Kier

You're right, but it was considered to be rare, even unique, in his town. The huge size is also a downside, which means watches aren't a thing (yet).

 

Well yeah, I wasn't suggesting a watch. more that if Lirin had a Clock, the palace probably had clocks... and maybe one in the room. However, maybe not. 

@Kier

 

I agree with the majority of your actors but one I strongly disagree with. John Cleese is an amazing actor and could possibly have a role in the movie but he is way too old to play Breeze.

 

I think Age is mute. Besides... well its been some time since I read Mistborn... but I've always had the view that Sazed, Ham, Breeze, and Clubs were much older than even Kelsier. 

 

Also Cleese could be made to look younger, and in any move I have seen him this mannorisms, voice, behaviors are all so spot on Breeze. haha

I doubt the shadesmere thing was as short as that. Liss pointed out Jasnah was late. They didnt exaktely have precice watches, would she have nticed if Jasnah was just a few minutes late? More likely a longer time for her to comment on it.

 

doesn't Lirin have a fabrial Clock? or am I pulling lies out of my butt?

This is also my thoughts on the matter. 

I really like "The Tower" refrencing Uirtuiru (Sp). To me, that means "The fallen title" is mostly likely the title of Knights Radiant. 

 

Although I don't know what to make of "The Crown" in that case. Maybe just being "The Crown" as a refrence to Glory, but with the others being more specific, I doubt it. 

 

I don't think the Death Crys would refrence old Althikar Highpricne titles.

I think the Recreance was the Betrayal that was mentioned by the spren.

 

To me I think that the Spren who had bonds were allowed to grow concience beyond the normal spren and were the "leaders" then when they lost their bonds, the Cognitive realm fell into a semi-choaitc state becasue all of the larger bond spren became lesser spren with the loss of the bond... Or something like that.

The lame collar is still there on the uniform, but Kaladin is much much much better.  The cracks propagating from Kaladin's glowing fist are also interesting.  Looks like he just landed with a substantial amount of energy.  The ground is cracked under his foot as well.

 

I do have to agree wiht the Collar. whenever i hear them talk about the coats and military style in the book I've always pictured a chiniese minimal collar type jacket. Like Bruce Lee wears... or a priest. which I think is an awesome style. Not modern large lepel style collars.

I suppose the question really is if Miles was a Feruchemical gold savant. If that can even be a thing? His resistance to pain suggests that it might be a thing, much like pewter savants become immune to it. My understanding of savants is that the constant Investiture flowing through you forces changes in your body as it adapts to the power. And keep in mind that I'm not suggesting immortality comes about as a result of becoming a 'Stormlight savant' - that comes from holding the Stormlight, not the physical changes it forces on your body.

 

I am uncertain if Feruchemical gold compounding means you're constantly holding Investiture as well. Feruchemy is distinct from Allomancy in that the Investiture stored in metalminds comes from you (so it would be unlikely to turn you into a savant), but then Compounding ruins that. There is also something to consider with the idea of typed vs untyped Investiture - Stormlight comes with myriad benefits, perhaps because it's 'untyped' and just raw Honor or whatever. Same with Breaths. Feruchemical gold really only provides one benefit, as it's a specific use of Investiture, so it would be 'typed' Investiture, and thus not grant immortality. Something to explore, for sure.

 

I was under the impression that stormlight is much like the mists. which is much like the breaths. Where as if per say Vin was able to channel the mist like Kaladin does stormlight it would grant her immortality. However, for whatever reason that isn't how Scandrials magic system came about. SO they don't hold the as you put it "untyped" investiture. 

1. Dalinar not dying.

2. Kaladin growing trust in Adolin and Dalinar enough to tell them about his powers, or being forced to use his powers to protect them/his men while Adolin or Dalinar are present.

3. Plot twists involving who/what/where the voidbringers are. 

4. more fabrial science.

5. more surgebinding.

6. Find out why Hoid is avoiding his "friend" on Roshar. 

I was somewhat surprised that there are so many people who support this pair so strongly. It felt a bit like a desperate shot at the dark to me, but while I made my rebuttal comment, I was almost convinced myself that Shallarin was inevitable. That was a weird moment, really. But in the end, I remain unconverted.

