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Precisely my point. The thematic intent seems to have been sabotaged in changing that bit of the chapter, and the payoff seems less clear than it was. I'm sure these revisions will serve a point down the line, but I would really hope for some important context to be added in upcoming books to help us readers feel why these changes were important overall.
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It struck me because thematically it wasn't as appealing in terms of the fight set up between Kaladin and Szeth, and because then Szeth's resurrection isn't quite as impressive in overall terms. Honestly its probably saved online somewhere, but the best way would be to find one of the original hard copies.
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It changes the canon nature of Szeth's death, which I found dissatisfying. Maybe later works will clear things up a bit, but we shall see. The only feeling I commit to at the moment is that it makes me leery of material released before the official release and I'm withholding judgement until later in the series.
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True. Still, that kind of big change made me leery, but I'm also trying to avoid getting too deep at first. I am looking forward to going downtown and getting my copy tomorrow though!
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With the release date in mind that is a relief, but I still worry Brandon might make another post-release change that will effect the way the story is meant to be viewed.
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My fear is of last minute edits that will throw me off later in the books. Then there was Brandon's decision to change the nature of Szeth's death in Words that also threw me, so I'm playing it safe by not reading for the moment.
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In light of some of the (what I found to be) disappointing changes and unfortunate later edits to Words of Radiance I have personally skipped out on reading the previews posted on Tor.com. I'm curious if anyone else has adopted this policy or whether I'm alone in doing that If other people have, what are your reasons?
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Tomorrow I will be reading Oathbringer and The Well of Ascension (second Mistborn trilogy read through) so I will have a very solid day ahead of me!
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I understand that they are sentimental (and largely assume them to be "hunt trophy's/souvenirs") but don't think that makes them suspicious. My underlying assumption is that worldhopping is known amongst the Ghostbloods, which would allow things very distinctly not Rosharan, to be displayed amongst the inner group (who wouldn't be overly curious since they know about the off world escapades) and as examples of what can be achieved. Of course an outsider wouldn't recognize them, at least not one who is not very cosmere aware. I'm just using this as a hypothetical argument for the Ghostbloods being worldhoppers as a part of their organization. It's possible I'm wrong, but since they seem to be able to recruit from off world, I have my suspicions.
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[Theory] Hoid was a Direct Perpetrator of the Shattering
EC11 replied to MistbornAlpaca's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Personally I think Hoid wasn't the total mastermind, but part of a diverse group of interests. Hoid may have had more of an understanding of the implications, but from what Frost says, they didn't fully understand what the implications of killing god would be. I think Frost seems to believe there was/is a greater plan, but doesn't grasp what it is. From what he's saying it appears to be hindsight that has wrought misery with their actions. So while the 16 gaining shards seems to have been an intent of almost all parties, I think that the consequences are well beyond what was expected. I think we have too limited an understanding to fully speculate on how and why Adonalsium was shattered, but I personally think Hoid has less of a leading role than we think. -
Hoid's Purpose in Shattering Adonalsium
EC11 replied to MistbornAlpaca's topic in Cosmere Discussion
So far as we know Hoid didn't play a direct role in the Shattering (while the 16 others definitely did) but what can be seen as clear is that both Hoid and Frost had a hand in shaping it at the very least. We know there were diverse and often cross purposed goals for gaining Shards (Ati getting Ruin is probably one, while Rayse taking Odium is another). Hoid seems to more have been a spectator rather than a perpetrator. I wouldn't say Hoid wants to become Adonalsium 2.0, but he seems to be working to gain all the various magics, which in theory would make him a functional god since he would control so much power over Investure that he could rival a Shard's influence. -
damnation, hadn't seen this. There goes my specific Odium theory. I do however, stand by the idea Autonomy is working with Odium on this one.
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Personally I am betting Scadrial as well. When Brandon says we have seen the Ones Above before, he may not mean we have literally seen them in their space faring state, but we may have seen the world their from. That narrows it down to the worlds we currently know. Given the hints regarding the future of Scadrial, we can safely assume that its probably them. Most likely they have a Prime Directive of sorts, and they are using that as a means of preventing local magic systems and cultures from being unnecessarily upended. It's possible the ones Sixth is dealing with are less scrupulous, or that the governing body of the Ones Above really really wants the Aviar so they're willing to play fast and loose with the rules.
