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Still not around to reading Elantris, but you've intrigued me with Adien. However, I can't find a link that explains this topic well enough, so it looks like i'm going to have to write this myself. Disorder =/= disabilty. Don't listen to the dictionary on this, but they aren't even synonyms. It also usually lists disease as a synonym. Thankfully no one's reffered to autism as a disease in this thread, but I have been in conversations where mental disorders were lumped under 'diseases', which I can't begin to explain how wrong that is. See I'm not going to sneeze aspergers onto anyone no matter how hard I try. So anyway, a disability is a 'physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities.' This does not describe autism as a whole. It implies weakness. it's not a disability until the person in question comes up to you and says 'autism stops me from doing something vital, or it makes me feel disabled', for example. A disorder, however, is 'disrupt the systematic functioning or neat arrangement of.' so basically, it's shaking up the status quo. Now, 'disorder' is fine, but even better would be 'condition': 'the circumstances or factors affecting the way in which people live or work, especially with regard to their well-being.' or even simply, a 'neurotype'. I also would like to point enthusiastically in Sazed's direction for a few reasons, a) To remind everyone it's not necessarily a disability and b ) he studies religion obsessively in order to relax. He doesn't try to avoid people, he enjoys the company of his friends, but it does seem to take more effort than study for him.

John Cleese could be TLR. John Cleese could be VIn for all I care.

Alright, I'll word that better Basically you can never guess what's going to happen in Nightvale. Whenever almost anything happens, a listener could easily say 'I have no idea what's going on here.' For example, in an early episode a child is born. That child is nothing but a severed hand. The parents don't mind. You can say This post has been reported for attempting to skirt the rules now. But in a later episode, that severe hand is a character. For anything that happens, the writers have a plan for what's going to happen later on. There's a lot of things like that, such as the Apache Tracker plot arc, and the Angels no one but Old Woman Jose knows exists. Everything has it's own logic in the end. The fun is that there are so many things we can guess about, even if we only understand a very little bit. In fact, that's why there's forums like these. Imagine trying to figure out how the Cosmere works if you had only the strangest out-of-context snippets out of the books.

I instantly thought of Stargate Universe here. On one of the special features someone says 'It's a show, but it feels like we're filming a 20-hour long movie.' It's one show where you never feel like they've skipped out on anything Would any of us even complain during a 20-hour long Mistborn movie anyway? I think it should take at least as long to watch as it does to read.

I instantly thought of Welcome to Nightvale as an example, because it has a very wide gap. In fact, the fandom generally admits that it has no idea what's going on at all. That's what's so great about it, in fact. The script for an episode is almost as if it's a randomly generated sequence of words where anything can happen, but it still has character development and plot arcs, so we can assume (or hope) that the writers have an idea of what's going on beyond the main characters.

If there isn't any wind, an earring will be enough to keep you pinned to the floor. Helium was isolated on March 26, 1895, by Scottish chemist Sir William Ramsay, thanks wikipedia. Aluminium, on the other hand, was isolated in 1826, so we know that Elendel scientists have a few decades to go until the proper technology is available to them. Although, this might not be right, because chemistry in Elendel must be biased towards metals, so finding a gas might take them even longer. Hydrogen, on the other hand, was isolated a century or two before Helium. And remember before the Hindenburg, blimps were filled up with Hydrogen anyway (hence, you know, the Hindenburg). So in AoL, they've probably already got access to hydrogen. But when I read blimps, I instantly wondered if you can fill up a Cadmium mind with helium or hydrogen? You could adjust the altitude doing that. Not to mention the pitch of your voice, and maybe keep a separate mind filled up with oxygen, so you don't die from a lungful of noxious gas.

