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  1. Jo and the Bush
    Okay, that was stupid on both of our parts Arinain. Way more on mine then on yours, but yeah. Anyway, Time to change this game around completely. Dear Sons of Honour. You are losing. You're only chance of victory now is to ally with the Diagrammists and start killing Ghost Radiants. Arinian is a good start. He's a Ghost Edgedancer. If you need any other information as to the Who the other radiants are, we the diagrammists will be doing are best to reveal that info. However, we will not be killing Arinian, because as long as he is alive, you guys can't kill us. So please do kill him. Dear Diagrammists. I'm Sorry. I'm very sorry, and feel very stupid right now for forgetting that edgedancers are a thing. But, we can still win this. Focus all kills on the Ghostbloods for now. Don't kill any sons of Honour.
  2. Jo and the Bush
    Was Kipper killed by a Cook?
  3. Jo and the Bush
    Where did Kipper's Vote go? Should we assume that was an Ardent/Lightweaver, or was that a mistake?
  4. Jo and the Bush
    After a quick discussion with my commanding officer, I am going to vote for Lopen. Lopen and Sart are now tied with two votes each. Obviously this means Sart is one of my teamamtes and Lopen is not.
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    Scarves

  6. Jo and the Bush
    You can only message your inferiors, yeah. If you are a private, remember that your commanding officer has multiple people to contact, so even though you didn't get contacted, just be patient. You'll be contacted by cycle 3 at the latest. Unless your officer gets killed. (There are a lot of windows to fall out of in Urithiru.)
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    Which is exactly why i said 'From this point on" (Or something like that, too lazy to check for exact wording.) Now, this is partially off topic for this game, partially about the Meta, but I want it out there as a matter of public record. D1 Lynches are necessary, in a Normal, Eliminator vs. Village mafia game. That has been established beyond a shadow of a doubt. But I'm getting tired of people saying D1 lynches are necessary in every game. Not every game has the same structure of Eliminator vs Village. Some games have conversions, some games have multiple teams. Those games cannot be considered to be the same in regards to D1 Lynches. But here's my rule of thumb for deciding whether or not to participate in a D1 Lynch. I participate in a D1 lynch if the enemy is in a clear majority or clear minority, and i know that my faction cannot be changed. If either of those things are untrue, then i do not participate. The Enemy is not in a clear majority/minority. I am not voting for a d1 lynch today because we need time to build up chain of command PM's. None of us are part of a faction with a clear majority. We have at most half the players on our side, and at least a quarter of the players on our side, depending on how the Diagrammists are spread out. Either one is bad odds for me to be willing to lynch a random player. Suppose We accidentally put Thad or Rest up for the lynch? Communications amongst the team is crippled. That's worst case scenario, but it's possible. So i won't participate, except to save someone i am certain* is part of my faction. *Reasonably certain. I know that the people who are connected to me are part of my Son/Ghost Faction, though I don't know if they're part of the Diagrammists. Either way, they're the ones I'll be voting to save. That said, I am not voting we don't have a D1 Lynch. I would prefer we don't, but that's not going to happen. I'm simply not going to participate until i have a better chain of command established, so that Thad/Rest can inform me through the chain to not vote on this person or that person, because they are part of our faction.
