vote No Vote No Vote No Vote Zebra No Vote No Vote Gorilla Hyena Chameleon Beagle Heron Elephant No Vote No Vote No Vote No Vote No Vote No Vote Heron Axolotl Gorilla Chameleon Chameleon Hyena Chameleon Heron Heron Vote thoughts: Spoiler Day 1 vote: Of those that voted for croc (who was lynched d1, and was village), flamingo and ostrich are the only two that are still alive. The other two were village. Of the four that voted gorilla (who was elim), two villagers have died, leaving only axol and scorp. Of the four that voted for Iguana (who was village) albatross is the only survivor. Cham and gorilla (who were both elim) voted for iguana as well, as did croc (who was village). Penguin is at least soft cleared at this point and meerkat is the only other player that voted for hyena so assuming nothing there. So what can we get from this. I’m guessing that at least one of [flamingo, ostrich, axol, scorp, and albatross] is probably an elim. Day 2 vote: Lots of no votes from living players. Scorp voted for gorilla (elim) again, mouse and flamingo voted for iguana, penguin for octopus (both village), and ostrich for flamingo (living). Not much to say here, not really any thoughts to go with it. Day 3 vote: Big gorilla train here. Villagers who voted were swan, falcon, and meerkat. All the rest are still living. Seems quite likely that at least one elim would hop onto that train, so [scorp, ostrich, albatross, flamingo, zebra]. The crosses from d1 are [scorp, ostrich, albatross, and flamingo] Axol and scorp have voted for elims everytime, gotta keep an eye on that. Day 4 vote: Literally everyone votes for hyena (who was elim), which doesn’t help me with reads cause everyone just jumped on the train. Axol and scorp have voted for elims again, but then again, so did everyone else this cycle. Day 5 vote: Cham (elim) was lynched this turn, and voted for albatross, could have been for distancing. For those on the cham train, literally all are alive, which doesn’t help lol. That means at least one of [Scorp, Mouse, Penguin, Ostrich, Albatross, Flamingo, Zebra, and Axolotl] are bound to be elim. So the matches from previous would be at least [scorp, ostrich, albatross, flamingo, and zebra]. Day 6 vote: Of beagle’s voters, only meerkat is dead. Beagle and axol voted for heron, who was good. Day 7 vote: Fricken train’s mess up my reads lol. @dingo why haven’t you really been voting? Okay, from just looking at votes, I’m still thinking that at least one of Scorpion, Ostrich, Albatross, Flamingo, and Zebra are probably elim. Axol, zebra, dragonfly, and Scorp have voted all elims except for heron. After just looking at votes of living players, I think my vote is leaning towards being on scorpion. In the morning I’ll go over all the dead elims votes and see if that brings anything else to light. EDIT: Also, I'm getting slight bad gut feels from zebra, no idea why, just writing it down so it's there. Edited January 24, 2022 by Plum Rhinoceros
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ivory Dragonfly said: because no one else has claimed rioter i trust axol claim as their claimed actions have matched up with my own actions to result in whats been reported in write ups 14 minutes ago, Violet Axolotl said: Since Beagle’s role is confirmed, the only way I can not be a Rioter is if there is an unclaimed Soother floating around. Or I suppose I could be a Mistborn that drew either Zinc or Brass D1. What's to say axl isn't a Soother? His first claimed Riot, when looked at, is a Soother from Gorilla train. Second claim is basically a Soothe from Heron train, if we believe Heron turned their Smoking off like they said. So, we haven't witnessed a clear-cut Riot till now. Sorry Axl, I'm kinda seeing elims everywhere now. 1 hour ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: @Violet Axolotl Ig that works for now, tho there's sadly no way to confirm whether the PM actually happened or not. Can confirm Meerkat did mention this to me, but also that Axl wanted Heron flip in the cycle we killed Beagle but wanted Beagle flip more.
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said: What's to say axl isn't a Soother? His first claimed Riot, when looked at, is a Soother from Gorilla train. Second claim is basically a Soothe from Heron train, if we believe Heron turned their Smoking off like they said. So, we haven't witnessed a clear-cut Riot till now. Sorry Axl, I'm kinda seeing elims everywhere now. Oh this is a good point, I better go check this out. 2 minutes ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said: Can confirm Meerkat did mention this to me, but also that Axl wanted Heron flip in the cycle we killed Beagle but wanted Beagle flip more. Okay, there's that.
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Pardon the double post, i guess you all just need to post more so that it doesn't happen 24 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: Okay, from just looking at votes, I’m still thinking that at least one of Scorpion, Ostrich, Albatross, Flamingo, and Zebra are probably elim. Axol, zebra, dragonfly, and Scorp have voted all elims except for heron. After just looking at votes of living players, I think my vote is leaning towards being on scorpion. In the morning I’ll go over all the dead elims votes and see if that brings anything else to light. EDIT: Also, I'm getting slight bad gut feels from zebra, no idea why, just writing it down so it's there. Okay, so the first on the list are people that have been on the main trains, while the latter would be either villagers who are really lucky or elims who are just voting for all their teamates. Zebra and scorp are on both of those lists, so possibly something there. Axol... I don't know what to think about axol, especially with what ostrich is saying now... Hmm... more to think about. There's always another secret. Edited January 24, 2022 by Plum Rhinoceros
Violet Axolotl Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 31 minutes ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said: What's to say axl isn't a Soother? Yeah, I could be a Soother I suppose. I’m not sure why elim!me would claim Rioter when I’m actually a Soother though, since Rioters are stronger in most cases. I’m going to ignore Scorp’s D1 vote and see what the rest of his interactions come up as, whenever I have time for it.
