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Right!?! To be involved in any way with the production would be badass.

Thanks for the response and the insights! As to the colors Shallan saw in the vision, the presence of (and B$’ precise description) magenta and cyan is too specific to be a coincidence based on his comments. I’m not sure where black comes into the picture you mentioned? We don’t really know a lot about Virtuosity or the specifics of the nature of that shard. I can say to the yellow being present, I found this comment by B$: Hmmm, the plot thickens my friend. There are too many ‘coincidences’ for something Virtuosity related to not be going on with Roshar for me. I see your point with Reason and logic also being major characteristic traits of many radiant spren. We can’t ignore that as many times as it’s mentioned. Like Virtuosity, we know so little about Reason. You may be onto something. I still stand by a fourth primeval steward being present on Roshar with the OP. The evidence is compelling for a Dawn/Light/Truth presence. I’m speculating on how it (or Virtuosity) might have influenced the formation/ creation of spren. I’ve always found it curious that the high storm is composed primarily of wind, darkness, earth in the form of crem in the rain, and lightning/thunder; all of which brings life and renewal to the planet. I love your idea of H + C having potentially paid tribute to the other shard vessels in the physical forms of many spren. That would be a fun nod. I would like to point out a physical connection between Scadrial and Roshar which corroborates there was a group from Scadrial who fled to Roshar in the past… WaT chapter 75: And for comparison to the description of Atium crystal geode on Scadrial, I submit The Final Empire Chapter 32: The similarity of descriptions by B$ is too identical to be a coincidence. Demonstrates physical proof a group of people fled Scadrial at some point in the past to Roshar with an Atium crystal geode, giving an explanation to the presence of Mistspren and Ashspren.

That’s a very interesting observation. I like where your heads at, I hadn’t considered that. The rabbit hole has led me to consider Virtuosity, who either splintered herself near Komashi and reformed, or somehow faked a splintering to hide. How could a shard whose intent is literally artistic expression, appreciation, and mathematics resist a planet like Roshar which was created by Ado centering on art, music, and mathematics? Wat chapter 100: I find it very unlikely Virtousity (who B$ considered naming Artistry) could resist the shards desire to reside in that place. Whose influence would have possibly contributed to the Crytpics formation. I also wouldn’t put it past Cultivation to help conceal another shard on Roshar, she’s sneaky like that. Something else I noticed along this thread of Virousity’s ‘influence’ to support it was in WaT, while Shallan and crew are in the Spiritual Realm and upon arrival in the vision of Renarin’s room, she notices something uniquely odd… We’ve seen those unique colors elsewhere in the Cosmere directly related to Virtousity… A very curious coincidence? Food for thought, it’s fun spinning possibilities with a fellow theorist. Time will tell… Along your line of Mistspren/Ashspren, I read on one of these forums an observation made. If there were going to be two spren representing Scadrial, (Leras and Ati) could there be a better representation for those two? Mistspren even wear a mask exactly like the Malwish. Is it possible a large group of people from Scadrial, at some point in the past, found their way to Roshar and their thoughts/perceptions influenced those two sprens forms? Definitely a fun possibility.

Gotta be Marsh for me.

I gotta go with Dalinar. His journey is epic. Moash/Vyre would be a close second, I feel like we’ll see him have a redeeming Darth Vader moment in the future. If I was a girl, I’d definitely love to play Lift. By far, one of my favorite female characters in SA with all her ridiculousness juxtaposed by her heroism.

Oops, had no idea. Will do! Hoid did it! I’m not opposed those. I mostly read on the kindle for convenience you know. Which order do you relate to the most and why?

Thanks! Chat GPT was able to create it for me with some prompts. Dragons are very cool and I look forward to reading more about the role they to play in the Cosmere. Wayne was one of my favorite characters. His character arc was one of the most poignant and for me. I literally cried at his sacrifice. I feel like a Steel Twinborn would be fun and so powerful. The combo of speed and pushing, very lethal mix. That’s a great question, I’ve always felt The ideals of the Skybreakers resonate with me. Pre-recreance. Seeking justice for those who need it and upholding a standard are worthy aspirations. I also feel the ideals of the Skybreakers are personal in nature allowing one to seek or pursue one’s goals/missions as best as you can by how you perceive it at the time. If that perspective changes, you adjust accordingly. There’s a nimbleness and growth factor built in. The surges of the Skybreakers also appeal to me. Who doesn’t want flight? Division seems so powerful. I don’t think we’ve truly witnessed yet what it is capable of achieving as the Dustbringers haven’t received a lot of attention yet in the story and the Skybreakers have been largely hampered by an insane Herald. Absolutely, yes Thanks for questions!