  8. Jo and the Bush
    Urteau, Silverlight, Urithiru, Luthadel, the Ire, The Shattered Plains. And now Tryian Falls. He knew the signs. The randomly spontaneous gathering of so many diverse people. Some talkative, so quiet and watchful. All paranoid and bloodthirsty. The rumours of saboteurs and murderers hiding in their midst. Men and women pretending to be friendly but willing to kill in the night. The way that the locations was mysteriously empty of anyone unimportant. The game was afoot. And Jack Tormander got another shot and life. The first thing he did when his memories returned was to swear, quietly, under his breath so that his family didn't hear. The second thing he did was to see if any powers or skills from previous lives had carried over with the memories. Unfortunately, they did not. Just the allomancy. Which was disappointing, considering how good he had gotten at awakening under Sani's tutelage. After that, he got to work. He began to make rounds of the town figuring out who the others were. He could almost always tell at a glance if someone was important or not. The extremely average looking skaa leaning against the wall? Just someone put there to flesh out the town. But the mustachioed man telling bad pickup lines to a fawning woman? He was important. The generic innkeeper wasn't, the man screaming about the Future was, the man pulling water from the well wasn't, but the woman rifling through his pockets was. Once he was certain that he had a complete list of eventual murder victims, he set about understanding the limits. Sure enough, the powers were all limited. Each of them could only to one thing. No matter how he strained, he couldn't kill someone with Pewter or Iron, only Steel. Nor could he save a life with Steel or Pewter, only Iron. He'd never really understood why that was. What cruel god saw fit to give them powers, but then limit them to one specific task? No sense at all. Finally, when the sun was just slipping down below the horizon, he began to figure out what was going to be the spark this time. How would they all suddenly realize they needed to kill eachother every day to see who the saboteurs were, rather than just being sensible and strip searching everyone for spikes? These lives never made any sense! His best guess as to the spark was that something about the defenses would go wrong. probably a palisade or wall would get set on fire in the night. His best guess as to why these situations happened was that the gods were all just jerks. Either way, at least he was alive again, after having been executed sometime in a parallel future. Another day, another death. Jack Tormander; Past Lives
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    Same man. I'm drinking ht chocolate right now actually. To be clear, i support the Bondsmith win con, i just don't support it over my faction win con, and am unwilling to let this turn into a game devoted to achieving the Bondsmith win con. I'm not going to lynch people who agree that the Bondsmith win con is good, I'm going to lynch people who want to pursuit the Bondsmith win con at the cost of their faction win con, because doing so is selfish, and hurts their own team. a Player who has the best interests of his team (Not the currently living members of his team, his entire team) shouldn't be pursuing such a win con, because the dead members of his team lose. Yes, i know that I am making a generalization, and also writing down my views as facts. I also know that I am assuming all players share my views of the team first, then me, which is untrue. My intention is not to force everyone to be like me, I am simply establishing the danger of supporting the Bondsmith win con. I hadn't put much thought into the actual math of that, but i will go on record as agreeing with that. 1 leader, 2 commanders, 2 captains, 5 privates per team. I'm a tad less certain about the 4 eliminators. But that's because Wilson is a GM, and she actively tries to shape the meta through people's expectations, but also has a deep respect for balance. So I'm only 90% certain that you're right about 4 eliminators.
  10. Jo and the Bush
    I'm going to head this off as soon as possible. The Bondsmith Joint win is unlikely, probably unattainable, and boring. I will not be trying to get the bondsmith victory. Deliberately going for the victory would require everyone to reveal their full alignment, diagrammists included, and then it would require the systematic destruction of the ghostbloods and the Sons until they have equal numbers to the diagrammists. Anyone seeing the problem here? The diagrammists can kill the other factions, with those factions full blessings, because it's to 'get down to the correct numbers'. Meanwhile, we'll be sacrificing our own teammates. But who are we going to sacrifice? Random players? No, we're too smart for that. We'd sacrifice regular players, roleless players. We don't want to lose powers after all. And what about the sacrifices, are they going to go along with this? Is everyone here willing to die just so that everyone else can win? No. No, everyone is not willing to die, to forfeit their own victory, just so that everyone else can win. (I'm not, so that statement is 100% true, even if all 19 other players disagree with me.) In short, After this point, i will accuse anyone who supports going for the bondsmith victory over* the normal victory, of being a diagrammist and do my best to kill them. *You can still support a bondsmith victory if it looks like it's in sight, just please don't lose sight of your side's victory, and the sacrifices of the deceased. Onto the actual game! So, this is a mostly hidden faction game. Only two people know the full sides; Thad and Rest. I'm uncertain as to the safest strategy for this game. I don't think anyone should be killing, unless they receive a list of their teammates from Thad or Rest, since otherwise they run the risk of Friendly Fire. I'm also uncertain if people should report to their superiors their roles, because if their superior is a diagrammist, then they'll likely kill them. Really, my best advice is to get as much information as possible, but to not share any of it.