Amethyst Scorpion Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Violet Axolotl said: And I’ve been ninja’d by Dragonfly. I would like to point out that if the elims have a Coinshot, a Mistborn, and no other abilities, then a village with 2 Mistborn, 2 Lurchers, and 3 Thugs seems a bit overpowered. Not to mention the vote manip we have. The easiest assumption I think is that there are 2-3 elims remaining and 2 of them have roles. Or 3 elims with one vanilla. The missing Tineye could also be elim, but that again seems odd, since elims often want to shut down PMs, and would have to make a hard choice. Of course, with no village Seeker, shutting down PMs isn’t as important. The Coinshot could have been a lot worse if they'd ever actually killed anyone. If there were seven elims and the elims got double kills every night for five nights we'd reach parity tonight, which seems excessive given 4/7 successful exes. It's relatively common for the elims to have tineyes. If the Tineye is village, they don't appear to have claimed yet. 55 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: Okay, from just looking at votes, I’m still thinking that at least one of Scorpion, Ostrich, Albatross, Flamingo, and Zebra are probably elim. Axol, zebra, dragonfly, and Scorp have voted all elims except for heron. After just looking at votes of living players, I think my vote is leaning towards being on scorpion. In the morning I’ll go over all the dead elims votes and see if that brings anything else to light. You don't win prizes for being the last elim left alive. Letting too many of your teammates die just lets the confirmed and soft cleared villagers steamroll you. 56 minutes ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said: What's to say axl isn't a Soother? His first claimed Riot, when looked at, is a Soother from Gorilla train. Second claim is basically a Soothe from Heron train, if we believe Heron turned their Smoking off like they said. So, we haven't witnessed a clear-cut Riot till now. Sorry Axl, I'm kinda seeing elims everywhere now. It's super risky for elim!Axl to pretend to riot a Smoked Heron if Heron could just say they didn't smoke themself. Heron didn't actually claim anything about this, but they could have and then e!Axl would have needed to accuse an elim smoker.
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 24, 2022 Posted January 24, 2022 Was looking back at D3 and found this post from Beagle which does mention e!Tineye hmmm Another quote here below in which they recommend killing/suspecting Thugs when they clearly know they are the elim Coinshot and there likely would be lots of village protection. Various members of elim team have suspected Albatross at different points of the game, and at this point I'm confident that they are village. Quote Might also be worth another look at Albatross and Flamingo, like Scorpion pointed out. Especially with a village thug flipping already. More than one isn't unheard of, but I wouldn't argue with a scan, maybe? Example Number N - vote from Gorilla, very strong, zero e/e vibes. I'm like *this* close to hard-clearing Albatross and I don't think I'd vote for them even if we get to lylo. Quote Just logged on for the first time this cycle, and I have… serious problems with this Meerkat train. It reeks of an elim trick. Why are you trusting a random tineye? This makes no sense. Albatross, why did you unquestioningly place a vote on Meerkat at the beginning of the cycle before any other evidence had presented itself? I see that you just rescinded your vote, but that seems rather strange to me. The most suspicious thing noticeable from low-activity accounts is this vote on Falcon from Rhino after ISO each of Falcon, Gorilla and Beagle. Note that the vote count at this point is - Falcon (3) - Meerkat, Scorpion, Chameleon Gorilla (2) - Swan, Flamingo Beagle (2) - Penguin, Falcon Another important vote around this juncture is the one on Chameleon by Axolotl. This situation is important because we are about to run away with the Gorilla vote here. Axl's vote here is the perfect time to splinter off the main vote trains and still look good later if his side vote flips in the future, which it did. Sorry I'm name-dropping Axl a bit this cycle, I'm paranoid they're playing the perfect distancing game. Important to note the vote count prior to this vote - Falcon (4) - Scorpion, Chameleon, Rhino, Beagle Gorilla (5) - Swan, Flamingo, Meerkat, Ostrich, Zebra Beagle (2) - Penguin, Falcon Also note they leave the option to shift to Falcon later open in their post - Hmmm, Axl does make this post here - Quote If anyone isn't comfortable with voting either Gorilla or Falcon, feel free to join me on Pearl. I got distracted and never ISO'd Falcon, so I'm not going to make an uninformed vote switch there, and I'm sticking to my gut on Gorilla. However, this post was 6 minutes before EoD and the score was 7-4 for Gorilla, so if he's a elim, any change of vote here wouldn't be enough to save Gorilla and would only bring him suspicion. Some other notable D4 posts include - and the interlaying replies from Chameleon reads very villagery from Scorpion - confidently moving them to 'don't vote even at lylo' pile. More to follow post-D3.
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