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Could the shimmer face Stormfather be a voidspren? From the Coppermind Ulim page: Also in RoW at the end of Chapter 77 Ulim speaks to Venli through her mind, confirming that they have that capability.

Note that this is on the balcony right outside his chambers. The fabrial could possibly extend that far. The last bit of dialog on the balcony with the Stormfather does make more sense if Thaidakar does the talking instead of the Stormfather. The only thing that does not quite fit is the shimmer face Stormfather knowing about the Herald dying. Maybe a Herald is controlling the face somehow? The most common theory has been Ishar, but I was more under the impression that Ishar does not want the Voidbringers to return while the shimmer face Stormfather seems to be in the bring back the Voidbringers camp. The Ghostbloods are in the bring the Voidbringers back camp since we clearly see Axindweth working towards that goal. Edit: Maybe Hoid wants to bring back the Voidbringers? He kind of needed them to come back to bond a spren. The "greatest fool" quote also really applies to Hoid.

I read the chapter again. Did anyone notice that the Stormfather only appears as a shimmering face when Gavilar is in his chambers? Gavilar starts out in Navani's study, but after the break after talking to her he moves to his own chambers. Curiously, while he is in his chambers he talks about one of the new heating fabrials that Rushur Kris delivered to him. Could this be what is manifesting and faking the Stormfather face and voice to Gavilar? it also talks about how the face looks like heat: The shimmering face also says things that are way out of line for the Stormfather: Also interesting is that this fabrial is focused on in the RoW prologue also: Could the flower be the Ghostblood's symbol? It also looks like Aesudan is in on it and whisks Navani away before she can get a close look at the box. The fabrial is also brought up in the OB prologue. Thoughts?

Does anyone think that maybe when Honor "died" and gave part of his power to the Stormfather that Honor really sort of mind-merged with the Stormfather instead, maybe accidentally? (Maybe like a Voldemort/Professor Quirrell situation or the famous LTT example from WoT). The Stormfather just wants to be a storm and not worry about performing his other duties while the Honor side of him is forcing him to do things like Bond and show Dalinar the visions. This back and forth between the two personalities is what is shown in this chapter. I went back and read the Dalinar visiting the Nightwatcher chapter in OB and noticed that when the Nightwatcher spoke it was in italics, but when Cultivation spoke it was all caps. Maybe this is the hint between who is talking between the Stormfather/Honor. Also reading that chapter again made me think of if maybe Honor/Stormfather visited the Nightwatch/Cultivation and got a boon and curse. Through this maybe Cultivation helped to "kill" Honor with Odium (Odium thinks that he died: "We killed you!"), but his merging with the Stormfather allows him to grow out of his obsession with honor and oaths.

I think I have a new point from the prologue that I didn't see mentioned here. When Gavilar tells the Stormfather to watch the door for him, the Stormfather rebukes him. But then later tells him about the visitor at the door anyway. ... It seems like the Stormfather that rebukes Gavilar is not the same as the one that watches the door for him. I also noticed some continuity errors when going back to read the Oathbringer prologue from Eshonai's POV that may be evidence that Brandon wants to add hints to the Stormfather acting weird: In the SA5 prologue Gavilar is with 6 people total: Amaram, Amaram's lueitenant, and 4 people new to the Son's of Honor (one later is revealed to be Taravangian and my personal theory is that one of the females is Dova aka Battar). In the OB prologue Gavilar is with 5 people total. Also in the SA5 prologue the Stormfather points Gavilar to Eshonai at the door, while in OB she is pointed out by one of Gavilar's female guests. I figure that if Brandon did not want to hone in on this moment to showcase the Stormfather acting unusual (like the Navani meeting in the SA 5 prologue) then he would have just glossed over it instead of writing the same scene from different perspectives.

I've always had this personal theory that Captain Tozbek was associated with or partially under the employ of the Ghostbloods. When we first meet Captain Tozbek he has a scar on his face, supposedly from fishing tackle. I think that this is a lie and either he got smacked into submission by the Ghostbloods or he is a Sleepless (more on this below), or both. Captain Tozbek says that he is indebted to House Davar and that he will charter his ship to Shallan for a vastly lower price. Since Shallan's father is associated with the Ghostbloods, it would not be a stretch to assume that those he associates with are under the employ of the Ghostbloods also. Plus is makes it easy to not make any money from chartering Shallan if the Ghostbloods are paying the tab. He probably also broke the latch on his own cabin and let Jasnah stay there so it was easier to ambush her. Tozbek as a Sleepless: After Shallan lands on shore she notices a bunch of cremlings, possibly the remnants of Tozbek. Also of note, Shallan notices fearspren coming out of the sand around her, but she specifically is mentioned to not feel afraid. These fearspren could actually be coming from the remnants of Tozbek. Plus it seems like every ship on Roshar has a Sleepless to keep them away from Aimia.