Renarin and Shallan actually are very compatible with each other. They are both very clever people, negatively influenced by their family, and they both stuck me as wallflowers. It will be nice to see them come out fully from their shells and shine, maybe with each other. Since both Shallan and Renarin are both nobility from two respectable Houses, they are also a match for each other if they ever decide to tie to knot. But. They are so similiar in so many ways that if a relationship were to blossom between them, they will be no more than close friends.

I feel that Shallan is the type to go for excitement rather than dedication. This is pretty common. I mean, she's what, fifteen in the book, but in spite of the other guys in her life, she fell pretty hard for twenty-something ardent who later turned out to be a member of a secret organization. It's only one example, but it's the start of a pattern. Because of how she lived her life and her father died, it's almost certain that she has a bit (or a lot) of a daddy-issue.

So, rather than spending her time trying to coax a shy Renarin, I think she'll rather shoot for someone else, like Adolin or Kaladin. If she feels especially adventurous, maybe Elhokar himself. And yes, I know he's married. And about twenty years older than her. I really doubt this will happen, but I won't know for sure until the release of the next book.

As for those who scorn the idea of Adolin and Shallan, I might remind you that opposites do attract in real life. There is a very fine line between hate and love, and all it takes to cross one with the other is a right moment.

 

I completely agree with you. It is possible for people that are very similar to be in love and have a good relationship, however, its much more common for people with opposite views of life to be attracted to one another. 

 

I've always been confused about the Shallarin thing. Personally I think Shallan and Adolin would be a much more exciting and better relationship anyway. 

 

I also think Adolin will appreciate Shallans skill at art, and more importantly her quick wit. Even more than Shy Renarin. 

I could actually get behind this.. I think I agree more with Aether that the lackeys of Darkness are probably not Radiants. However, I could see the Surgebinding giving agelessness. Also the holding of stormlight slowly lighteneing your eyecolor perminately. 

 

The Radiant in the Ferverstone Keep has almost white eyes. To me that seems to point to not only light eyes, but bright light eyes, and thats after he gave up his shards. 

 

I do think however, when the Radiants gave up their blades and plate, They also gave up their Bond and Spren, and they also, in my opinion lost their ability to hold stormlight and surgebind. So even if their surgebinding did provide Agelessness, after that, they were mortal and probably died. 

I don't think a Naginata or a Gwan Dao would take that much adapting. I would take some, as the blade is much heavier. However both Weapons, Naginata and Gwan Daos, are known to have short or long versions between 5-6 feet. 

 

We know Kaladin is taller than quite a few rosharians. So a Short Gwan Dao wouldn't be that different than his current fighting style. 

Yeah That's the TICKET! When I say Naganita in my head it looks like that, haha.  I knew there was something closer to what I was thinking.  But for Kadadin just double the length of the blade.. hahaha.

 

Exactly. Haha

I agree with AG. If Kaladin makes a Shardspear I don't think it will be a standard piercing spear, Although I don't think it will really be a Naginata either I think it will be much more like a Gwan Dao.

 

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Szeth mentions in the Prologue that Blade and Plate were gifts from the gods.

So this has to be taken as a viable alternative: they do not "grow" their armor, but rather they are receiving it as gift from a shard. It's not clear also that ALL radiants had Plate and Blade. With Honor dead, it's not even clear they can get new ones though. In the vision, Tanavast said to "return" to the men the shards they bore (plate and blade). So maybe they need to find a way to "clense" them from corruption. And find that hidden cache of course. Another possibility is that the hidden cache is not corrupted, only those given to the people of Feverstone Keep.

 

You also need to remember taht Szeths people worship stone and think it a sin to walk on it (Yet I'm pretty sure the heralds are walking on it in the prelude...) Also that the voidbringers are not real. So, although he has some knowledge about the Radiants and Surgebinding he isn't exactly a reliable source. 

 

Edit: added the heralds walking on stone part.

I also don't find this its talking about Rysn to be reliable. 

 

We know Hoid has some way of knowing where to be for some things, but I don't think he would have any knowledge of Rysn.... or her finding a Shardblade. 

