1 minute ago, Aeoryi said:

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ha I told you you'd like it

 

Oh, was it you, then?

I lose track of people and who said what and I don't like it..

Addressing the point of saying stuff that sounds real smart:
Wisdom:
"Simply poetically worded products of human mind, easily found through the most basic of introspections, yet those who first write it nonetheless obtain honours.
So, is Wisdom not falsehood?"
E.g. you can word anything with nice fancy big words and it sounds really smart. Most of the stuff I say, if one is to be honest, is at least partially of this nature. I will say the words and wording I use are because I just spew whatever is in my head, and I frequently feel like some of the longer words better represent an abstraction. So, I will make the claim that I do so not for ego, but for... clarity? of some form.

Human condition just refers to, very literally, the condition of being human. Encompassing the key elements of human life, whether it be key events or emotions and contradiction. Fun.

"Though, I would/will/do just fall in the... perfectionism trap of not believing myself able to talk about something until I've read it all, understood it, and understand essentially everything in that field. Because, what if I say something that is incorrect or debunked or whatever, in that very field? How can I trust that my interpretation of some text is accurate? And, if no one (of few) agree(s) with you on something, it shouldn't necessarily disprove you? Maybe they just never thought of that. Or, you are simply wrong, they are right, you know no better and thus should not even be here- what are you doing here, with no expertise, stick to what you know, the basics, don't venture beyond." 

Your first sentence: Discussing will help understanding a lot. You won't fit the full scope of human perspective in your own thoughts. Speak to another individual about it. You'll never understand it fully. No one will. But, it's more fun to help one another along the path of futility.

Your second (and third, I think): Argue it nonetheless. It you agree with the points made against you, just change your mind. There is no correct interpretation. If there was a correct interpretation, then no one would be discussing it: because everyone agrees that this way of seeing it is the "right" way. Bo-ring. Half of the fun comes from debating different interpretations. 

Your fourth and fifth: Correct. And correct. Thus why, you argue it nonetheless, and make up your mind yourself depending on the points they make, and the points you make.

Your last sentence: If anyone says that, they've no right to be discussing any form of media. 'Tis a load of horse excrement. 

It's always a bit worrying, dipping your toes into another field. But the ones who aren't insecure gatekeepers will welcome you without judgement. 

Know that if anyone says anything similar to your last sentence to you, they have stuff they need to work out. Don't bother with them.

1 minute ago, Usseewa said:

Oh, was it you, then?

I lose track of people and who said what and I don't like it..

Probably. I used to listen to linkin park songs a lot. Like, a lot lot. 

kinda don't listen to music now.

I have linkin park on my playlist

From zero is pretty good

2 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

Probably. I used to listen to linkin park songs a lot. Like, a lot lot. 

kinda don't listen to music now.

https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/201793-trans-hangout-thread/page/4/#findComment-2028016

I get it

I hope/think

4 minutes ago, Denissimo said:

Addressing the point of saying stuff that sounds real smart:
Wisdom:
"Simply poetically worded products of human mind, easily found through the most basic of introspections, yet those who first write it nonetheless obtain honours.
So, is Wisdom not falsehood?"
E.g. you can word anything with nice fancy big words and it sounds really smart. Most of the stuff I say, if one is to be honest, is at least partially of this nature. I will say the words and wording I use are because I just spew whatever is in my head, and I frequently feel like some of the longer words better represent an abstraction. So, I will make the claim that I do so not for ego, but for... clarity? of some form.

Human condition just refers to, very literally, the condition of being human. Encompassing the key elements of human life, whether it be key events or emotions and contradiction. Fun.

"Though, I would/will/do just fall in the... perfectionism trap of not believing myself able to talk about something until I've read it all, understood it, and understand essentially everything in that field. Because, what if I say something that is incorrect or debunked or whatever, in that very field? How can I trust that my interpretation of some text is accurate? And, if no one (of few) agree(s) with you on something, it shouldn't necessarily disprove you? Maybe they just never thought of that. Or, you are simply wrong, they are right, you know no better and thus should not even be here- what are you doing here, with no expertise, stick to what you know, the basics, don't venture beyond." 

Your first sentence: Discussing will help understanding a lot. You won't fit the full scope of human perspective in your own thoughts. Speak to another individual about it. You'll never understand it fully. No one will. But, it's more fun to help one another along the path of futility.