* Incidentally, this game has a high chance of having revealed Eliminators. Because, once we kill the last diagrammist, one team wins, and the other loses. So, a diagrammist facing the lynch will likely reveal, and beg for protection from the weaker faction, who will likely oblige in order to finish killing the enemy faction. There's no real way to deal with this until it comes up, but when it does, i vote we just kill the Diagrammist. Don't let them pull an Aman (Or a Joe) and lie about the number of their teammates, or their actions, ect. We just kill the diagrammist. We have no surefire way of knowing we have more radiants then the other faction. (Exception, if the entire other faction is dead, and this is confirmed by Thad or Rest, then we can be sure) so we have no real benefit to keeping any murdering diagrammists alive. As for the other possible win, or Both the sons and the ghosts winning together, with an equal number of radiants, i find that equally improbable. It's too easy for one side to lie and say "Oh yeah, we only have 1 radiant, just like you" when they have two. Heck, they could be telling the truth, not knowing that their skybreaker** has remained hidden this whole time. So, I'm not going to actively support an fullscale alliance. I won't stop one from forming, but if it does form, i won't trust it. TL;DR Read it anyway, but, in short, The likeliest, and safest route to victory is annihilation of the other two factions. don't be a sucker and play for alliances. *Yes, that advice is horrible if everyone practices it. **There are no skybreakers, they're just an example. Now then; on to defending myself from the inevitable arguments of: "Joe is a diagrammist, who is trying to keep the focus of the game on Ghosts vs. Sons! He's trying to divide us and keep us from working together!" That is not what I'm doing. I'm trying to keep us all from falling into the peace trap. I spent an hour trying to figure out the best way to get the most number of players to win, before realizing that 1) It was incredibly unlikely for more than 1 faction to win anyway, 2) it's too easy to sabotage, and requires everyone's cooperation, and 3) It's boring, and I want to kill the other factions.
  11. Jo and the Bush
    To be fair, that one had some extenuating circumstances, and really shouldn't count for record purposes. Long Live Lady Liberty.
  12. Jo and the Bush
    That's one, i only need 11 more to live!
  13. Jo and the Bush
    So, anyone have a preference for how I die tonight? Or, does anyone want me to stay alive?
  14. Jo and the Bush
    I have to kill myself, because I promised I would. I promised to kill myself to prevent Hoid, odium and Autonomy from converting me, because i'm the closest thing we have to a confirmed villager. I won't kill myself only if I get converted and ordered not to, or if half of the village wants me to stay alive. so while we really don't have enough information, it needs to happen anyway.
  15. Jo and the Bush
    You changed your profile pic. And good to have you back Silver
  16. Jo and the Bush
    So, Conquestor was Preservation? That's not a terrible shard to be shattered. I would like for it to be unshattered, but it's not that great of a loss. Does anyone want to come forward and claim to hold preservation? @Assassin in Burgundy Jond was saying people shouldn't vote d1 long before i had my two votes. And I'm still planning to kill myself at the end of Night 3. (Speaking of, anyone have any suggestions for how i kill myself? Who I should protect and so on?)
  17. Jo and the Bush
    So, quite obviously, we're lynching Harambe. I have no idea what his plan is. BUT We cannot let this stop all discussion for two days! Jondesu presumably started as a member of the 17th shard, or was just unlucky enough to be converted and killed at the same time. So let's go over what he said and did! Here's every post he ever made! Jon was against Day 1 lynches from the start, preferred to mention people rather than poke vote them. Either he hadn't been converted yet, or he didn't want to potentially lynch a good player that the shard wanted to convert. He had a short argument with Sheep about whether or not to have a D1 lynch, but other than that, didn't do much. Towards the beginning of the game, he mentioned Assassin and Doc and asked their plans. I'm tempted to ask those two if they started as shards or not. In later cycles, all he really did was decide that Elodin was indeed invested by Cultivation, and that we were either both eliminators, or I was a villager. That doesn't give us a lot of information. Can anyone else read anything into it? PS: @Cultivation, if you haven't passed your shard yet, you should target whoever holds the shattered Shard. Who ever got Con's shard, you should reveal yourself today so that Cultivation can heal you. Honour can protect you, and I can give up my life as planned to save you so that you can pass the shard to someone n this game
  18. Jo and the Bush
    Is Endowment planning on bringing Jondesu back, or are we letting him die? Also, to the current owner of Cultivation, I just realized, if I get invested by Odium (Turned into their agent, alignment changed) The first thing I'm going to do is tell them your identity. If you haven't moved cultivation, you probably should come day time. As for Harambe, I'm fine with him being Ruined.