 

I do think there might be something to this anagram buisness, but I find it much more likely to be Hoid giving clues about shardblades, or about something to do with shardblades.

 

Unless its Brandon just putting something in there for us to find that is cool, I doubt it has anything to do with Rysn.

I do think this is a good theory. 

 

I agree that the plate and blade where very personal items. I also think part of that is still there. (Hench why it is so difficult and so unnerving for Dalinar to think about the King loaning out his plate and blade for duels.) However, with them that connection isn't even close to as personal as I think the original Radiants was to their plate and blade. 

 

That being the case I do think something happend when radiants died. Also, we can infer some things from other works...

 

Mistborn spoilers

The Honourblades in the Prelude are only ever really described as "magnificent", being:

At no point in the Prelude is their relative size to other Shardblades (or even size at all) described. The impression you have about their sizes comes from the Epilogue, where Talenel'Elin's Shardblade is correctly described as "massive". This might not really indicate that it is noticeably bigger than other Shardblades, just that Shardblades in general are massive weapons. But even if it is, it wouldn't necessarily be representative of all of the Honourblades. In fact, that last part of the quote is a strong suggestion that they may vary heavily in appearance, and presumably also in size.

 

If the impression of all Honourblades being "massive" was the only thing holding you back, then consider this rebuttal ALONE to be enough to convince you of otherwise  .

 

 

It is widely assumed that Honourblades behave differently from "normal" Shardblades, correct, but the only thing we know for sure is that an Honourblade disappear when their bonded Herald dies. We know nothing of what would happen if a normal human dies while wielding it. Suggestions range from it behaving just like a "normal" Shardblade and appearing next to its dead wielder, to reappearing where its respective Herald left them. Someone have also suggested that the Honourblades actually do behave like other Shardblades in this regard, but spawn next to their dead (or dead-ish) Herald wherever to he is transported. A normal human would not be transported anywhere, and the Blade would appear next to him/her. All of the above suggestions would account for how the Stone Shamans are able to retrieve it.

 

EDIT: Minor grammar.

 

 

ok...Lets see. You are correct, not that I doubted you, that the discriptions of the honorblades in the prelude actually lend more weight to your argument, perhaps. They are described as being flowing wokrs of art, inscribed with glyphs and patters, and unique. There is nothing aobut size. 

 

And even, the fact that we know they are Unique, unique enough that Kalak can identify whos blade is whos and Talns is described as being massive leads more weight that they most likely vary in size. 

 

However, One point. It does say not only is Talns sword massive but that it is specifically a massive shardblade. 

 

"..to his side he held a massive Shardblade..." 

 

Small but distinctive that I think his shardblade, correctly his honorblade is massive even in comparison to other shardblades. Other shardblades arn't, to my knowledge described as massive. Only larger than a normal sword, or as long as a man is tall.

 

As for the behavior of Szeths blade....I have no rebuttal. 

 

Logically, I should be convinced by my own words.. You have made good points. However, I'm going to reserve the right to be illogical and still be not convinced. 

I don't think he so much as changed Theology. To me its much more akin to the Enlightment movements of the late 1400's and early 1500's. When the Catholic Church was removed from faciliating all the knowledge about God to the bible being translated to english and the expanded theological knowldege. I don't think the theology or specific beliefes changed. 

 

To me we can see that as far back as the KR, (by way of the skyfall vision.) that Alethela, and by extention Alethkar had the deep rooted seed of one nation to learn and know war so others dont. That is a core of Alethi Culture, and not necessarily Vorin Religion. 

 

Now, With Alethkar being the largest Vorin Kingdom, and the one that happend to overthrow the Hierocracy, its easy to see how the overall Culture of Alethkar influenced the Vorin Theology, but I dont think it, or the Sunmaker specifically changed the Theology or its tenents, just set up the system that war, and fighting was the "Highest Calling."

 

 

One thing kind of bothers me about the shardblades.  Syl says she is an Honorspren, and she says that she binds things.  Her pranks were always about making things stick together.

 

Shardblades sever things.  They sever whatever bonds any material, and when they hit a person they sever the bond between the physical and the spirtual. 