Your second (and third, I think): Argue it nonetheless. It you agree with the points made against you, just change your mind. There is no correct interpretation. If there was a correct interpretation, then no one would be discussing it: because everyone agrees that this way of seeing it is the "right" way. Bo-ring. Half of the fun comes from debating different interpretations. 

Your fourth and fifth: Correct. And correct. Thus why, you argue it nonetheless, and make up your mind yourself depending on the points they make, and the points you make.

Your last sentence: If anyone says that, they've no right to be discussing any form of media. 'Tis a load of horse excrement. 

It's always a bit worrying, dipping your toes into another field. But the ones who aren't insecure gatekeepers will welcome you without judgement. 

Know that if anyone says anything similar to your last sentence to you, they have stuff they need to work out. Don't bother with them.

Thanks for that

That last sentence is what I say to myself, a bit.

Good point about talking to others, honestly. Just make sure they can actually contribute and aren't just friends who will nod and listen. Though, they can probably have insight, especially if they are in related fields? Idk, everything is confusing, so many exceptions or doubts, and clarifications/caveats. Heh.

But uhm.

I like the idea that I actually have something to contribute- that it's not all "solved" already. Like how in math there are unsolved/unproved/un-disproves problems and stuff? Probably the same with philosophy but I don't know enough to form a sentence I'm confident in- which would maybe just be a clichéd one? One everyone repeats, so I learned it and it's true?

Also, with the "fancy" words and stuff, I've found I can use "fancy" words subconsciously- naturally. Idk.

Wasn’t me I don’t love linkin park

Just now, Honors Spectral Image said:

Wasn’t me I don’t love linkin park

I coulda swore lol

U like chapel roane and tchaik six tho?

wait, would it be correct to call that a truism?

1 minute ago, Usseewa said:

https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/201793-trans-hangout-thread/page/4/#findComment-2028016

 

I get it

I hope/think

Thanks for that

That last sentence is what I say to myself, a bit.

Good point about talking to others, honestly. Just make sure they can actually contribute and aren't just friends who will nod and listen. Though, they can probably have insight, especially if they are in related fields? Idk, everything is confusing, so many exceptions or doubts, and clarifications/caveats. Heh.

But uhm.

I like the idea that I actually have something to contribute- that it's not all "solved" already. Like how in math there are unsolved/unproved/un-disproves problems and stuff? Probably the same with philosophy but I don't know enough to form a sentence I'm confident in- which would maybe just be a clichéd one? One everyone repeats, so I learned it and it's true?

Also, with the "fancy" words and stuff, I've found I can use "fancy" words subconsciously- naturally. Idk.

You can always contribute something. You are contributing right now. Alternative viewpoints, whether or not completely orignal, are always useful.

With philosophy, you get to a point when you realise that it give more problems than answers. 
That can get you really down in the dumps. Like. Really, really badly.

But, you find your own "solutions" eventually. Reframing, acceptance, distraction... list goes on.

In regards to linkin park: It was part of my transition from rock to metal. of course, more on rock-side of the spectrum, but still was a major part of my audiophilia.

2 minutes ago, Denissimo said:

You can always contribute something. You are contributing right now. Alternative viewpoints, whether or not completely orignal, are always useful.

With philosophy, you get to a point when you realise that it give more problems than answers. 
That can get you really down in the dumps. Like. Really, really badly.

But, you find your own "solutions" eventually. Reframing, acceptance, distraction... list goes on.

In regards to linkin park: It was part of my transition from rock to metal. of course, more on rock-side of the spectrum, but still was a major part of my audiophilia.

I love trying to be or thinking myself philosophical

For originality... I don't like when me, or someone, has a thought or idea that has been thought by others- and maybe even so common a thought/idea that it's one of those thoughts that are fortunately/unfortunately relatable by every other stranger or friend.

But, I think, to have more original or impactful thoughts you need to venture *deeper,* as most everyone goes surface-level- that's just shower thought-type stuff. Less people think deeper, etc. Yeah. Idk if that's true or not but it sounds right. There are a *lot* of people, and lots of things are the same- like the products we use or the movies or books we read. You ever think of how so many people know some song, band, or movie? Not even counting "classics" all the time. But by making an effort and doing something less people have done, you can be meaningful. The trouble sometimes can be knowing what has or hasn't been done; thinking yourself so creative only to realize it's already an established concept or whatever, and millions of people know about/do whatever it is.

6 minutes ago, Usseewa said:

I love trying to be or thinking myself philosophical

For originality... I don't like when me, or someone, has a thought or idea that has been thought by others- and maybe even so common a thought/idea that it's one of those thoughts that are fortunately/unfortunately relatable by every other stranger or friend.

