Vin(Diesel) Posted December 8, 2021 Posted December 8, 2021 Let's talk about some of Hoid's stats. First, in the Invested Arts. Hoid is a Mistborn, has a lot of Biochromatic breath (not sure how much after the end of Rhythm of War), and a Knight Radiant. Does he have Invested abilities from any other worlds? Does Hoid have access to Invested Arts from more worlds than anyone else in the Cosmere? What does it mean that Hoid has access to so many Invested arts? In a sense, it might make him the closest thing to Adonalsium in existence, since he has Investiture from so many Shards, whereas each Shard is wildly skewed by it's de-contectualization from the rest of Adonalsium. Not saying that makes Hoid the most powerful being in the Cosmere. That would be someone with more total Investiture. What could Hoid do using allomancy, surgebinding, and breaths at the same time. I know he's kind of limited because he can't hurt people, but there must be some impressive possibilities. Second, Hoid is the second oldest person in the Cosmere that we've met. If my understanding is correct, that includes the original vessels that we've met. Of course, he could just happen to be two years older than the oldest vessel we've met. But what if his immortality predates the shattering? He could have been ancient even when Adonalsium was still alive. 1
Frustration Posted December 8, 2021 Posted December 8, 2021 Hoid likely is a Feruchemist, but we can't confirm that.
Vin(Diesel) Posted December 8, 2021 Author Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Ookla the Frustrated said: Hoid likely is a Feruchemist, but we can't confirm that. Cool! What evidence do we have for that?
Frustration Posted December 8, 2021 Posted December 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Vin(Diesel) said: Cool! What evidence do we have for that? Some WoB's mostly, some say he has feruchemy, others on the same topic say he doesn't but uses something similar, and others still say he hasn't confirmed it. 1
spaidapig he/him Posted December 8, 2021 Posted December 8, 2021 Brandon doesn't want to confirm if Hoid has Feruchemy or not. But the way he answeres these questions feels to me, like Hoid does have it, or at least something similar. 1
cometaryorbit Posted December 8, 2021 Posted December 8, 2021 I think Hoid's "know where he needs to be" ability is the same cosmere principle as Feruchemical luck/Fortune, but not confirmed whether it is actual Feruchemy or another similar ability. 1
Vin(Diesel) Posted December 8, 2021 Author Posted December 8, 2021 Well, that would be one explanation for Hoid’s immortality, though I bet his predates his feruchemy. I want to see Hoid burn Rosharan godmetals and their alloys, and I want to see him use them as metalminds. 1
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted December 8, 2021 Posted December 8, 2021 Hoid did try to become an Elantrian want proof? read the postscript of Elantris. 1
stonewalker16 Posted December 10, 2021 Posted December 10, 2021 On 12/8/2021 at 0:49 PM, Vin(Diesel) said: Well, that would be one explanation for Hoid’s immortality, though I bet his predates his feruchemy. While I can't be certain, I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that his immortality had something to do with the Shattering of Adonalsium and the weapons they used to do it. Besides, his type of healing doesn't match up with Feruchemy because [Oathbringer Spoilers] Spoiler he mentions that he has to suppress his healing to keep his tooth knocked out in the epilogue. Feruchemists could simply choose whether or not to heal 1
Mage he/him Posted December 11, 2021 Posted December 11, 2021 On 12/8/2021 at 1:41 PM, Thaidakar the Cool Ookla said: Hoid did try to become an Elantrian want proof? read the postscript of Elantris. But he failed, so that is an invested art he doesn't have. Side question: could Hoid have tapped (or something equivalent) a bunch of fortune when near Elantris and gotten the Shaod to strike him? Perhaps that is evidence that the Shaod is not completely random...
Tglassy Posted December 12, 2021 Posted December 12, 2021 My question is how Hoid manages to leave Roshar when he's a Knight Radiant. Doesn't the Bands of Mourning take place after Stormlight? Can't Radiants not leave the Rosharan system because they're too invested? Seems fishy. 1
Rorzikel Posted December 12, 2021 Posted December 12, 2021 10 hours ago, Mage said: But he failed, so that is an invested art he doesn't have. Side question: could Hoid have tapped (or something equivalent) a bunch of fortune when near Elantris and gotten the Shaod to strike him? Perhaps that is evidence that the Shaod is not completely random... Fortune seems to be more precognition of possible futures than it does to be probability manipulation.
Frustration Posted December 12, 2021 Posted December 12, 2021 11 hours ago, Mage said: But he failed, so that is an invested art he doesn't have. Side question: could Hoid have tapped (or something equivalent) a bunch of fortune when near Elantris and gotten the Shaod to strike him? Perhaps that is evidence that the Shaod is not completely random... It would have had to be connection
Mage he/him Posted December 12, 2021 Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, MyrmidonOfAchilles said: Fortune seems to be more precognition of possible futures than it does to be probability manipulation. 24 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated said: It would have had to be connection That makes sense. I think fortune could be luck but in hoid’s case it’s more of a being in the right place at the right time. Also connection would be better for getting Shaoded. It’s not purely random but more your connection to Arelon/Elantris. Makes sense.
AquaRegia he/him Posted December 12, 2021 Posted December 12, 2021 14 hours ago, Tglassy said: My question is how Hoid manages to leave Roshar when he's a Knight Radiant. Doesn't the Bands of Mourning take place after Stormlight? Can't Radiants not leave the Rosharan system because they're too invested? Seems fishy. If I understand correctly, there is no reason a Radiant cannot leave Roshar... but as far as anyone knows (so far), spren cannot. Either Hoid is NOT Radiant while he's off Roshar, or he found a way to bring Design with him that we are not yet aware of.
Tglassy Posted December 12, 2021 Posted December 12, 2021 If I'm not mistaken, in RoW, Mraise told Shallan that she would never be able to leave the Rosharan System. 3
Lunu’anaki he/him Posted December 13, 2021 Posted December 13, 2021 On 12/12/2021 at 1:01 AM, MyrmidonOfAchilles said: Fortune seems to be more precognition of possible futures than it does to be probability manipulation. Then how do we explain Hoid's "Being in the right place at the right time, and not knowing why" ability?
Frustration Posted December 13, 2021 Posted December 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lunu’anaki said: Then how do we explain Hoid's "Being in the right place at the right time, and not knowing why" ability? It's not that he is there, it's that he knows he needs to be there. 1
Lunu’anaki he/him Posted December 13, 2021 Posted December 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated said: It's not that he is there, it's that he knows he needs to be there. Ahhh, so it's in the knowing. Got it. That makes sense.
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