 

The way a shardblade behaves seems completely the opposite of what Syl says Honorspren do.

 

 

mmmm. This is an intersting point. Good job. 

Why does it say 3 of sixteen ruled?  Did Honor, Cultivation, and Odium have a time of peace on the planet where Odium behaved himself?  I wonder what the hell must have happened for all three to have ruled for a time.  Odium seems like a  shard you know you can't just be buddies with.

 

Well to me it means the 3 "Ruled" by the way of the Oathpact. I think the Oathpact was made so Odium could be imprissioned for some gain to Honor on the conditions that he got to do something, much in the same way that... 

mistborn spoiler

Besides, if such an one was busted down to the bridge crews, a more poignant punishment would be to be placed in one of the crews he oversaw so that his punishment becomes the gift that keeps on giving with no direct culpability to the person who busted him down for anything that happens to Gaz.

 

I fully agree. If some lighteyes wanted to punish Gaz it would be to put him in a crew where his people would beat him down or make him run in the front first. Not where he would be an unknown. Furthermore, I know some have mentioned Gaz was being blackmailed and that is a reason he could end up in the bridge crews.

 

He was being blackmailed by Lamaril, who was exicuted. So yeah thats not going to work. A dead man can't send you to the bridgecrews. and we know he is around for a short time AFTER Lamaril dies. Furthermore, Sending someone who owes you money or is paying you money to the bridgecrews seems just about the worst idea ever. You aren't going to get any money from a dead man, and little from the bridgeman that happens to live. As we know they are paid pennies. 

I have a really hard time buying this theory for one reason and one reason alone. Honorblades in the Prelude, and Talns Honorblade are discribed as Massive.

 

And yet Szeths blade is described as shorter than most shardblades, and WoB is "Noticable Shorter than Shardbaldes"

 

So, for that reason ALONE Szeth in my mind cannot have an Honorblade. 

 

 

 

Oh, and one other "kinda proof."  Szeth says that part of his punishment is to be tortured for eternity rather than just cease to exist, we know Heralds also get to spend hundreds of years being tortured.  If Szeth is right about being tortured after he dies, the similarity of his fate to the Heralds can also be blamed on his blade.  

 

I think he is torture, is one the fact that he has to obey commands to kill and commands that he finds repulsive and evil, walk on stone, murder innocents, so on and so forth. And I do believe that he thinks religion wise that he is going to damnation becuase of it, not that he will live again to be tortured and so on and so forth.

 

Furthermore, if Szeth has an Honorblade, and we know Honorblades disappear when the holder dies, unlike Shardblades that appear when the holder dies.... how in the hell are the stone shamans going to retrieve his blade?? Its gone, it disappeared, gone to... well who knows? to shardsmar? so unless the Stone Shamans have the ability to go to Shardsmar, if thats even where the Honorblades go when the holder dies, I don't see the Shamans getting it any time soon after Sezth dies. 

I never used the word emotion, but remember upon the Recreance these blades went dark.  There must have been something that made them glow, a spren, or piece of honor? that was no longer there. We now have a powerful yet empty weapon just waiting to host something new, why not a corrupted spren or a piece of odium.  The first use of these hollow blades was greed of the humans that first possessed them, couldn't this have opened up these shards for corruption? 

 

This is a good point. Its my theory that the blades/plate did house the bonded spren of the KR. Or something very similar. Maybe they could store stormlight in the blades and plate? I dunno, that thought just came to me. 

 

And we have to remember that Intent has a Huge roll in the magic system. and the Blade and Plate are pieces of the magic system. So its not that far fetched that once they were discared by the KR they were ready to be filled, with a different Intent. 

You know what on earth does leave weird plateaus surrounded by cracks, albeit on a much smaller scale? A lake bed that suddenly dries up. I really doubt the shattered plains were a lake or shardpool but it is similar.

 

Well we do have the WoB that say "Great Magic Released here.." So yeah. Maybe the Shattered Plains are where Honor was Shattered? so not a shardpool/shardlake but maybe that is what realeased his power and created the shattered plains? I dunno, your comment just got me thinking.