Wanna-be scriptwriter coming through The Lord Ruler's compounding doesn't need to be explained visually, he doesn't need any part of him glowing like a super-saiyan. Remember, while he's alive, no one has any clue how he's so powerful. He'll be scarier if he just does what he does, without the explanations of 'He's flaring pewter right now to make himself stronger'. What would need a visual signifier is his emotional Allomancy. It's most apparent the day of the executions, if memory serves. Think the Dementors in the Prizoner of Azkaban film. Say we're looking from Vin's spot on the rooftop. As TLR's black carriage draws nearer, the screen begins shifting to monochrome, the edges become distorted. The sound of the crowd fades, until all you can hear is Vin's pounding heart and some deep, ominous thrumming. Then zoom in on Vin's (I want to say brown) eye, beginning to tear up. Then Kelsier in b+w taps her on the shoulder, tells her to put up a coppercloud. The view goes back to normal all at once, accompanied by a stock force-field raising sound effect (You know what putting up a force-field in movies looks like). If you want to play it for drama, keep a slightly grey tint on the edge of the frame, and have Vin say 'I can still feel it.' The rest of the movie? Honestly beats me, Maybe the scenes involving Kelsier teaching Vin will be enough to explain the system. I know someone's going to groan, but I have to propose video-game vision. Not by putting actual health bars over the screen (blood and bruises and screams show health better in movies), but by putting metal-reserves in the corner of the screen during fight scenes. Say instead of beefing up Vin like a CGI Hulk, you just show a Pewter bar going down as she kicks someone, sending them flying across the room. That way it increases the tension when someone's running low, the equivalent of the screen always cutting to the ticking timer when someone's in a race against a time-bomb. Also, anyone played Kirby Squeak Squad on DS? Kirby gains his powers by eating his enemies. The powers went into his stomach, depicted on the bottom screen while the action keeps going as normal on the top. They could try showing the metals actually burning in their stomachs, if they wanted to.

I've always wanted Feruchemy, but mostly for therapeutic reasons. I'd love the feel of being weightless more than the feel of launching myself through the air with coins. I'd love to go as fast as I want, or be as slow as I want, and think as fast as I want, and be as strong as I want. I could eat as much as I want and whenever I want. It would be relaxing and liberating, not to mention flawless memory during exams.

One last post before I swear to never utter another word on FTL until the third trilogy is out. A compounder would still need more than a thousand years of constant compounding, and of course all the steel in the world. One might need more steel than is in the whole Cosmere to get about 0.99c. but then that's just off the top of my head. Wolfram/alpha wouldn't understand my wording. You're getting confused when you hear "unlimited speed". It's unlimited, but that's because it literally requires all the speed in the universe. A parallel example, you're trying to get colder than absolute zero. It's a lot less useful than breaking the light barrier, but hell it seems like a good idea to test it out. Imagine you're a drunk Feruchemist trying to win a bet. For reference it's −273.15° Celsius, or −459.67° Farenheit if your country hasn't gotten around to this century yet. No offence. So you get your hands on all the Brass you can find, and store every last drop of it in an instant. Your friend sticks a thermometer in you, and tells you that you're pretty cold, but not there yet. Also probably dead when your blood crystallised but let's ignore that. So you ask questions, like "Has my feruchemy been watered-down by mixed breeding outside the Terris community?", "Do I need more Brass?", "But I thought I could put in unlimited coldness all at once?" Someone tries to tell you that you can't get any colder, so you try to think of loopholes to prove them wrong. "What if I put myself in a fridge powered by an allomantic engine and then try storing heat?" and "What if I put myself into a time bubble and touch a source of brass outside a time bubble, right on the edge so I can put in a lot more heat in a shorter time?" and yes this is exactly what the FTL theories sound like so far. Turns out that you actually can't get any colder. You're made of atoms, and each atom has to follow a guideline. A very small guideline, because they're only little atoms and they can't remember that much. It goes something like this: "As an atom, I solemnly swear to never go colder than absolute zero, and never go faster than the speed limit." It's not hard. You can not get colder because atoms can not get colder. Reality stops once anything hits that temperature. Reality also stops when you hit the speed of light. Getting colder than absolute zero, and faster than the absolute speed, is having a straight line that is straighter than straight or being slower than standing perfectly still. This explains it very simply I'm sorry if this is response is going overboard, except on a scale of measuring annoying questions this isn't like asking "Why didn't Gandalf use the eagles to get the ring to Mordor instead of walking?", It's more like going to the LotR forums and asking "Why didn't Gandalf use his magic to nuke Mordor into dust?" Sanderson is smart, he does an insane amount of research into his magic systems, it's really great. Like no one in Way of Kings is going to use Lashings to make a black hole and suck in half the Cosmere (We hope). His FTL solution is going to be very well thought out, and is not going to use any kind of speed at all, at least not in the way we think about it, as in using force to displace mass over distances. Unless I'm wrong, and the book which breaks relativity comes with a free solid brick of Handwavium to beat out our brains with. Thank you for your time.