  19. Jo and the Bush
    Wrong. That was me. I refused to kill a player, even randomly. Anyway, I don't have any opinions on the current lynch of Zephrer, and I'm fresh out of plans. Though, in the interest of public information, can we get world updates? Not player lists, unless you want to post them, just, is there any activity? Scadrial has a bit, mostly caused by A----- asking if anyone learned anything from their actions.
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    Clarification on why I trusted Elodin enough to invest in him: That was Elodin's very first post. a statement of where he was a and a pun. That was my response. I didn't understand the pun. He explained the pun. I googled Threnody, and learned it was a a lament, or song of mourning. That little exchange made me trust him enough to invest in him because I thought if he wasn't a villager, he would have said more. He didn't so i decided that he didn't have an agenda to push and was just waiting for things to happen, therefore, village.
  21. Jo and the Bush
    I was waiting to see if I would be returned in the other game to sign up. Since I have been, and Jack is still Alive, I will sign up as Sani Joslin, a Female former Shardbearer who was once killed by the Ghostbloods. She's here to explore Urithiru in order to gain a better knowledge of Fabrial sciences. She's hoping to combine them with the Scadrian Medallions to form more potent devices.
  22. Jo and the Bush
    Apologies for the double post, but this looks like a double tap. Two Bolts of Fire, which I wold posit means that Odium has already invested in a champion, and the two of them took out Jondesu together. I would guess that this means Odium has invested in someone they have a Synergy with (Like Mailliw and I, or WIlson and Hael) Or Odium is an inexperienced player who wanted the advice of an active experienced player. @Seonid How closely will the writeups match actual events?
  23. Jo and the Bush
    First off, Jack isn't a boy. He is a grown man with a dead wife and a five year old daughter. Secondly, yes. Being returned was much different then being human. Everything seemed more crisp, and more clean. His senses were better, and he felt stronger, even though Jonly had shown him the trick to maintain his old, predeath body. Speaking of, that had hurt. He hadn't expected it to hurt. He wasn't certain where he was at the moment. This wasn't Silverlight, where Khriss had killed him. This was some world other, near a city he didn't recognize. And there was was someone coming towards him. A familiar voice yelled out his name, and Jack grinned and ran to meet the man. "Farallen! Sorry for the scare. A couple of friends of mine brought me back. I'm not really allowed to talk about it. But do you know where we are?"
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    Same man. I was kind of hoping i wouldn't get returned, because I'm tired of being the center of discussion, and people are still suspicious of me. First off, i'm not voting for Lopen like i did last time. that vote was stupid, and i was angry at him for voting for me on day 1, and i overreacted. Even if people didn't see it, i was pissed by the day 1 vote. Which is also why i decided to not save myself. I could have by tieing the vote, as many of you have already said, but i'm getting better at recognizing unhealthy signs of anger, so i decided to let myself die and give my self time to cool down. About halfway through the night i realized i needed to not be returned, since as long as I'm still alive, Everyone is going to think that Elodin and I are on the same team. (In retrospect, i should have invested in someone like Sheep.) Oh yeah, Elodin doesn't have Cultivation. To the current wielder of Cultivation. My Meta-narrative backers would very much like you to get rid of it. Nothing else on that. Anyway, conversions. I'm going to use my returned power and kill myself at the end of night 3. That is a solemn oath. I will only not kill myself at the end of Night 3 if Over half of the surviving players tell me not to, or I have been converted. This is to prevent me being converted, because now if i don't kill myself at the end of night 3, I'm sure to be lynched by the village, and therefore a conversion is wasted. (#Kira-not-Kira). I wish I had more time to keep talking and responding, but I have to head out in about 5 minutes, so this is all you're going to get for the next 6 hours.
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    Given there is a half an hour left, and I am still up for a lynch, it seems justified to me.
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