But, I think, to have more original or impactful thoughts you need to venture *deeper,* as most everyone goes surface-level- that's just shower thought-type stuff. Less people think deeper, etc. Yeah. Idk if that's true or not but it sounds right. There are a *lot* of people, and lots of things are the same- like the products we use or the movies or books we read. You ever think of how so many people know some song, band, or movie? Not even counting "classics" all the time. But by making an effort and doing something less people have done, you can be meaningful. The trouble sometimes can be knowing what has or hasn't been done; thinking yourself so creative only to realize it's already an established concept or whatever, and millions of people know about/do whatever it is.

Be careful. Most every one does go surface-level, but most everyone has also had some sort of deeper contemplation.

It does "sound" right, only because the nature of base human interaction. Basically, say you speak with your friends. As far as I have observed, people rarely speak about really thought provoking or ruminative topics with their irl friends. That is not to say that they do not have these thoughts. its just that you don't speak about them.

Think of each and every individual you meet as another iteration of yourself. Not to say that everyone is in any way the same, rather everyone is equal: largely at least, in capability. Perhaps in different fields but capability nontheless.

The title "philosopher" is given to people usually, after they have died and written a butt-ton of heavily worded essays. By the base defintion though, everyone is legitmately a philosopher. It's not a career. It simply refers to the act of philosophizing, ruminating. Being human.

Be careful. In the words of our good friend Hoid:
"What is it we value? Innovation. Originality. Novelty. But most importantly...timeliness."
Nothing is original. Legimately. Everything thats ever been thought of has been thought of. Just perhaps not marketed. 
Try not to give being "different" too much meaning. Don't think of oneself's meaning as doing stuff that less people has done.
Partially because "less people" is still likely trillions, across the history of mankind. 
Partially because that means your value and meaning depends on the actions of others as well as your own. Different people can have a different opinion as to your value, but that shouldn't affect your own perception.

I feel like this is incomplete. Bah, nothing else is coming to mind presently. I'll add when I have more to add.

Funny enough, every line of the emptiness machine is true for me in some way or another rn

also two faced and casualty

32 minutes ago, Usseewa said:

I coulda swore lol

U like chapel roane and tchaik six tho?

wait, would it be correct to call that a truism?

I like Chappell roan tchaik six and and Agatha is Dead and Pierce the Veil and so much more

6 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Funny enough, every line of the emptiness machine is true for me in some way or another rn

also two faced and casualty

Light SH:

8 minutes ago, Denissimo said:

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"I let you cut me open, just to watch me bleed"

 

More philisophically. My identity, my beliefs, are being cut away from me by people who think they know better.

1 minute ago, Verdance said:

More philisophically. My identity, my beliefs, are being cut away from me by people who think they know better.

(Hopping to discord.) (I'm already there)

18 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Funny enough, every line of the emptiness machine is true for me in some way or another rn

also two faced and casualty

almost like the lyrics are about cult stuff hmmm 

7 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

almost like the lyrics are about cult stuff hmmm 

Did you know that the first century romans regarded Christianity as a cult

“this is an offering in your favor, a sacrifice in your name, but i know you’ve got a taste, so just take a bite of me…”

1 minute ago, Verdance said:

Did you know that the first century romans regarded Christianity as a cult

“this is an offering in your favor, a sacrifice in your name, but i know you’ve got a taste, so just take a bite of me…”

I like that. That is great. 

1 minute ago, Denissimo said:

I like that. That is great. 

The Offering, Sleep Token

More of a cult than anything else, but in the opposite way from my faith

3 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Did you know that the first century romans regarded Christianity as a cult

“this is an offering in your favor, a sacrifice in your name, but i know you’ve got a taste, so just take a bite of me…”

if you look at the history behind the linkin park group (especially the new lead singer they have now) the lyrics of the Emptiness Machine make a lot more sense

2 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

if you look at the history behind the linkin park group (especially the new lead singer they have now) the lyrics of the Emptiness Machine make a lot more sense

 

Chester is not alive. idk much else about the history

They make a lot of sense to me, personally. 

I think the beautiful thing about music is that people are open to interpret it how they like

10 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

I think the beautiful thing about music is that people are open to interpret it how they like

 Verily doth the green one agreeth

however

he shall desire to know more about the skies knowledge of the subject, the story of the song

so that his own flawed perspective does not become his whole truth

Then research is your friend.