Liss is much more likely to be Vedel. Liss has a description of having long dark hair and being "plump". If you look at the Vedel endpage then she certainly fits that description.

That was semi-retracted by Brandon. https://wob.coppermind.net/entry/11521 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/367-skyward-release-party/#e11589 Also there is no visual source for that WoB. As it is supposedly from a signed book that was never posted. The Herald close to Taravagian is now nearly confirmed to be Battar under the alias Dova.

Aesudan is Pailiah. Evidence: Their appearances look very similar, especially when comparing their Coppermind pictures. Pailiah's attributes are Learned and Giving. Aesudan seems to portray the exact opposite attributes, which is in line with the similar moral corruption of the other Heralds. She was present at the feast the night of Galivar's death, like most of the other Herald's. Very little it known about her past or how she got her high standing. Jasnah backed out on having Liss assassinate her. It would be a clever twist of fate if Jasnah ended up asking a Herald to assassinate another Herald (the common theory is that Liss is Vedel). At the end of Oathbringer she hints that she knew of Gavilar's grand plans, or at least knows a lot more than Elhokar. She seems to know a lot more about the Unmade than just a normal person. WoR I-12 - Lahn : The Aesudan Chapter The top chapter icon is Pailiah Queen Aesudan's ardent featured in the chapter is named Pai, very similar to Pailiah. It is mentioned that Aesudan thinks that the Almighty isn't pleased with her. I doubt Honor was pleased with the Heralds. "She's the Almighty's chosen". Clever choice of words. Two chapters later Taravangian swears by Pailiah's mind. Thoughts? EDIT: As a second theory I have just been thinking what Aesudan has been up to as a Herald. One lingering question has been who has stolen Taln's Honorblade? Since Taln loses his blade between Kholinar and the Shattered Plains, Aesudan (as Pailiah) would be the first person with the motive, means and opportunity to take the Honorblade.

Ah yes that is a very interesting thought. I think Taravangian fits very well within the child metaphor of the deathrattles if he is having one of his emotional days. And he is certainly very associated with his homeland. Has it been confirmed that we still has the smart/emotional days after becoming Odium? I'll look more into this today. Plus we have seen strong foreshadowing with Dalinar imprisoning Taravangian instead of killing him when his betrayal was discovered.

It is now confirmed that there is a continuation of the plot thread on there being a loophole in the battle of champions contract. I think it is likely that the contract loophole is that the battle of champions ends in a TIE. As per the contract there are no stipulations for a tie, thus nullifying the contract: I semi-predicted this a couple of years ago when theorizing about a few of the death rattles. It also makes the Szeth retcon make sense in the context. TLDR: Kaladin or another champion refuses to kill Szeth, resulting in a tie and thus freeing Odium. Szeth and Kaladin may confront this Unmade when they are in Shinovar. A child is also mentioned in another deathrattle: The only three people that I think are strongly tied to their homeland are Dalinar, Szeth and the Stormfather. I think that this does not refer to the Stormfather so I will skip him (even though he does seem like a baby sometimes). Both Alethkar and Shinovar have mountains nearby, but Shinovar does have a lot more of them. Szeth is also more likely to be on top of the mountains since he can fly. Also his birthplace is the Valley of Truth, a place that sounds like it could be prone to a flood. This would lead me to believe that Szeth is the child in this deathrattle: And that they will choose to not kill him. Also an interesting bit of foreshadowing if this is true: I also think it is funny that the only thing that has been retconned in the books is the taking back that Kaladin killed Szeth in WOR and making it a psuedo-suicide instead. If my theory is correct then the pre-retcon story would not make sense because why would Kaladin be allowed to kill Szeth before in WOR but he cannot now? That question gets eliminated with the retcon.

I believe that Sazed/Harmony/Discord will be the main villain in Era 3. In the end Sazed will be defeated by either: a. the current vessel of Autonomy using her shard to kill herself and Sazed b. the current vessel of Autonomy being killed and the shard being picked up (most likely by Kelsier) and used to kill themself and Sazed c. the current vessel of Autonomy being killed and the shard is picked up by Sazed, either in an act of lust and discord, thus accidentally killing himself, or in an act of self sacrifice, knowing that the the shards of Ruin and Preservation can never sustainably be held by one vessel All three end with the shards' vessels dying and the powers dropped because, as foreshadowed by the Lost Metal, the combination of Ruin, Preservation and Autonomy results in a massive release of energy to keep that from happening.

Confirmed now?

The Rhythm of War is the combination of the tones of Odium and Honor.

This is a pretty good thought with Change kind of being a time moving forward type of Dawnshard. Increase in entropy sort of. Which one of these would be the one mentioned in the Poem of Ista?