Relativistically, it should never go over. Ever. Not even with magic. Speed is how much distance in how much time. You can not store up negative time, because there isn't any of that to store. However, you can get close, only if he stores up a ridiculous supply of mass while he's doing it. It's probably more steel and iron than there is on Scadrial. Carrying that while running? Imagine the pewter you'd need, too. Oh, and you'd have to live longer than the Lord Ruler to ever have enough speed and strength. That's not counting that an entire planet is a) covered in air that either slows you down, makes you catch fire, or tears you apart hitting the sound barrier, which is... 1/873 500th of the speed of light. Too fast and the air is a brick wall. Not to mention the actual brick walls. or b ) an entire planet is much too short of a runway to get close and my favourite thing to say is c) you can't run in space. What do you think it's made of? To reiterate; slow down. Breaking the sound barrier with feruchemy might not be possible even in the modern-day trilogy. There is a way to go faster than light built in to the metallic arts, but this is not it.

Is Hoid a Terrisman? I've read here that some of his powers are feruchemy-based. He could be from Scadrial pre-ascension, but then isn't he probaby from Yolen?

Don't worry I'm not certain. Although any moment now someone's going to jump in with the appropriate interview quote.

Compunding was the most dangerous thing of all to let out, besides maybe Hemalurgy. To him, stamping out Feruchemists wasn't nearly as important as keeping track of them and ensuring that they never mixed with Allomancy. If word got out of that kind of power, that people could be born with simialar powers as TLR himself, then they would want to experiment with it.

I assumed Pushing or Pulling on Aluminium was akin to doing it to wood. Not even Harmony could bend the rules that much. I still might be assuming too much though.

My interpretation was that it was only a small ring of pure atium touching his skin, but the rest of the bracers were another metal. He didn't need much metal, his other metalminds were just rings and he could still manage his impressive feats. Hell, the smartest thing to do would have made atium bracers with an aluminium outer shell, so they couldn't ever be pulled off. It's not like he didn't have the cash.

Storing or tapping physical speed as you go back and forth across a bubble barrier could do something weird, but I don't see it going FTL. EDIT: In reply to Phantom's post above: You'd need a really big stomach to burn a spaceship. The atoms would get all jumbled up, just like in real teleportation experiments. If you carve your name onto an atium bead, and burn it, another bead won't reform with the same carving. and I'm fairly sure that people inside won't get burnt up too. If they do, they're a very, very bad alloy.

16 sided dice are possible to make. They'd be useful for randomly selecting Misting or Ferring powers. There's probably somewhere you can buy them.

An underground exploration and thieving crew - the Treasure Hunters Canary - for preliminary exploring 3p - an Electrum/Cadmium twinborn. Burning Electrum lets him sidestep traps and warn team mates beforehand, not to mention the combat advantages. Cadmium is for surviving in low-oxygen environments. Carries glass daggers and a pistol. Lightning 3p - Pewter/Zinc twinborn For when you run into another crew, you need a fighter that's stronger, tougher, and has time to carefully think about everything he's doing. As stated earlier, zinc ferrings are good enough fighters even without any extra strength. Also good for carrying all the loot Carries a duelling cane and glass daggers Horseshoe 3p - Iron/Chromium twinborn Someone who can see the location of any metallic treasure, not to mention the luck to find all the best stuff. Good in a fight too, as he can Pull out of the enemy's hands. Especially good for fighting in caves, using metal deposits all around as anchors. I imagine this being someone like Mal from Firefly, always unlucky and getting the gang into barfights when he's storing up luck for a job. I can't decide who to give the last point to, however. I'm thinking a feruchemist storing either Identity or Connection, to work as the con artist and informant. If I had more points spare, I'd give this last person an extra allomantic power, either so he gets hired onto rival teams or works as an inside man for rich houses. EDIT: A Seeker or Coppercloud would work, but my favourite choice for this character must be a Nicroburster. The only metal the team carries, (besides the loot) is one small pistol for the Canary and a few horseshoes and a chestplate for Horseshoe. Not only for rival allomancers, but you don't want huge guns in confined tunnels where the bullets ricochet and the roof might come crashing down.

