Confused Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Can Nightblood consume a Shard's full Investiture? Can he kill Odium this way? (Is Nightblood a "he"?) I'm asking because I raised this question in my posted opus on what Odium's plan is and how he can be defeated. I speculated that this might be the means of his end. Thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I think he possibly could, but would that mean he becomes Odium instead? Either that or eventually the Shard regains sentience and you have another Odium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signspace13 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I think he possibly could, but would that mean he becomes Odium instead? Either that or eventually the Shard regains sentience and you have another Odium. And nightblood as odium would probably be worse, but hey maybe that's what the next set of the archive is about. oh dear God I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Destroy Evil + Odium Destroy evil with extreme prejudice? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Posted May 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) Thanks, Rshara, you make an excellent point! Let me see if I can work my way through it. The bits of Shard keep the Shard's intent even after the Shard's splintering. (If Nightblood consumed the Shard, I guess it wouldn't even be splintering, just a transfer.) And if Nightblood itself were then shattered (in a non-Cosmere sense), then the bits of the Shard would simply enter any sentient being around. (This is what I believe happened with Honor - his splinters entered the Stormfather, until the Stormfather somehow released them - why the Stormfather is a sliver of Honor.) And if there weren't any sentient beings around because, say, Nightblood was thrust into a star's gravity and burned up, then the bits of Shard would coalesce into its own sentient being, with "bizarre effects" if I recall WoB correctly. That only leaves two choices that I can see. One, widely scatter the bits of Shard so when those bits attach themselves, it will be to many different beings and the Shard's intent ends up diluted. Or recombine the Shards (which may be where Brandon is going.) Because the problem with Adonalsium's shattering is that it left each Shard unbalanced by the other fifteen intents. So Odium became pure hatred, untempered by Devotion or Preservation or any of the other shardic intents. And if there's no way to destroy any intent, the only thing left is to balance them, kind of like what Sazed did with his two conveniently complementary shards. Where's Khriss when you need him (her? it?) But if Nightblood did consume Odium and "became" Odium, would it acquire independent mobility or could you keep Nightblood in its sheath, like a genie in a bottle? Edited May 9, 2014 by Confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyPilgrim Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 I don't think that Nightblood could become Odium in the same way a human can. Humans are a separate unit of intelligence in and of themselves that can control a Shard. Yes, many humans have part of Shards related to their intelligence, but theirs does not come entirely from Shards, being more based on it. Nightblood, however, is a Splinter of Endowment stuck inside a sword, no more. He is a large price of a Shard that has gained intelligence and has its own Intent. I view Splinters, because of their often having their own Intent, as mini-Shards. Therefore, I don't think that Nightblood could really hold on to Odium in any way. Unlike a human, which can process information without the filtering if an Intent and even still are molded by a Shard's intent, Nightblood is a little piece of a Shard. Big Shard is greater than Little Shard. As I see it, Odium would consume Nightblood before vice versa would occur. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Or, since Investiture is never actually used up, the power that Nightblood burns through would immediately return to Odium, resulting in no actual change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asejet Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Can someone tell me how human personify shard ,cause in first place they are created by it. Like preservation created humans. Then how in first place he gain the sentient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyPilgrim Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Can someone tell me how human personify shard ,cause in first place they are created by it. Like preservation created humans. Then how in first place he gain the sentient I don't quite understand your question, but if you are asking how Preservation and Ruin can be held by humans if they made humans, the answer is that all Shards originally were held by humans from Yolen, the planet on which Adonalsium was Shattered. Yolen had humans before all this, and some of the Shards based their humans on Yolen humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asejet Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 I don't quite understand your question, but if you are asking how Preservation and Ruin can be held by humans if they made humans, the answer is that all Shards originally were held by humans from Yolen, the planet on which Adonalsium was Shattered. Yolen had humans before all this, and some of the Shards based their humans on Yolen humans.Thankyou. Thats exactly what i wanted.Can you tell me which novel stated this phenomenon and solid info on cosmere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyPilgrim Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) Thankyou. Thats exactly what i wanted. Can you tell me which novel stated this phenomenon and solid info on cosmere Alas, these novels are not yet written. The best I can do is direct you to Cosmere 101 and the Coppermind wiki (which seems to be having issues at the moment). These should help. Also, if you ever have a specific question, the Question and Answer thread is helpful. I would also be happy to answer questions through PM, if you wish. Edited May 10, 2014 by GreyPilgrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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