I’m happy to see someone else has been thinking along these lines as well. I came on here to search if this topic had been discussed. I also can’t help but feel there was or is a fourth “steward” of Roshar left by Adonalsium. Roshar was created around mathematics, music, and art. Four is mathematically symmetrical and obviously important to Adonalsium. Three is not; we have numerous references to that. We also know there were initially four moons orbiting Roshar which Ado had created, with that fourth moon mysteriously (at some point) having crashed into Roshar under Stormseat. Four moons, four primeval stewards. As to an explanation for why Honor would have only sensed three upon his initial arrival: “Worse, the shock wave of our clash surged beneath us, power rushing and vibrating with those terrible tones. I realized too late that there was something strange about this land, beneath this city. Pieces of something fallen. A … fourth moon ? In splinters ? It reacted to us, and I saw people there—new ones, watchers, who had been hidden from me. Those pieces of the sky … they sheltered from the eyes of God? That was not aluminum. It was something greater. Something … that responded to our clash, the ground liquefying in a pattern, dictated by the tone and the strange nature of the place.” If we assume the initial four stewards were represented in the system by the four moons, and that fourth moon was sheltered or invisible to the gods, Honor would have only sensed or seen three. After the arrival of the shards on Roshar, the original stewards were slowly forgotten and weakened. I have felt this is perhaps why the moons began to resonate the light of the shards instead. As to the nature of that fourth steward, I have also thought along the lines of Light or Illumination for the same reasons you’ve outlined. We see so many references to light in the nahel spren or a combination of light and dark(shroud). A Lightweaver uses light to create illusions, shrouding the true nature of something. We have Reachers, also known as Lightspren. They appear in the physical world as little ball of light. I mean, come on, that can’t be a coincidence. Other examples include the inkspren who are black and shrouded unless light hits them and shows a multitude of colors prismatically. Mistspren appear as light appears shimmering through crystal. These are too many indications that as Honor and Cultivation created the nahel spren in conjunction with the tones of Roshar, that Light exerted an influence on those creations, whether Honor and Cultivation were actively aware of it. I’m more and more convinced this has to be the case. This does pose numerous additional questions and mysteries. What was Light/Dawn/Illumination/Truth’s command left by Ado? How or why did the fourth moon crash into Roshar? Was it intentional on Light’s part to fulfill its command, was it the result of the Shards arrival in the system, or something completely unrelated (such as a Dawnshard residing on that moon and being drawn to another Dawnshard in the vicinity? Such as when Rysn and Hoid came into contact with Rysn being pulled towards Hoid.) How does the story of Queen Tsa and the moons relate this steward (if at all?) Many things to ponder… ”There’s always another secret.” ~Kelsier

It is my understanding the clash between Odium and Honor was especially destructive due to the Fourth Moon of Roshar having crashed in that exact spot over Stormseat (Narak). This was again demonstrated later during the first Everstorm when The Highstorm collided with it. As Odium and Honors investiture clashed over Narak, the ensuing destruction was unlike any other time the two storms met. Something under the ground in that location is reacting with destructive power (or perhaps enhancing/force multiplying) the interaction between Odium and Honor. WaT Chapter 120: “Worse, the shock wave of our clash surged beneath us, power rushing and vibrating with those terrible tones. I realized too late that there was something strange about this land, beneath this city. Pieces of something fallen. A … fourth moon ? In splinters ? It reacted to us, and I saw people there—new ones, watchers, who had been hidden from me. Those pieces of the sky … they sheltered from the eyes of God ? That was not aluminum. It was something greater. Something … that responded to our clash, the ground liquefying in a pattern, dictated by the tone and the strange nature of the place.”

Hello! I’ve been using the forums for awhile now during my journey through the cosmere and finally decided to create an account for posting theories, contributing to others’ posts, and becoming more active in the community. I love all things cosmere. The books I have read (at least once, many twice now) Mistborn (The Final Empire) The Well Of Ascension The Hero Of Ages The Way Of Kings Warbreaker Words Of Radiance Elantris Arcanum Unbounded: The Cosmere Collection Oathbringer Dawnshard White Sand Rhythm Of War The Alloy Of Law Shadows Of Self The Bands Of Mourning The Lost Metal Tress Of The Emerald Sea Yumi And The Nightmare Painter Wind and Truth The Sunlit Man Isles of the Emberdark I was a proud contributor to the Kickstarter campaign recently and anxiously awaiting my copy of The Fires of December later this year wherein I will sequester myself and fully devour it. Brandon’s books are my favorite reads of all time and I consider myself a somewhat avid reader. There are very few which have consistently elicited an emotional response as Brandon’s have. I enjoy “nerding” out on the theories and layers of the cosmere. That’s me for now and I look forward to getting to know many of you here. “There’s always another secret.” ~Kelsier