Mystfall

Pretty much yeah, everything was going their way till Doc claimed. Stick would’ve been exed and they would’ve been able to win. Doc claiming Hael was Elim ruins that. My theorizing requires Hael to not be exed at the tiebreaker. Doc completely undermines that I just established how we would exe the same people loop 4 as loop 3. Resulting in us winning the loop, if they didn’t NK burnt, we’d just vote Burnt for the Tiebreaker, but suddenly we had reasons to vote Hael, and they decided that they we’re screwed, and they might as well concede Edit: you’re right about me putting a bit too much faith into Doc’s actions “making sense” but I will say I don’t think his actions make sense as an Elim. Unless you think he purposely threw the loop? And the game?

Yeah, we’ll probably disagree on that third. Till then it’ll just be us trying to convince each other. Alright. The Elim team I believe happening is Burnt/Stick/Hael/Coco First off. Burnt: fairly easy one. Hasn’t really denied it, I don’t think I need to explain this one. Stick: First off, we have a Don Gero claim from Drake. And we don’t have a counter-claim. I believe that Drake had Don Gero due to knowing Archer was Postmaster. I don’t think I need to go into this one either as I’m talking to Drake Hael. This is based on Doc’s Mask of Truth claim. Which requires an V!Doc. First off, he shared who PMed who loop one and volunteered that information. He did not need to do that, and since Wonko(the loop 2 postmaster) got NKed, we wouldn’t have discovered that was possible till loop 3(if a Elim didn’t get it) Second, his activity loop 3 matches what he was doing and indicates knowing exactly what would happen D3(something he could not have known, Elim or not). Basically, he gave an excuse for not going for Stone. Which isn’t alignment indicative, either side would do that if they could get a silver mask. However, He PMed Wahr and TUM, and Ash(but Ash died so we don’t care about that). That means that this had foresight(not exactly alignment indicative but it makes is less likely as Elim) Using that PM, he set up a way to communicate with Wahr and TUM and used that to say Hael was village before Hael claimed Captains, meaning he had no way of knowing Stick was outed, or anything like that. He committed to Hael being Elim before knowing anything so it couldn’t have been reacting to him calling out Stick. Further proof to me that Doc’s not Elim Also, we know he had the rupees for this. He also knew that we would block him during the night for it. Revealing that he had a silver mask, basically shuts down any use of having a rez. The only situation where that would be even remotely worth it is if we had 3 Elims already dead by the end of D2(since N2 was when Wahr and TUM received their PMs from him claiming he had the mask) which is only possible if you are Elim, which we both agree you’re not. Fake revealing a scan on Hael would’ve cost them the loop, basically. So unless you’re saying that you’re the Elim and they couldn’t have resurrected an Elim to win, Doc threw the loop right then and there, as soon as he PMed Wahr and TUM. I don’t think I need to point out what a monumentally stupid plan that would be. however, we still need to explain Hael representing the Dead doc accurately. My simple solution, he knew they were going to lose. D3, we went in with the plan to exe Hael. But you claimed that Stick was Elim, and if Hael didn’t share that info, that was pretty much outing two Elims instead of one if he shared the information. So he said that Drake knew Stick NKed him. Sacrificing Stick, but ensuring his own safety, until Doc spoke up, that is. They were going to lose if we exed Hael, so he sacrificed stick, another Elim, making it so we still won, but giving Hael a lot of village cred. Then they could’ve gone into loop three, letting us exe Coco/Twin and Stick, and NKing burnt, once again letting us win the loop, but since Hael had been so instrumental in getting Stick exed, non of us would’ve voted him, causing us to lose the tiebreaker and the overall game. Coco: I’d go into coco, but I’m not as sure anymore, I’ve seen some good arguments for Twin lately, and so I’m gonna have to revisit my opinions on Coco. So I’ll leave it at that for now and see if a Burnt/Stick/Hael/Twin team is even possible

I’ll be honest, I want to trust doc. Everything he’s said explaining his actions makes sense to me, even now. Which makes me want to avoid the question entirely. How do you feel about going Burnt, then Stick, and then Coco

Okay, how well would you say Hael represented the dead doc?

It’s yalls lucky day. I’ll join in 72 hours

It was stated in the write-up

So… did you get NKed by Stick?