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Isn't the problem that Red is sort of Odiums calling card? Granted we don't know enough about Autonomy individually yet (other than she has in fact worked with Odium before) wouldn't it make more sense that Odium is using some of his own power to try and disrupt Harmony before he can become a true threat? Possibly it is Autonomy channeling Odium's power, but there seems to be a greater plan at work rather than just Autonomy acting on her own.
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Hadn't even thought about that angle before, with the three diamonds. It's an interesting one. I think though, that it is more than possible that they are more than MiB as according to WoB Mraize has visited other planets and Iyatil was born in Silverlight and is descended from South Scadrians. It's possible that the lower ranking members don't know, while the higher ups are all much more cosmere aware and have had their awareness spread out from there. That being said, with Iyatil's origins being extra-Rosharic, then perhaps the higher ups have been recruiting from off world as well like the 17th Shard has been?
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I agree with that. That Iyatil originally came from off Roshar suggests to me that the organization has roots elsewhere, and the items that appear from offworld suggest that worldhopping is common enough that it can be displayed openly by Mraize. Personally I think we will know more once we are introduced to Thaidakar. If he is a worldhopper too that would make for a good case that they are merely filling out part of a larger plan on Roshar.
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So I've checked the search function and I can't quite find any threads asking the question I'm asking, so here goes. The Ghostbloods, whose goals are unknown, seem to have, by way of WoB and evidence on screen, a connection to the cosmere as a whole. We know for instance that at least two Ghostbloods are worldhoppers, and from some items in their hideout (a vial of sand I assume to be from Taldain, a silver knife I think could be from Threnody, among others) which could imply a casual understanding of worldhopping amongst their members. Their goals are vague, but I assume they are greater than Roshar as a whole. Though with only two worldhoppers is it possible that their organization is also a worldhopping organization? Discuss
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I thought Arcanum Unbounded said specifically that Odium's shattering sent them to the Beyond? Mind you, many of them might be like the Lord Ruler and not want to stick around as cognitive shadows. That would make the most sense to me. I mean Tanavast would probably not have made his "back up" plan to send on the visions if he thought he wasn't going to die.
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That makes sense. I always had a hard time tracking the nature of the fight between the two gods and how it weakened one vs the other.
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Hmm I thought part of it had to do with breaking the deal which weakened Preservation. Or was Preservation weaker because he had put a bit of himself in humans?
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Well something in the nature of Ruin and Preservation's agreement bound both of them in a way (and it seems breaking it forced Preservation to damage himself fatally), and since Honor is partially bound up in the nature of making agreements, I think Odium's capture has something to do with an agreement of sorts. Something in the agreement binds Odium to the Greater Roshar system, and he knows breaking that agreement will severely weaken him, and so is stuck until he can find a way out. As an aside, one of the reasons Odium may be so powerful is that unlike many shards he hasn't invested himself very much in any magic system, which perhaps gives him the brute force necessary to shatter other shards.
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Ok, so this is more of a general rumination versus an in dept theory, but bear with me. We know gunpowder is present on Taldain, and it may have possibly been present in the pre-Lord Ruler Scadrial. Outside of these worlds (so far as we know) gunpowder is not existent before Mistborn Era 3 in the greater cosmere. Is this because certain events and environmental stressers have allowed it to develop on these worlds, or because other worlds have just not advanced that far up the tech tree?
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A feeling I share The sheer certainty of the instruction too is very interesting, and just how humbling the ideas espoused by the Sura's are is rather appealing. Though I always do find it interesting to pick up on the little kernels of intersection between some passages from the Qu'ran and older texts, which appeals to the historian in me.
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Why do Truthless exist? (Potential WoR spoilers)
EC11 replied to Faceless Mist-Wraith's topic in Stormlight Archive
These are some good points. Szeth does have martial skill, something very uncommon in Shin society, so his being a soldier before being declared Truthless could have been a previous punishment. He must get the martial skill from somewhere. The idea that he was a member of the clergy before is interesting. It might be that he picked up a weapon at some point and was demoted to being a soldier from a higher position perhaps? -
Not at all! From a theological perspective it is fascinating, and though it doesn't really have what one would call a traditional narrative, it is interesting to read once you understand how to read it properly. Seeing the evolution in complexity and style of the Sura's is interesting for me. Some of it is very poetic, but I am often told it loses much in the translation to English
