Feruchemist radiant?

[Zmaray]

Feruchemy could increase a radiants powers as well as allow them to function without Stormlight. Allomancy releases investiture, so if you were an allomancer and a feruchemist, you could burn metals and store the energy as investiture in nicrosil. By burning this, you can release this investiture in the form of stormlight, as allomancy involves more investiture than Stormlight. Therefore, radiants can both absorb and release more stor light for there surges if they are a feruchemist, just as feruchemy can enhance allomancy through compounding.

[CaptainRyan]

4 hours ago, Gudbrand said:

allomancy involves more investiture than Stormlight

Citation needed. 

[Zmaray]

12 hours ago, CaptainRyan said:

Citation needed. 

I can't find the exact quote, but Sanderson said once that with investiture, replicating breath was easy, Stormlight was fairly easy and anything beyond that is nigh impossible.

[Calderis]

7 hours ago, Gudbrand said:

I can't find the exact quote, but Sanderson said once that with investiture, replicating breath was easy, Stormlight was fairly easy and anything beyond that is nigh impossible.

That has nothing to do with investiture amounts and everything to do with the form that it's in. Breath and Stormlight are in their gaseous form and are very close to "pure" Investiture. All of the other forms of access to magic have some kind of middle man between the user and the fuel that those two lack, requiring additional input to convert. Metal is required on Scadrial but the fuel is Preservation, the Sands on Taldain aren't the fuel. 

The problem with the others is complexity, not power. 

[Calderis]

35 minutes ago, Gudbrand said:

Feruchemy could increase a radiants powers as well as allow them to function without Stormlight. Allomancy releases investiture, so if you were an allomancer and a feruchemist, you could burn metals and store the energy as investiture in nicrosil. By burning this, you can release this investiture in the form of stormlight, as allomancy involves more investiture than Stormlight. Therefore, radiants can both absorb and release more stor light for there surges if they are a feruchemist, just as feruchemy can enhance allomancy through compounding.

We don't know exactly what it is, but you're missing a step in there. 

Straight compounding between Allomancy and Feruchemy only works as simply as it does because both systems are derived from the same Shards. 

In addition, we don't know enough about how F-Nicrosil functions. Yes it stores investiture, but that's such a broad term that assuming it can be used to convert investiture between two types is baseless speculation at this point. 

Hacks between two systems from different shards are going to be complicated by the fact that investiture is colored by the Shard it comes from. So even if Nicrosil can store blank investiture, to fuel surgebinding you'd have to convert that fuel from Preservation to Honor and/or Cultivation. 

Warbreaker / SA spoilers 

Spoiler

This is why Vasher can feed of Stormlight to stay alive but can't use it to Awaken. The commands of Awakening require an aspect of Endowment'investiture that is not present in Stormlight, even though both Breath and Stormlight are near "pure" Investiture. 

 

[Oversleep]

On 20.05.2017 at 10:18 PM, Calderis said:

Straight compounding between Allomancy and Feruchemy only works as simply as it does because both systems are derived from the same Shards.

Not true. It's about sharing the same focus. Allomancy is of Preservation and Hemalurgy is of Ruin and you can still burn a spike (however we don't know what would happen as Brandon gave us multiple contradicting answers).

[Calderis]

47 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

Not true. It's about sharing the same focus. Allomancy is of Preservation and Hemalurgy is of Ruin and you can still burn a spike (however we don't know what would happen as Brandon gave us multiple contradicting answers).

Yeah, I should have worded it that the systems are from the same shard world. I think sharing a focus is especially important for the Hemalurgy example because it literally is separate shards, whereas Feruchemy is blended. 

I still think there is some element of the shard coloring the investiture though. Stormlight and breath are very similar in form, but not in function. That functional difference seems to come from the Shards.

Breath is "sticky." I think this is because of the nature of Endowment. A gift given is far less meaningful if it quickly fades. Stormlight fades whether used or not and this is fitting of both Honor and Cultivation, because maintaining bonds or nurturing growth requires continued involvement and attention.

Edited May 25, 2017 by Calderis

[Yata]

5 minutes ago, FiveLate said:

One question:

Has Brandon actually said that Feruchemy is a blend of Ruin and Preservation?

Yes we have confirmation both from WoB and from a character with a perfect Realmatic Theory understanding.

5 minutes ago, FiveLate said:

We're the Terris people even originally from Scadrial?

There is a WoB and yes they are...But honestly also without the WoB, there are hint in the books about their local origin

[Themasterhunter]

all of this is mostly true, but the big flaw I see in this is that if you can't convert investiture through different shards, how do shard pools work, and what lets you travel through them?