Nope; this is special, we have to hit all three Agreed on Stick. I want to go coco or Hael last. we exed twin because it was either Twin or Hael. We got those two based on Ash’s plan because we knew there was at least one Elim in that group three Elims alive, one is burnt. Leaves me, doc, Hael, twin, and coco. We narrowed it down to being an Elim in Twin/Hael. Edit: Ash did assume E!Coco and V!Doc, which I agree with

I had gibdo, and I think we should go Burnt Hael Coco Edit: or stick @DrakeMarshall did you have Don Gero and did you see stick?

burnt figure we should get that out of the way

Yessss, this is gonna be fun. But we should be wise

(It’s good, it’s in line with what he’d probably say) Kieran sighed, “I probably don’t understand it perfectly… but…” He trailed off, uncertain. The group had gone through a lot, nearly everyone had died at some point. He looked over the group. Every one of them seemingly dejected on the floor. What could he say? What could he do? They had to keep going though… He just had to convince to push through, try for another loop… anything

Rp Money is nice Kieran winced inside at Thistles voice. Thistle was hurting more than he’d thought they would. Seeing Amora like that… who knew what would happen next time, but maybe she’d be better Though… none of that mattered if they didn’t make it to the next loop. ”Thistle… about Amora….” He wasn’t sure if he should bring it up, “She’ll be alright once Ap plays the song… she’s not… gone” He wasn’t sure if it was the right thing to say, Thistle’s face seemed emotionless

Kieran pulled himself upwards. The fight had stretched him to his limits, he wasn’t sure if he’d be able to do anymore. Despite that, he still needed to stand. To get up. Because they still needed that mask. Getting swallowed by a fish wasn’t the best place to be, but they could be dead right now, so Kieran supposed it wasn’t the worst situation they could be in. Looking at the many streaks of blood throughout his figure, some bleeding rather rapidly, Kieran summoned his strength. He started cutting off lengths of algae from the walls, planning to use them to bind his wounds. He called out to Thistle “Hey, do you know if this algae will work to stop blood? Or is it deadly or something…” Kieran knew Thistle was having the rough of it. After seeing Amora as a ghost, but it was always best to have something to do, something to distract yourself with. @Doc12

Well, we know there was a Elim in Hael/Drake/Stick, and an Elim in Hael/Doc. Exing Stick solves one, Hael solves two. But that’s not really relevant cause we exed Stick. So it doesn’t matter right now Honestly I just wanted to exe Hael, and I’m tunneling right now. So I’m gonna take a break and hopefully come back in an hour or two and be able to figure out what I think is happening

I still think we should’ve Exed Hael. I think we won either way, but Hael would’ve drastically limited the available Elim Teams

Yeah, Doc is a safe bet. It safeguards against my thing plus prevents rez

Actually… it might be in our interests not to roleblock either. I’m not going to explain why yet, because of reasons, but I’ll explain tomorrow. Also, once again. Unless you need to, we should limit what we say. It can wait till tomorrow(probably) Its a RP day

So… are we roleblocking Hael or Doc

Which he’s not. We’re going to have to deal with the situation eventually. And I believe Doc. It makes sense to me. I’m sorry, but you’re going to have to find someone else to convince I trust Doc. Doc got Mask of Truth, and scanned Hael, who came up as Elim. Unless you can convince me not to trust Doc, I don’t see a reason to switch. From my perspective we win either way

Yeah… and that turned out… well… badly. Yeah, E!Coco could have gone for stone instead, but it’s weird. I’m willing to trust you on this. This entire thing is weird. After looking at Araris and Wonko’s response, I personally have decided that it doesn’t matter. If we exe Stick we win If we exe Hael we win. Also, I think I get why Hael was acting the way he did, btw, we were going to exe him cause Ash said so until he brought up Stick. He knew that whether he spoke up or not. we were going to win the loop. and if he hadn’t the dead doc would’ve called him out on it, so he’s trying to build village cred for next loop

So… I still think we should Exe Hael. Because I’m still of the opinion that Coco is Elim, and one of Doc/Twin/Hael is Elim. Twin is already dead. Which means we may have won already. However, the absolute chaos of Doc/Hael/Stick means that one of Hael/Doc is Elim. I think that Doc is village, all his moves have checked out, his reasons make sense from a Village standpoint. That said, I still think we should Roleblock him tonight just in case. But that leaves Hael as Elim. Yall have gone on about whether Drake and Stick are Elim, and the fact is, it really doesn’t matter. We have a much better chance if we exe one of Hael/Doc. Since I trust Doc, and because most of the votes are on Hael, we should exe Hael. If we somehow decided to Exe Doc, we should Roleblock Hael tonight. I’m keeping my vote on Hael

I give up on understanding how the postman works

That’s because you colored wrong. For one, it’s per cycle, so D2/N2A you only count the unique players in that and also, Doc gets rupees from delivering his own letters