Sanderson is going to write a Harry Potter fanfiction and make the wizarding world part of the Cosmere. J.K Rowling is a shardholder. Naturally, he's going to include stricter laws into her magic system. Sanderson got tired of Slytherin being the bad guys, hence it's not Green and Silver. Kelsier is in Gryffindor and TLR is Slytherin. Hoid is busy trying to sneak into the forbidden section of the Hogwart's Library. He could even be Xenophilius Lovegood. or maybe Red could represent blood. Hemalurgic Gold steals Feruchemical hybrid powers, that's health, determination, calories or breath. We know that Allomancy must be rare on the Southern Hemisphere, but Feruchemy and Hemalurgy could be popular. Maybe the southern continent has an army of soldiers that rely on gold spikes to steal health and determination. That'd be scary.

You're playing a dice game and you need to roll a 6. You burn atium right before you throw the dice. You see the die roll on to the table, then if it's not a 6, it'll create tons of atium shadows as you decide to cancel all the non-6 timelines before they happen. but then none of that even matters, because you can't even see how you're rolling them, you just see the possible dice outcomes. What do you do? Burn electrum. Then remember that your future self has to give a thumbs-up beneath the table if it's a 6, and a thumbs down if not. So you see a few shadows of your own hand throwing invisible dice, along with your other hand giving the signals. If you see yourself give a thumbs-up, you roll it exactly the way you saw, get a 6, and give a thumbs up. That way, you always get what you want. It'd also work if you have to pick a random card from the deck, but useless if you can only pick the top card. Think "thumbs-up for an ace". I was thinking you could maybe use forging, as in "this die rolled a 6" or "this card has always been an ace" but you'd have to be pretty damnation sneaky or write in really really small font. It might work for Liar's Dice. For drinking games, could you forge yourself to be sober?

Thanks, that makes a lot more sense now.

Mistwraiths guys, as in the non-sentient gloops made of animal bits that were once Terrismen, but lack hemalurgic spikes. "When the Lord Ruler offered his plan to his Feruchemist friends- the plan to change them into mistwraiths- he was making them speak on behalf of all the lands Feruchemists." This sentence throws everything out though. It says Lord Ruler, instead of Rashek. He's making the feruchemists speak. In the well, there's no time to talk to people and wait for a response. Either a) this is momentarily before he takes the well's power, and he's making his fellow packmen speak on behalf of all the land's feruchemists. This definitely means that his uncle wasn't there. It makes clear sense, but raises one question; how would he know that people could be turned into mistwraiths? or B ) This is after he's used the well to reshape the world. He took the knowledge of how to make mistwraiths back with him. also, how does someone decline an offer after you've just turned them non-sentient? Should I go back an read the dialogue between Sazed and the First generation again? I'll go do that.

An easier solution to the hive-mind hemalurgy ship idea; There's this book, the Long War by Terry Pratchet and Stephen Baxter. That has Stepping, a way of hopping through various dimensions. It's limited to sentient minds, as in people and some primates, and whatever clothes they're wearing and what they're carrying. If you want to move a house, you have to get each person to jump holding each brick, or several men carrying a bit of timber. Vehicles can't go through, until they make an AI so powerful it's sentient, and insert it into the vehicle (In this case it was a pretty badass airship). You could create an AI that is able to use Allomancy and Feruchemy. However, it'd need more than just sentience, a potato and the ability to flick a switch, you need the right genetics in Mistborn. Perhaps pump someone's blood through the engines.

Where was the mention of mistwraiths in AoL? I thought I might have missed that.

I was reading AoL, and got up to Wax discussing his and Wayne's heritage. Namely that "nearly a fifth of the originators were Terris". This got me wondering, because the population never seemed that high. So my first question is, did Sazed create more Terrismen by reverting all the mistwraith back into human form? In the final chapter, he does bring back flowers and animals, as well as fixing up human biology, undoing the adjustments to breathe in all that ash. Turning the mistwraiths human is well within his power, it's just not explicitly stated. so then I flicked through all the chapter headings in HoA. The most relevant one is at the beginning Chapter 68: I've read on here that they just have a simple blockage between their Physical and Mental aspects, preventing them from conscious thought. So how did TLR even make mistwraiths to begin with? This was well after the power in the Well ran out. It's just not something any of the metallic arts seem to be able to do. This could mean that there could be made mistwraith on other worlds. also, how did they die? Old age you would presume, but kandra were functionally immortal, and they were made from the same stuff.