Riddlesinthedark Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 New to the board, only lurked a short time, but I think this is the place. Used the search function for Hoid and Hoid's Shard here and in the WOK forum, but didn't see a similar thought to bump. Hoid is a Sliver, right, having formerly held a Shard. Does he come out and tell Kaladin which Shard that was? WOK, hardcover, 801 "A compliment? Calling someone a thief?" "Of course. I myself am a thief." "You are? What do you steal?" "Pride," the man said, leaning forward... Contextually it might be part of his current role as King's Wit, lancing egos, which he mentions next. It would be stronger if Kaladin had asked "What did you steal?" and Hoid answered "Pride", but it seems a decent question to ask Sanderson. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelek Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Being a sliver could help explain his long life and easy access between realms/planets. Sorry to say we just don't know enough. Great idea though - upvote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofsoup Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I would like some more info, on why you think this, but I like the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironeyes Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 I would love to see a magic system based on Pride. Maybe they have to give out compliments or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiken Frost Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 I thought that at some point BS said that Hoid never held a Shard. Am I misremembering or someone else can remember that too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zas678 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 To the Database! He doesn't hold a Shard (Hoid wasn't counted back during the HoA Q&A prophecy of "you've seen four other shards"). So he could be a Splinter, he could be a Sliver. We don't know. But I don't think that Hoid's long life is cause by his potential Sliverness. Brandon hasn't made any mention of longevity being a side effect of being a Sliver (Someone who once held a large portion of a Shard). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 also if long life was a result of silverness, TLR wouldn't have had to pull his shenanigans with his atium compounding. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulir Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Love this theory, upvoted you for it, I think it is a great a wild idea, but very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethling Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Do we really know that Hoid has actually lived longer than anyone normally does? If he is able to skip planets, he might also be traveling through time as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSHtafARian Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Do we really know that Hoid has actually lived longer than anyone normally does? If he is able to skip planets, he might also be traveling through time as well. Well I believe there was something mentioned about him moving through time as well as space, but not actually time travelling, so I think there has been speculation that he experiences some kind of time dilation that makes time pass differently for the rest of the cosmere than it does for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zas678 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Reddit AMA ERIC LAKE () Can Hoid jump through time? If so, can Shards jump through time? BRANDON SANDERSON Hoid, so far, has only moved forward in time. He has not 'lived' all of those years, but has used some time dilation techniques. That said, he is far older (both in relative and real time) than a normal person can live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddlesinthedark Posted March 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) I think I made some useful mistakes, and I will refine it later. One is that I took for granted Hoid as the letter writer/seventeenth shard as Elantrians. I thought that so obvious, I will need to familiarize myself with those arguments. Do we really know that Hoid has actually lived longer than anyone normally does? If he is able to skip planets, he might also be traveling through time as well. Not directly, but a few things support it. P1, Hoid has been on Roshar long enough to be a full Worldsinger, and train/promote an apprentice to full status.* P2, No one mentions Wit as being excessively old, iirc. P2, Hoid however does refer to himself as being quite experienced/old in conversation with Kaladin. For instance "I always worry that I'll forget how to player her...It's silly, I know, considering how long I've practiced." pg 800 "Here. I've carried her for longer than you'd believe, were I to tell you the truth." pg 807 He might be referring just to linear time versus relative time, similar to the device used in the later Ender's Game books, where Ender outlives his siblings by a long time. Personally I think both are likely true, him being old linearly and relativistically. *In support of P1, Sanderson used in Elantris, a very Oriental* feeling style of promotion that dictated that one cannot raise others to the same rank. Wyrn to Gyorn, Gyorn to whatever, but not Gyorn to Gyorn (*I'm intuiting, rather than knowledgeable here. A similar device is used in The Ramen Girl, for instance, and it seems like I have seen it elsewhere. No such requirement exists, for instance, in Mormonism, though structurally it often happens.) Also is it WOG that Hoid was at the shattering of Adonalsium, or just speculation based on the letter/17th? Edited March 9, 2012 by Voldy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidbringer Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 I like this one. It sure would be interesting if it were true! I too want to know what magic system would be associated with pride... Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connerjade Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 It could be one that he later discarded. It happened when I was still a teen. Now, I’d been unconsciously influenced by writing before, but never had I read something and specifically had that (now familiar) experience of saying “Hey, this would make a great magic system.” Here, I imagined a land where everyone had a little mystical number that floated by their head, representing their influence in society. You could give influence to others as payment, or earn it through certain acts. You could spend it to hide things about your number, or to accomplish magical feats both large and small.I never ended up using that system. Perhaps I will someday, though now, it feels too influenced by things I’ve read. This feels functionally like pride (people tend to derive pride from status), though maybe I am just crazy in saying that. Of course, he wrote this quote after he wrote The Way of Kings, but does Hoid really count as using it? I am not all that familiar with Brandon's style of writing when talking about his fiction, so I really couldn't guess what counts and doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zas678 Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 Also is it WOG that Hoid was at the shattering of Adonalsium, or just speculation based on the letter/17th? It is WOG, or at least WOP (Word of Peter), which is essentially the same thing. It was in the old Time Waster's Guide Forum. I'll see if I can dig it up. EDIT- Never mind. It's second hand from an old user named Miyabi. TWG So I wasn't sure if this should go in the Adonalsium topic, the Hoid topic, or if it deserved a topic of its own. After thinking strongly about it I decided that it deserved its own topic, due to the fact that it would fit in either of them and it would cause a kind of fused discussion of the two topics.While talking with EUOL today I had asked about Hoid being someone from Partinel. He said he had many names, but avoided a yes or no answer. I then asked if Hoid was a shard, he said no and then said something about how no one has read the end of Partinel due to its not being written well and the plethora of spoilers it contains. . . . He then told me that Hoid was there when Adonalsium was shattered. Does this mean that is what happens at the end of Partinel? Was it Hoid's fault that Adonalsium was shattered? What is/was Adonalsium when it was whole? Is Hoid bound to the Shards and that is why he shows up on Shard worlds and seems to somehow support the power of them? (i.e. helping the Elantrians, which lead to fixing the Dor. Helping them overthrow ruin and bring the two Shards together?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Josh had told me that fact, and he was there personally, so that's good enough for me, if not explicitly recorded down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetness Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 It could be one that he later discarded. This feels functionally like pride (people tend to derive pride from status), though maybe I am just crazy in saying that. Of course, he wrote this quote after he wrote The Way of Kings, but does Hoid really count as using it? I am not all that familiar with Brandon's style of writing when talking about his fiction, so I really couldn't guess what counts and doesn't count. Sounds like the Breath system to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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