SweetLift

Just got to this part where Shallan is reading the letter. Definitely thought Tien. Still brainstorming about other possibilities, but I think it is a good possibility. But he couldn't heal himself...so maybe he had not spoken the words... The carving he made for Kaladin, along with all the beauty he sees in his rocks and how he can make everyone feel happy makes me think for sure he had a spren hanging about

I was just going to make a theory that the sphere is a Dawnshard!

I searched and was not able to find anything in the forum in regards to this 'hidden order', but please point me to it if i missed it. In WoR it says that only nine of the ten orders as one would not abandon their arms and flee. Does this mean that there is an order of KR that has been roaming Roshar since the recreance? If yes my bet is the skybreakers, but I may be misinterpreting this quote. “This act of great villainy went beyond the impudence which had hitherto been ascribed to the orders; as the fighting was particularly intense at this time, many attributed this act to a sense of inherent betrayal; and after they withdrew, about two thousand made assault upon them, destroying much of the membership; but this was only nine of the ten, as one said they would not abandon their arms and flee, but instead entertained great subterfuge at the expense of the other nine. ” — Words of Radiance, Chapter 38, page 20

There is a lot about this in the Secret Histories, especially in the second part two. Not sure that I can be specific here, but there is more info about the cognitive realm and the spiritual realm.

Can we add forgery to this one, seems like the light weaving and forgery combined with this level of skill could be very powerful.

i still think they cryptics want Elhokar, but I am not sure if they want him to be a radiant. I remember when Shallan started seeing the cryptics when she was drawing it really freaked her out and then the first time she heard (or remembered hearing) the voice, it was scary. I was worried for her at first. So Elhokar being concerned is not surprising, especially since they have tried talking to him. Are all Spren in fact 'good'?

I am really stuck on the visions right now. Are they the same vision? is it a broadcast (someone else used that term and I like it) that certain people (maybe Bond Smiths) can access? But i am with you, the way the people interact with him and are confused by Dalinar's behavior is strange. It seems like it is possible something else is going on in these visions...I don't know what

And HOW did he get Nightblood!?

I thought that the shadows went away when Kal came was because of his bond with Syl. Cryptics and Honorspren do not get along (according to Syl). Edited: I do like this scene and hope that it means that Elhokar will become a better leader

So multiple people can receive the message (like the idea of the storm broadcasting messages). Is the message the same for everyone or is it possible there are multiple messages being broadcast? I thought Kal riding the storm was an 'advantage' or perk of his bond with Syl, rather than receiving a general message; it seems more specific. For example, when he is stuck in the high storm in the chasm with Shallan. The storm father speaks directly to him. And he also speaks directly to Eshonai (sp)

I didn't mean to say there is a link between the death rattles and visions. Just remembered that there was someone noted as seeing visions and he happened to be someone that ended up having a death rattle. I didn't know own how to identify him. I am in terms Ted in what his rattle but not as it relates to visions. Hope that clarifies...

i have been thinking and reading several threads have led me to think about the visions. A death rattle was recorded by an individual known to have visions during high storms. Gavilar had them (is there actual proof of that?) and Dalinar has them. Can multiple people have these visions? Are they the same for everyone? How does a vision work? It seems that Dalinar can interact very specifically with his visions. He can fight beasts, the radiant notices his skill at fighting and tells him to go to Urithiru to become a radiant. Does this have an impact on the past or the man (Heb?) who's body he was in during the vision? Did he influence Nohadon to write the Way of Kings? Is there more to this than we have seen so far?

I like a lot of what you say here. I do not remember all of the visions but I do remember that in the one with Midnight Essence, there was not stormlight. Dalinar notices the flickering flames and wonders about it being inefficient. Not sure if that is really helpful, but it proves that stormlight was not around (in the third epic, not sure when that is in reference to the current year). I did think that the Storm Father was a splinter of Honor, is that the same thing as a cognitive shadow? I will have to

There is a lot happening in this thread. Skybreakers and Darkness - In the Lift interlude, she asks Darkness why her, why is he going to kill her, there are so many other bad people doing bad things. He says to her, what she is becoming will bring about bad things. He maybe is mad, I think that he believes he is helping. Could more people surgebinding bring about a desolation faster, or are more people able to surgebind because a desolation is coming? Parshendi - I find it interesting that at the Tower, when Kalidin begins surgebinding they recognize what he is doing. And they are afraid. Visions - There was a death rattle recorded by a man that was stated to have visions during high storms. I cannot remember the death rattle, but is this evidence that perhaps other people all over Roshar may be having visions? And if so are they different for each person? I found it interesting that Dalinar could interact in the vision, he fought off the Midnight Essence and spoke with the radiant before the avatar began speaking. It makes me wonder how these visions are formed. I guess i will have to do more searching to see if i have missed this somewhere. It does make me think that Gavilar and Dalinar could have experienced different visions. Maybe they are somehow tied to a geographical location? or a place that a person has visited... Sons of Honor and Gavlilar - the way that Tarivangian speaks of Gavliar makes me think that at some point Gavliar may have changed his mind about his loyalties, or playing on more than one team... Ghostbloods - a couple world hoppers, This post has been reported for attempting to skirt the rules are they doing? I need read again and pay more attention to the meetings with these people Is it possible the world will not be saved? Is it part of a bigger Cosmere plot....not saying that I believe that, but just a random thought

I could see how she seems cold in the beginning of WoK. After the Tower and later in WoR we see more emotion from her. She loves Adolin and Renarin and then Shallan. I think she is in a very difficult position in the beginning of WoK and she tried the best way that she knew how to, position herself in the place where she felt that she was needed and she could be of use. I could see how she would scratch and claw her way up from feeling like she was no longer of value to family or society.